Man at Walmart attacked for carrying gun with permit

[WestRedMaple]

So you contradict yourself. Why did you make the earlier statement if you didn't really mean it?

Perhaps because I was referring to the opinion he was describing as disgusting, and did not expect someone to make a leap the size of the grand canyon. There are exceptions such as your extreme opinions you listed, but if someone generally has a variant opinion that is not extreme (I.e. the case I was responding to) it is not generally a cause for disgust. I did not say "absolutely no opinions should disgust you" now did I? No, because I was addressing the issue at hand, not speaking about opinions on infanticide and vet funeral protests.

You had the option to specify that a certain opinion shouldn't make anyone sick. Instead, you chose a general claim that opinions shouldn't be considered sickening.

[Gun Manufacturers]

So let me see if I have this straight. The pro-gun nuts are upset because this citizen "took matters into his own hands" rather than "altering law enforcement" and wait for them to do something. Sorry, but isn't that *exactly* the reason that these morons are walking around armed in the first place? So that they can take matters into their own hands rather than alerting police? Interesting that they would hold everyone else to a higher standard than they expect to be held to themselves.

Actually, I think it's more a matter of being upset that someone attacked a person from behind who gave no indication of ill intent, simply for participating in a legal activity.

[New Decius]

I personally believe that only Police, Military, and Federal Personnel should be allowed to carry Firearms.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Perhaps because I was referring to the opinion he was describing as disgusting, and did not expect someone to make a leap the size of the grand canyon. There are exceptions such as your extreme opinions you listed, but if someone generally has a variant opinion that is not extreme (I.e. the case I was responding to) it is not generally a cause for disgust. I did not say "absolutely no opinions should disgust you" now did I? No, because I was addressing the issue at hand, not speaking about opinions on infanticide and vet funeral protests.

You had the option to specify that a certain opinion shouldn't make anyone sick. Instead, you chose a general claim that opinions shouldn't be considered sickening.

When I quote something, that is what I am addressing. I did not mean to be over general, and did indeed mean to only be speaking about the topic at hand. I will edit it for you, and be done with it. Considering I am pulling a nine hour shift while posting on general, I tend to muck up my meaning and wording.

Now if we are done arguing semantics of one frivolous post, May we actually return to the topic?

[Bezkoshtovnya]

I personally believe that only Police, Military, and Federal Personnel should be allowed to carry Firearms.

Why?

[Galactic Russian Empire]

I personally believe that only Police, Military, and Federal Personnel should be allowed to carry Firearms.

As shown by several recent events, I think that several Police forces would do a lot better if they knew they weren't the only ones with guns.

[Gun Manufacturers]

That's quite the generalization, and is quite beyond the scope of this thread.

However, a properly holstered firearm not being fidgeted with is quite different than the other situations you link.

And a black man in the same situation (legally open carrying with a CCW license) would have likely have had police called on him and be promptly gunned down like a zombie rather than having someone feel brave enough to tackle him. Racial stereotypes of the inherent dangerousness of black men are ingrained into modern culture.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/01/22/ ... ery-174441

Watch the video, Daniels is a black man. It looks like you're pulling shit out of your ass, again.

[Gauthier]

And a black man in the same situation (legally open carrying with a CCW license) would have likely have had police called on him and be promptly gunned down like a zombie rather than having someone feel brave enough to tackle him. Racial stereotypes of the inherent dangerousness of black men are ingrained into modern culture.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/01/22/ ... ery-174441

Watch the video, Daniels is a black man. It looks like you're pulling shit out of your ass, again.

You're responding to an old post.

[Servinta]

I personally believe that only Police, Military, and Federal Personnel should be allowed to carry Firearms.

I personally would have no problem with that if we lived in a better world, but as it stands there's a lot of things that these can't defend us from (I.E there is a delay in between when you call the police and they arrive to help you) in which case I feel its warranted for people to legally carry concealed weapons for self defense.

What do you mean federal personal? (Postal workers maybe )

[Bezkoshtovnya]

I personally believe that only Police, Military, and Federal Personnel should be allowed to carry Firearms.

I personally would have no problem with that if we lived in a better world, but as it stands there's a lot of things that these can't defend us from (I.E there is a delay in between when you call the police and they arrive to help you) in which case I feel its warranted for people to legally carry concealed weapons for self defense.

What do you mean federal personal? (Postal workers maybe )

I can honestly see the need for some postal workers to be armed.

[New Decius]

I personally believe that only Police, Military, and Federal Personnel should be allowed to carry Firearms.

I personally would have no problem with that if we lived in a better world, but as it stands there's a lot of things that these can't defend us from (I.E there is a delay in between when you call the police and they arrive to help you) in which case I feel its warranted for people to legally carry concealed weapons for self defense.

What do you mean federal personal? (Postal workers maybe )

Even with legal carry permits, if you arm civilians with a lethal weapon like a gun it just gives way to the possibility of creating more criminals. Everyone would have the capability to Murder, to Kidnap, to Rob, to do anything really.

[Scomagia]

I personally would have no problem with that if we lived in a better world, but as it stands there's a lot of things that these can't defend us from (I.E there is a delay in between when you call the police and they arrive to help you) in which case I feel its warranted for people to legally carry concealed weapons for self defense.

What do you mean federal personal? (Postal workers maybe )

Even with legal carry permits, if you arm civilians with a lethal weapon like a gun it just gives way to the possibility of creating more criminals. Everyone would have the capability to Murder, to Kidnap, to Rob, to do anything really.

Which is why the U.S. is full of legal gun owners regularly doing those things. Wait a minute....

[Servinta]

I personally would have no problem with that if we lived in a better world, but as it stands there's a lot of things that these can't defend us from (I.E there is a delay in between when you call the police and they arrive to help you) in which case I feel its warranted for people to legally carry concealed weapons for self defense.

What do you mean federal personal? (Postal workers maybe )

I can honestly see the need for some postal workers to be armed.

I do too, I have family wwho work in the postal service and they've told me stories of weirdos trying to get their hands on other peoples mail, and I've even animal attacks happening to rural carriers as well.But it would be funny to see them driving around and you know their packing heat.

(makes me smile a bit )

[Servinta]

I personally would have no problem with that if we lived in a better world, but as it stands there's a lot of things that these can't defend us from (I.E there is a delay in between when you call the police and they arrive to help you) in which case I feel its warranted for people to legally carry concealed weapons for self defense.

What do you mean federal personal? (Postal workers maybe )

Even with legal carry permits, if you arm civilians with a lethal weapon like a gun it just gives way to the possibility of creating more criminals. Everyone would have the capability to Murder, to Kidnap, to Rob, to do anything really.

But then we come to the whole "But criminals being criminals will get their hands on guns anyway because, well ... they are criminals.we can't rightly go and un-invent the gun now can we."

[Bezkoshtovnya]

I personally would have no problem with that if we lived in a better world, but as it stands there's a lot of things that these can't defend us from (I.E there is a delay in between when you call the police and they arrive to help you) in which case I feel its warranted for people to legally carry concealed weapons for self defense.

What do you mean federal personal? (Postal workers maybe )

Even with legal carry permits, if you arm civilians with a lethal weapon like a gun it just gives way to the possibility of creating more criminals. Everyone would have the capability to Murder, to Kidnap, to Rob, to do anything really.

Everyone already has the capability to do that. Guns really don't change anything, except allowing law abiding citizens to protect themselves from those that try.

[Tyrinth]

Even with legal carry permits, if you arm civilians with a lethal weapon like a gun it just gives way to the possibility of creating more criminals. Everyone would have the capability to Murder, to Kidnap, to Rob, to do anything really.

But then we come to the whole "But criminals being criminals will get their hands on guns anyway because, well ... they are criminals.we can't rightly go and un-invent the gun now can we."

That's one of my biggest issues with gun control, actually. It's a war on knowledge itself. Any sufficiently intelligent individual can build a firearm with just a little research, so you have to find a way to suppress that kind of knowledge for it to work. That's in addition to the measures needed to crack down on all the ones professionally made or already in existence.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I personally believe that only Police, Military, and Federal Personnel should be allowed to carry Firearms.

I personally would have no problem with that if we lived in a better world, but as it stands there's a lot of things that these can't defend us from (I.E there is a delay in between when you call the police and they arrive to help you) in which case I feel its warranted for people to legally carry concealed weapons for self defense.

What do you mean federal personal? (Postal workers maybe )

The USPS doesn't like us bringing firearms into work, for some strange reason. Also, since it's federal property and we're not law enforcement, it would be against federal law.

[Servinta]

But then we come to the whole "But criminals being criminals will get their hands on guns anyway because, well ... they are criminals.we can't rightly go and un-invent the gun now can we."

That's one of my biggest issues with gun control, actually. It's a war on knowledge itself. Any sufficiently intelligent individual can build a firearm with just a little research, so you have to find a way to suppress that kind of knowledge for it to work. That's in addition to the measures needed to crack down on all the ones professionally made or already in existence.

True, it would require not only a stoppage to a major industry in the civilian market, but to the tradition of hunting, and sports shooting.

[Servinta]

I personally would have no problem with that if we lived in a better world, but as it stands there's a lot of things that these can't defend us from (I.E there is a delay in between when you call the police and they arrive to help you) in which case I feel its warranted for people to legally carry concealed weapons for self defense.

What do you mean federal personal? (Postal workers maybe )

The USPS doesn't like us bringing firearms into work, for some strange reason. Also, since it's federal property and we're not law enforcement, it would be against federal law.

From the mouth of babes, or more accurately the post of a postal worker (I take it that your a postal worker from your use of WE and US in your post)

[Gun Manufacturers]

The USPS doesn't like us bringing firearms into work, for some strange reason. Also, since it's federal property and we're not law enforcement, it would be against federal law.

From the mouth of babes, or more accurately the post of a postal worker (I take it that your a postal worker from your use of WE and US in your post)

For almost 9 years.

[New Arden]

Foster is lucky to be alive ...
also, no one is supposed to know you have it... big FAIL on Daniels' part.

[The Rebel Alliances]

He wasn't waving it around, he holstered it as he got out of his vehicle, and it was concealed when he walked into the Walmart.

Why did he need it there? Oh yes you have to be prepared all the time don't we, we never know when the evil guys will come with those firearms.

I'm glad some businesses aren't idiotic and ban the possession of firearms on their property.

I live in Louisiana and work at a diner. We have a customer who comes in once a week and always carries a gun, obviously others come in on occasion to with guns. Police not included. I have never once felt threatened by anyone coming in my diner with a gun, safely holstered and acting responsible.

In fact, I by working on night shift often, far more threatened by people who have no gun, who come in and will occasionally threaten the staff and start fights with other customers. In fact, just last week I had an unarmed man throw a fit, say he was gonna kick my @$$ and then proceed to throw change at me, drunk obviously, as he left the store. Leaving the site before cops arrived.

Never once, in my years of working at grocery stores or anywhere else, have I ever felt threatened by a conceal-carry customer. In fact, they are some of the most responsible people I get to deal with at work.

[Servinta]

From the mouth of babes, or more accurately the post of a postal worker (I take it that your a postal worker from your use of WE and US in your post)

For almost 9 years.

Then I'll stick with the latter statement "from the post of a postal worker".

PS: Respect for you man, I know you guys have some tough times at the office.

But there's no real way to stop guns from existing outside the for-mentioned agency's in today's world (unless we go all 1984 style quick), so why not simply put more in depth background checks for gun ownership instead of just blatantly banning guns for civilians?

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Foster is lucky to be alive ...
also, no one is supposed to know you have it... big FAIL on Daniels' part.

Not really, he was replacing it in his holster after driving. Not really any massive failure on his part.

[New Arden]

Foster is lucky to be alive ...
also, no one is supposed to know you have it... big FAIL on Daniels' part.

Not really, he was replacing it in his holster after driving. Not really any massive failure on his part.

ok, just a minor fail
the entire story is unfortunate.