Is Human cloning ethically right?

[Paledonn]

Human cloning is an issue that I think will eventually come to great importance, as research is leading there fast. Why should we be opposed o cloning? I think, regardless of religion, science must march onwards. This means that cloning should extend to anything and everything. After all think of the benefits.

[Bundesreich Mittle Frankryk]

An it harm none, do what ye will. Ethics is entirely a Human construct. Unless the clones were inherently bloodthirsty monsters, or were gunna tek our jerbs, there's no objective reason not to do it.

[Paledonn]

An it harm none, do what ye will. Ethics is entirely a Human construct. Unless the clones were inherently bloodthirsty monsters, or were gunna tek our jerbs, there's no objective reason not to do it.

That's what I thought, but apparently a bunch of religious wackos (apart from Raelian wackos) are trying to ban it.

[Bundesreich Mittle Frankryk]

An it harm none, do what ye will. Ethics is entirely a Human construct. Unless the clones were inherently bloodthirsty monsters, or were gunna tek our jerbs, there's no objective reason not to do it.

That's what I thought, but apparently a bunch of religious wackos (apart from Raelian wackos) are trying to ban it.

Moral Authoritarians rarely have good reasons for anything, they just feel the need to always be right and to control others.

[The Conez Imperium]

No I don't think we should clone Humans for scientific research or to fulfill X job.

I'm just imaging a future where Humans would be cloned to harvest their organs...

[Wisconsin9]

The problem right now is that it's nowhere near safe for the cloned individual. There's all sorts of issues we need to work out, and until we do it's about as ethical as seeing if radiation damages genes by kidnapping pregnant women and exposing them to nuclear waste.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

An it harm none, do what ye will.

Precisely. So long as the process of cloning does ot include harm to someone, or the end result ends up harming someone, I see no reason to not let it continue.

And no, citing harm to "America's moral fiber" is not a basis for a ban.

[Wisconsin9]

No I don't think we should clone Humans for scientific research or to fulfill X job.

I'm just imaging a future where Humans would be cloned to harvest their organs...

It's actually fairly likely that we'll be able to clone organs without cloning an entire person.

[The Rebel Alliances]

Human cloning is an issue that I think will eventually come to great importance, as research is leading there fast. Why should we be opposed o cloning? I think, regardless of religion, science must march onwards. This means that cloning should extend to anything and everything. After all think of the benefits.

AS much as I love science fiction and new technologies. There are plenty of ethical reasons to oppose cloning of full human beings outside of religion.

For one, we need to discuss basic human rights. What rights would a clone be entitled to? Are they product? Well, they were made by a private company or government. So, we can simply use them for spare engine parts when a man with enough money needs a liver or something. If they are given human rights, and treated as anyone else, then there is not much need to clone at all apart from 'Cause we can' arguments as cloning a full human being would not pose any real advantage to society as a whole. You simply have another member of society except nature does the same thing just as well.

Also, this could create clone vs non clone issues. As a clone, they can be artificially enhanced, to say, be superior to natural humanity. This could possibly create a whole new era of ethnic strife.

To avoid this giant bombshell of a issue, I say we should keep genetic engineering and cloning strictly limited to organs and other non sentient uses.

[Paledonn]

No I don't think we should clone Humans for scientific research or to fulfill X job.

I'm just imaging a future where Humans would be cloned to harvest their organs...

Or you could just clone the organs without the baggage.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

You simply have another member of society except nature does the same thing just as well.

As a clone, they can be artificially enhanced, to say, be superior to natural humanity.

A bit contrary.

non sentient uses

Such as plants?

[Baiynistan]

It's all very grey and depends on how clones are treated. If they are stillborn and used to harvest organs, I think I'd find it disturbing but could see the merit in it. However, if a cloned person has been made sentient, they should get all the rights and protection that conventionally conceived people get.

[Paledonn]

Human cloning is an issue that I think will eventually come to great importance, as research is leading there fast. Why should we be opposed o cloning? I think, regardless of religion, science must march onwards. This means that cloning should extend to anything and everything. After all think of the benefits.

AS much as I love science fiction and new technologies. There are plenty of ethical reasons to oppose cloning of full human beings outside of religion.

For one, we need to discuss basic human rights. What rights would a clone be entitled to? Are they product? Well, they were made by a private company or government. So, we can simply use them for spare engine parts when a man with enough money needs a liver or something. If they are given human rights, and treated as anyone else, then there is not much need to clone at all apart from 'Cause we can' arguments as cloning a full human being would not pose any real advantage to society as a whole. You simply have another member of society except nature does the same thing just as well.

Also, this could create clone vs non clone issues. As a clone, they can be artificially enhanced, to say, be superior to natural humanity. This could possibly create a whole new era of ethnic strife.

To avoid this giant bombshell of a issue, I say we should keep genetic engineering and cloning strictly limited to organs and other non sentient uses.

Humanity has solved problems like that before, why not again?

[The Rebel Alliances]

You simply have another member of society except nature does the same thing just as well.

As a clone, they can be artificially enhanced, to say, be superior to natural humanity.

A bit contrary.

non sentient uses

Such as plants?

I dont mind cloning plants and animals as much at all. And perhaps some statements in my post were not worded the best way, nor do I mind cloning organs by themselves.

Cloning is a very useful technology and can be greatly used. However, it is one of those technologies that must be strictly controlled. Besides, note my flag, last thing we need is an army of genetically altered super clones to enforce America's will on the world while the rest of the world turns to Battle Droids to save themselves.

[Sanctissima]

Not with today's technology.

As of yet, any cloned humans would have such horrible health defects that they'd likely die within a year of being born.

Perhaps later, in the future, but even then, cloning is inherently unstable. It can't be sustained past several generations (a clone's descendants' genome would simply degrade until they'd either die or be so physically mutated that they'd wish they were dead) and even then, imagine the social ramifications. Wouldn't take long before someone would bring up the topic of organ harvesting.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

A bit contrary.

Such as plants?

I dont mind cloning plants and animals as much at all. And perhaps some statements in my post were not worded the best way, nor do I mind cloning organs by themselves.

Cloning is a very useful technology and can be greatly used. However, it is one of those technologies that must be strictly controlled. Besides, note my flag, last thing we need is an army of genetically altered super clones to enforce America's will on the world while the rest of the world turns to Battle Droids to save themselves.

I said plants. Animals are sentient. They are able to experience sensations.

I would doubt that timeline would mix in. It was in a galaxy far far away. Let's keep it that way.

[Paledonn]

A bit contrary.

Such as plants?

I dont mind cloning plants and animals as much at all. And perhaps some statements in my post were not worded the best way, nor do I mind cloning organs by themselves.

Cloning is a very useful technology and can be greatly used. However, it is one of those technologies that must be strictly controlled. Besides, note my flag, last thing we need is an army of genetically altered super clones to enforce America's will on the world while the rest of the world turns to Battle Droids to save themselves.

A clone army to enforce America's will does sound nice...

[United Russian Soviet States]

It is not ethical.

[Bundesreich Mittle Frankryk]

It is not ethical.

Care to explain why?

[Wisconsin9]

It is not ethical.

Although I'm guessing your belief is based on it being an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, or some such shit.

[The Rebel Alliances]

I dont mind cloning plants and animals as much at all. And perhaps some statements in my post were not worded the best way, nor do I mind cloning organs by themselves.

Cloning is a very useful technology and can be greatly used. However, it is one of those technologies that must be strictly controlled. Besides, note my flag, last thing we need is an army of genetically altered super clones to enforce America's will on the world while the rest of the world turns to Battle Droids to save themselves.

I said plants. Animals are sentient. They are able to experience sensations.

I would doubt that timeline would mix in. It was in a galaxy far far away. Let's keep it that way.

I know you said plants. I just added in animals. Despite them being alive we do harvest them for food, clothes ect.

And the Clone Army was a joke. If that did not get through.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

It is not ethical.

Although I'm guessing your belief is based on it being an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, or some such shit.

So is homosexuality, transgenders, and everything else.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I think I'd really love to see an OP on topics like this that was well thought out, contained say, links and sources to back up or illustrate the topic at hand, had some more discussion points than yes/no, and just overall gave us more to think about than quick-shot from-the-hip post answers.

Just once, man ... Just ... once ... >_o

[The Conez Imperium]

No I don't think we should clone Humans for scientific research or to fulfill X job.

I'm just imaging a future where Humans would be cloned to harvest their organs...

Or you could just clone the organs without the baggage.

That's a good point then. Funny never thought about that. I redact my previous decision. I still don't think we should be cloning.

[MERIZoC]

Neither right nor wrong. Though not something we need to, or should, be doing.