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Who will be the next superpower ?

The United States of America
160
29%
China
165
30%
The European Union
98
18%
India
57
10%
The Gulf States (Saudi Arabia, United Emirates...)
22
4%
Russia
42
8%
 
Total votes : 544

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Postby Herargon » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:57 am

Seraven wrote:
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But their ground vehicles looks old...

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That, sir, was a beautiful and eccentric composition of poetry you've just wrote.
I couldn't ve said it better myself.
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Yes, you are correct. But also, remember that history has taught us that before every superpower came to 'awaken', there was a moment for them that was dangerous, a sort of 'fall to be able to rise', and before that, a moment of immense glory for them.

China:
- Fall:A property or demographic bubble will burst, very likely. The crisis that follows will create a national identity.
- Rise: Deng Xiaoping's market policy that let their economy be liberalised and grow extremely fast.

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- Fall: The Great Depression
- Rise: Conquest of the last Spanish colonies in Asia and America, co-victory in WWI and WWII

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-Rise: ???
I myself suspect that the Ukraine crisis between the EU and Russia marks this, but I am unsure.
-Fall: The European debt crisis


EU is lacking in military.


and? The Netherlands didn't have a real military neither. Still they were strong.
And yes, the EU does have a military, but it's small. Smaller than 100.000 that for sure.
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Postby Deamonopolis » Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:31 am

African Union around 2100, if everything goes well. (Big if!)

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Postby Roski » Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:32 am

Deamonopolis wrote:African Union around 2100, if everything goes well. (Big if!)


Maybe if the sahara decides to use some lotion, it might.
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Postby Deamonopolis » Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:33 am

Roski wrote:
Deamonopolis wrote:African Union around 2100, if everything goes well. (Big if!)


Maybe if the sahara decides to use some lotion, it might.


Plenty of sunshine to become a major power in solar energy, to say the least.

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Postby Ripoll » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:30 am

Everyone that picks China is clearly misinformed in the realm of geopolitics and international relations.
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Postby Roski » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:32 am

And everyone who picks the United States clearly doesn't realize the US is already a superpower. If your status doesn't change, you can't be the next one.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:36 am

Herargon wrote:
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But their ground vehicles looks old...



EU is lacking in military.


and? The Netherlands didn't have a real military neither. Still they were strong.
And yes, the EU does have a military, but it's small. Smaller than 100.000 that for sure.


Well, what we were lacking in land-forces we made up in having a gigantic fleet.
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Postby Ripoll » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:39 am

Roski wrote:And everyone who picks the United States clearly doesn't realize the US is already a superpower. If your status doesn't change, you can't be the next one.


super power isn't really a thing, but as for global powers, if we are doing it in the way you think we should be, would leave India and only India.

US, Germany, China, Russia, Japan, Canada, Italy, and the UK are already all global powers. this leads very little room for predictions if you can't be the next if you already are. The question should probably be rephrased to "who will be the leading power for the next century"
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Postby Servinia Septemtrionis » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:42 am

Brazil

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Postby Puryong » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:42 am

Constaniana wrote:
Puryong wrote:

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Alright, you've proved you can find bad pictures of the DPRK, the most stigmatised and attacked nation in the world.

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Wow crazy it's as if most nations have shitty aspects to them. :eyebrow:

Besides if the western world traded properly with the DPRK the poorest people in the country would no longer be so poor, the government isn't deliberately making it's inhabitants poor, it's distributing the very little wealth they do have very thinly. I say that the west is much more responsible for poverty in N. Korea than the government. They do all they can to feed their citizens while also having to fund their military as a US backed nation claims sovereignty over their land. The government and people of North Korea are in between a rock and a hard place - but regardless they're achieving amazing things.

What I find amusing is how the media tell you N. Korea is one of the most secretive countries in the world, and then they come out with all the bullshit about mass executions and whatnot. It screams propaganda but nobody cares.
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Postby Cwonation » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:43 am

The next superpower will be X-Ray vision.

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Postby Al Nahar » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:30 am

The EU would never be a superpower, the Arab states in the Gulf have a long way to go to becoming anything close to a superpower, Brazil? No. The U.S. will probably stay for a long time, if anything china or russia. India perhaps but not the worlds largest power.
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Postby Ripoll » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:44 am

Puryong wrote:
Constaniana wrote:
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Alright, you've proved you can find bad pictures of the DPRK, the most stigmatised and attacked nation in the world.

Image
Image

Wow crazy it's as if most nations have shitty aspects to them. :eyebrow:

Besides if the western world traded properly with the DPRK the poorest people in the country would no longer be so poor, the government isn't deliberately making it's inhabitants poor, it's distributing the very little wealth they do have very thinly. I say that the west is much more responsible for poverty in N. Korea than the government. They do all they can to feed their citizens while also having to fund their military as a US backed nation claims sovereignty over their land. The government and people of North Korea are in between a rock and a hard place - but regardless they're achieving amazing things.

What I find amusing is how the media tell you N. Korea is one of the most secretive countries in the world, and then they come out with all the bullshit about mass executions and whatnot. It screams propaganda but nobody cares.


If North Korea wants trade they can stop being so batshit crazy, accept free market reforms, abolish a dictatorship, scrap their nuclear program, and begin negotiating trade agreements with the west so they too can become westernized.
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Postby Ripoll » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:44 am

Puryong wrote:
Constaniana wrote:
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Alright, you've proved you can find bad pictures of the DPRK, the most stigmatised and attacked nation in the world.

Image
Image

Wow crazy it's as if most nations have shitty aspects to them. :eyebrow:

Besides if the western world traded properly with the DPRK the poorest people in the country would no longer be so poor, the government isn't deliberately making it's inhabitants poor, it's distributing the very little wealth they do have very thinly. I say that the west is much more responsible for poverty in N. Korea than the government. They do all they can to feed their citizens while also having to fund their military as a US backed nation claims sovereignty over their land. The government and people of North Korea are in between a rock and a hard place - but regardless they're achieving amazing things.

What I find amusing is how the media tell you N. Korea is one of the most secretive countries in the world, and then they come out with all the bullshit about mass executions and whatnot. It screams propaganda but nobody cares.


If North Korea wants trade they can stop being so batshit crazy, accept free market reforms, abolish a dictatorship, scrap their nuclear program, and begin negotiating trade agreements with the west so they too can become westernized.
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Postby Puryong » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:48 am

Ripoll wrote:
Puryong wrote:Alright, you've proved you can find bad pictures of the DPRK, the most stigmatised and attacked nation in the world.

Image
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Wow crazy it's as if most nations have shitty aspects to them. :eyebrow:

Besides if the western world traded properly with the DPRK the poorest people in the country would no longer be so poor, the government isn't deliberately making it's inhabitants poor, it's distributing the very little wealth they do have very thinly. I say that the west is much more responsible for poverty in N. Korea than the government. They do all they can to feed their citizens while also having to fund their military as a US backed nation claims sovereignty over their land. The government and people of North Korea are in between a rock and a hard place - but regardless they're achieving amazing things.

What I find amusing is how the media tell you N. Korea is one of the most secretive countries in the world, and then they come out with all the bullshit about mass executions and whatnot. It screams propaganda but nobody cares.


If North Korea wants trade they can stop being so batshit crazy, accept free market reforms, abolish a dictatorship, scrap their nuclear program, and begin negotiating trade agreements with the west so they too can become westernized.

"If North Korea wants to trade they can conform to my ideology".

And you say "Abolish a dictatorship" as if the west has any problems doing business with dictatorships? -_- Also, how come the US is one of China's (still ruled by communist party and overtly a dictatorship) biggest customers? Stop acting like there's any morality in the West's decision to blockade tiny socialist nations like the DPRK and Cuba. The goal is to starve them out of existence, whereas it should be to trade them out of poverty.

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Postby Ripoll » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:52 am

Puryong wrote:
Ripoll wrote:
If North Korea wants trade they can stop being so batshit crazy, accept free market reforms, abolish a dictatorship, scrap their nuclear program, and begin negotiating trade agreements with the west so they too can become westernized.

"If North Korea wants to trade they can conform to my ideology".

And you say "Abolish a dictatorship" as if the west has any problems doing business with dictatorships? -_- Also, how come the US is one of China's (still ruled by communist party and overtly a dictatorship) biggest customers? Stop acting like there's any morality in the West's decision to blockade tiny socialist nations like the DPRK and Cuba. The goal is to starve them out of existence, whereas it should be to trade them out of poverty.


You can't do business with a country that has threatened to bomb the west out of existence. Sorry, North Korea isn't a rational nation state, china is.
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Postby Puryong » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:59 am

Ripoll wrote:
Puryong wrote:"If North Korea wants to trade they can conform to my ideology".

And you say "Abolish a dictatorship" as if the west has any problems doing business with dictatorships? -_- Also, how come the US is one of China's (still ruled by communist party and overtly a dictatorship) biggest customers? Stop acting like there's any morality in the West's decision to blockade tiny socialist nations like the DPRK and Cuba. The goal is to starve them out of existence, whereas it should be to trade them out of poverty.


You can't do business with a country that has threatened to bomb the west out of existence. Sorry, North Korea isn't a rational nation state, china is.

If you were being treated the way the West treats the DPRK you would lash out too. They have to show strength because their neighbouring nation claims sovereignty over their land and is backed by the most powerful country in the world.

Also, you can't trade with countries who have threatened to destroy the west? So that would be, uh, large potions of East Asia, most of the middle east and parts of Africa? Uh huh. :eyebrow:

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Postby Ripoll » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:21 am

Puryong wrote:
Ripoll wrote:
You can't do business with a country that has threatened to bomb the west out of existence. Sorry, North Korea isn't a rational nation state, china is.

If you were being treated the way the West treats the DPRK you would lash out too. They have to show strength because their neighbouring nation claims sovereignty over their land and is backed by the most powerful country in the world.

Also, you can't trade with countries who have threatened to destroy the west? So that would be, uh, large potions of East Asia, most of the middle east and parts of Africa? Uh huh. :eyebrow:


except they continue to threaten to destroy the west and their current regime is the one that initiated it. Plus North Korea isolated itself it wasn't the big bad evil "west"

show strength? they're a joke
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Postby Puryong » Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:10 pm

Ripoll wrote:
Puryong wrote:If you were being treated the way the West treats the DPRK you would lash out too. They have to show strength because their neighbouring nation claims sovereignty over their land and is backed by the most powerful country in the world.

Also, you can't trade with countries who have threatened to destroy the west? So that would be, uh, large potions of East Asia, most of the middle east and parts of Africa? Uh huh. :eyebrow:


except they continue to threaten to destroy the west and their current regime is the one that initiated it. Plus North Korea isolated itself it wasn't the big bad evil "west"

show strength? they're a joke

So if the DPRK opened itself up more (as it is doing), you would be happy to be trade partners and to help them get their citizens out of poverty with trade?

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Postby Ripoll » Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:11 pm

Puryong wrote:
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except they continue to threaten to destroy the west and their current regime is the one that initiated it. Plus North Korea isolated itself it wasn't the big bad evil "west"

show strength? they're a joke

So if the DPRK opened itself up more (as it is doing), you would be happy to be trade partners and to help them get their citizens out of poverty with trade?


sure if they cut with the cyber attacks, aggression demonstrations, and war like statements. But it's also a complicated situation with regards to south korea, which I would never suade support from just to trade with North Korea. But freer trade generally helps everyone.
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Postby Puryong » Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:22 pm

Ripoll wrote:
Puryong wrote:So if the DPRK opened itself up more (as it is doing), you would be happy to be trade partners and to help them get their citizens out of poverty with trade?


sure if they cut with the cyber attacks, aggression demonstrations, and war like statements. But it's also a complicated situation with regards to south korea, which I would never suade support from just to trade with North Korea. But freer trade generally helps everyone.

Nothing was proven with regard to cyber attacks, it wasn't the DPRK government for sure. Also do you mean stop aggression demonstrations like the numerous US military exercises in South Korea?

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Postby Ripoll » Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:25 pm

Puryong wrote:
Ripoll wrote:
sure if they cut with the cyber attacks, aggression demonstrations, and war like statements. But it's also a complicated situation with regards to south korea, which I would never suade support from just to trade with North Korea. But freer trade generally helps everyone.

Nothing was proven with regard to cyber attacks, it wasn't the DPRK government for sure. Also do you mean stop aggression demonstrations like the numerous US military exercises in South Korea?


We need to show superiority to deter future North Korean Aggression, but I'm not interest in continuing this debate, anyone who supports North Korea is ridiculous.
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Postby Puryong » Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:30 pm

Ripoll wrote:
Puryong wrote:Nothing was proven with regard to cyber attacks, it wasn't the DPRK government for sure. Also do you mean stop aggression demonstrations like the numerous US military exercises in South Korea?


We need to show superiority to deter future North Korean Aggression, but I'm not interest in continuing this debate, anyone who supports North Korea is ridiculous.

Because nothing makes the people of North Korea more comfortable than seeing the worlds most powerful nation who is allied to a nation which hates you demonstrate its military power on your doorstep. And great, glad you ran out of points to make. :)

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