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Life of a Commoner in an anarchist society

Postby Draakonite » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:18 am

If I use incorrect terms please correct me.

I always wondered how anarchist imagine every day live in their proposed society. To make it more figurative, I would post a normal day in my life, and hope that someone can put into detail what would be different in an anarchist society.

I (indirectly) pay for a train ticket and drive to the university. After I attented the lectures i drive back, take my car and drive to work. After work i buy cigarettes at a local gas station, throwing my hands in the air wishing that our politicians bodies turn into dust after they die, because taxes have been raised again. To distract myself, i go with friends to a restaurant and finally, play video games.

My live sounds soo boring... anyway, i hope someone can answer me that question, and give more examples of what would be different, maybe how you would pay taxes, or how you would apply for a job.
Feel free to add, what your particular anarchist movement is, or, if you don't believe in coherent movements, your personal spin of that ideology.
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Postby Allegan County » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:19 am

Draakonite wrote:If I use incorrect terms please correct me.


You can start by using "life" instead of "live".
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Postby New Werpland » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:21 am

You set out driving to the university only to be stopped by members of the Russian Mafia who ask you to buy a brick for 3 thousand dollars, you refuse to pay, swiftly they take a brick out of a bag and crack your skull with it. You die on the street as you don't have the money to pay for Health Insurance.
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Postby Margno » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:30 am

In my anarcho-pacifism, which is different from anarcho-communism and anarcho-capitalism, and with a few assumptions:
You wouldn't pay for your train ticket, you might use a citibike style car rather than the same one every day, cigarette distribution infrastructure would probably be different, you'd probably get them more informally and horizontally from your friends, you'd be less dissatisfied with your politicians because you wouldn't have politicians, you'd still go to restaurants with your friends but you wouldn't pay a bill after, you'd still play video games with your friends, but, and this is the most important part, you'd confront your existential angst head on by burning down whatever building you felt needed to go. (Congress maybe?)
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Postby Ripoll » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:31 am

You keep your head low in your backwards, poverty stricken, under educated part of town. You have no means real currency, no accountability, no safety net, no opportunity, no real incentive to advance or learn.

Just day to day, week by week, no time to care about the future.

A society without leadership or laws isn't a society at all.
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Postby Risottia » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:33 am

Margno wrote:In my anarcho-pacifism, which is different from anarcho-communism and anarcho-capitalism, and with a few assumptions:
You wouldn't pay for your train ticket, you might use a citibike style car rather than the same one every day, cigarette distribution infrastructure would probably be different, you'd probay get them more informally and horizontally from your friends, you'd be less dissatisfied with your politicians because you wouldn't have politicians, you'd still go to restaurants with your friends but you wouldn't pay a bill after, you'd still play video games with your friends, but, and ahis is the most important part, you'd confront your existential angst head on by burning down whatever building you felt needed to go. (Congress maybe?)

And exactly why should the train engineer and the cook work for free? Because they're slaves I guess?
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:33 am

Trains? Video games? Cigarettes? Pfft.
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Postby Draakonite » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:34 am

Allegan County wrote:
Draakonite wrote:If I use incorrect terms please correct me.


You can start by using "life" instead of "live".


The first word already -_-, thank you.

New Werpland wrote:You set out driving to the university only to be stopped by members of the Russian Mafia who ask you to buy a brick for 3 thousand dollars, you refuse to pay, swiftly they take a brick out of a bag and crack your skull with it. You die on the street as you don't have the money to pay for Health Insurance.


So you are from the anarchist brand that wants to abolish laws?

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Postby Margno » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:35 am

Risottia wrote:
Margno wrote:In my anarcho-pacifism, which is different from anarcho-communism and anarcho-capitalism, and with a few assumptions:
You wouldn't pay for your train ticket, you might use a citibike style car rather than the same one every day, cigarette distribution infrastructure would probably be different, you'd probay get them more informally and horizontally from your friends, you'd be less dissatisfied with your politicians because you wouldn't have politicians, you'd still go to restaurants with your friends but you wouldn't pay a bill after, you'd still play video games with your friends, but, and ahis is the most important part, you'd confront your existential angst head on by burning down whatever building you felt needed to go. (Congress maybe?)

And exactly why should the train engineer and the cook work for free? Because they're slaves I guess?

Mostly because all their train engineers and cooks and house builders and engineers and auto manufacturers and farmers are also working for free for them.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:37 am

Risottia wrote:
Margno wrote:In my anarcho-pacifism, which is different from anarcho-communism and anarcho-capitalism, and with a few assumptions:
You wouldn't pay for your train ticket, you might use a citibike style car rather than the same one every day, cigarette distribution infrastructure would probably be different, you'd probay get them more informally and horizontally from your friends, you'd be less dissatisfied with your politicians because you wouldn't have politicians, you'd still go to restaurants with your friends but you wouldn't pay a bill after, you'd still play video games with your friends, but, and ahis is the most important part, you'd confront your existential angst head on by burning down whatever building you felt needed to go. (Congress maybe?)

And exactly why should the train engineer and the cook work for free? Because they're slaves I guess?

Because the car mechanic and the teacher also work for free.
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Postby Draakonite » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:37 am

Margno wrote:
Risottia wrote:And exactly why should the train engineer and the cook work for free? Because they're slaves I guess?

Mostly because all their train engineers and cooks and house builders and engineers and auto manufacturers and farmers are also working for free for them.


What is the mechanism that would stop me from taking more stuff than i need?

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Postby Jamzmania » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:38 am

Margno wrote:
Risottia wrote:And exactly why should the train engineer and the cook work for free? Because they're slaves I guess?

Mostly because all their train engineers and cooks and house builders and engineers and auto manufacturers and farmers are also working for free for them.

But why would they do that?
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:38 am

Margno wrote:
Risottia wrote:And exactly why should the train engineer and the cook work for free? Because they're slaves I guess?

Mostly because all their train engineers and cooks and house builders and engineers and auto manufacturers and farmers are also working for free for them.

What if I don't want to work for free, and I free-ride off of society? Will you use force against me to join your society, which I doubt, or will you use force to get me to stop free-riding?
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:39 am

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Margno wrote:Mostly because all their train engineers and cooks and house builders and engineers and auto manufacturers and farmers are also working for free for them.

But why would they do that?

We've just explained that to you. When you do a favor for a friend, and they do one back for you, neither of you requests payment (I would hope).
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:40 am

Arkolon wrote:
Margno wrote:Mostly because all their train engineers and cooks and house builders and engineers and auto manufacturers and farmers are also working for free for them.

What if I don't want to work for free, and I free-ride off of society? Will you use force against me to join your society, which I doubt, or will you use force to get me to stop free-riding?

The engineer, or the cook, or the mechanic could just deny you service.
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Postby Margno » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:40 am

Draakonite wrote:
Margno wrote:Mostly because all their train engineers and cooks and house builders and engineers and auto manufacturers and farmers are also working for free for them.


What is the mechanism that would stop me from taking more stuff than i need?

In anarcho-pacifism, theft. If you take so much that others don't have enough, they're going to take what they need from you (not recognize your claims to ownership) and there's nothing you can do to stop them.
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Postby Jamzmania » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:41 am

Merizoc wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:But why would they do that?

We've just explained that to you. When you do a favor for a friend, and they do one back for you, neither of you requests payment (I would hope).

Are you expected to be friends with everyone? What's to stop someone you don't know riding your train, getting off, and never repaying you with a "favor"? Are you expected to remember everyone's face so you know which ones gave you back good favors and which ones didn't?
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Postby Jamzmania » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:42 am

Margno wrote:
Draakonite wrote:
What is the mechanism that would stop me from taking more stuff than i need?

In anarcho-pacifism, theft. If you take so much that others don't have enough, they're going to take what they need from you (not recognize your claims to ownership) and there's nothing you can do to stop them.

Except shoot them, perhaps. Or stab them, if guns are not available.
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:43 am

Merizoc wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:But why would they do that?

We've just explained that to you. When you do a favor for a friend, and they do one back for you, neither of you requests payment (I would hope).

But human brains can only extend this relationship to around 150 people...
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Postby New Werpland » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:43 am

Ripoll wrote:You keep your head low in your backwards, poverty stricken, under educated part of town. You have no means real currency, no accountability, no safety net, no opportunity, no real incentive to advance or learn.

Just day to day, week by week, no time to care about the future.

A society without leadership or laws isn't a society at all.


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Postby Teemant » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:45 am

New Werpland wrote:You set out driving to the university only to be stopped by members of the Russian Mafia who ask you to buy a brick for 3 thousand dollars, you refuse to pay, swiftly they take a brick out of a bag and crack your skull with it. You die on the street as you don't have the money to pay for Health Insurance.


You already failed when you said set out DRIVING. There is no driving in an anarchist society. Who is going to sell gasoline in this country?

This would be more like a year 10 000 BC or something.
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Postby Jamzmania » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:45 am

It seems like an anarchist society would simply be controlled by whoever had the most power. Gangs of armed thugs, probably, taking what they wish from the people.
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Postby Margno » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:45 am

Arkolon wrote:
Margno wrote:Mostly because all their train engineers and cooks and house builders and engineers and auto manufacturers and farmers are also working for free for them.

What if I don't want to work for free, and I free-ride off of society? Will you use force against me to join your society, which I doubt, or will you use force to get me to stop free-riding?

I don't, for the same reason that I don't espouse insurrectionary anarchism. It would be a pretty questionable judgement call anyway, as I'm determining for you what the conditions you have to meet to continue existing are.
Some people might feel that you were less useful towards the common good, so in a life or death situation they might steal from you first, but I would actively discourage this, as it creates unfortunate side effects that hurt the economy.
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Postby Draakonite » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:46 am

Margno wrote:
Draakonite wrote:
What is the mechanism that would stop me from taking more stuff than i need?

In anarcho-pacifism, theft. If you take so much that others don't have enough, they're going to take what they need from you (not recognize your claims to ownership) and there's nothing you can do to stop them.


Thats sounds very intriguing, when everyone can decide that the others have too much.

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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:47 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Merizoc wrote:We've just explained that to you. When you do a favor for a friend, and they do one back for you, neither of you requests payment (I would hope).

Are you expected to be friends with everyone? What's to stop someone you don't know riding your train, getting off, and never repaying you with a "favor"?

Probably nothing. But then again, your life isn't over because one guy got a train ride without doing anything. We have people like that in our current society. The world keeps on turning.
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