Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:Roelandia wrote:Like I said before "Free" in the sense of "Free market" has nothing to do with political or social freedom but with economic freedom. "Free" in this notion implies the right to own private property and to produce and sell that property to other individuals without (much) state interference in that proces. The state allows you to benefit from it economically, something the soviet union would never allow because that directly opposes the core of their ideology. Nazi germany couldn't care less that a factory owner got exceedingly rich from building war machines or selling huge amounts of food to (in nazi germany's case) the military. The fact that Nazi germany allows you to get rich makes it a free market economy, regarldess of the fact that they would remove you when you do not agree with their political agenda. It's about solely "free" the economic aspect. All other forms of "freedom" are irrelevant in this discussion. It's not because a nation is repressive when it comes to social and political freedoms that it can not be "free" in an economic sense.
You still haven't justified how a free market can still be considered free with slaves who obviously do not have any economic freedom.
Actually I have, repeatedly. I am merelly talking about the freedom of (in Nazi Germany's case) some people to own and operate businesses. The slaves are actually just a form of cheap labour that will cut the prices of the goods so the people who are "economicly free" can buy them much cheaper. There is nothing more to it than that. Slave labour had been used before in history. As I mentioned before just look at the southern united states before and during the american civil war. It was exactly the same thing. The slaves produced the goods cheaply so the people who were completely free could buy them cheaper. No more no less. Unless you want to argue that the US of around 1860 wasn't a free market economy but I don't think you will because it is very hard to argue against that since the US was built on a foundation of free market principles.
