Leftist Michael Moore calls snipers "cowards"

[The balkens]

That last one just sounds unnecessary even for them.
I mean, those boys would have died of boredom anyways waiting for somebody to actually score.

Whereas the American military has invaded more than 10 sovereign states.

When and where? IN the last 10 years?

[Uxupox]

That last one just sounds unnecessary even for them.
I mean, those boys would have died of boredom anyways waiting for somebody to actually score.

Whereas the American military has invaded more than 10 sovereign states.

Please elaborate.

[The Two Jerseys]

I fail to see what's so cowardly about being alone in an isolated position that's going to be targeted with every sort of weapon imaginable as soon as you're spotted.

That really takes some balls.

[Benuty]

I fail to see what's so cowardly about being alone in an isolated position that's going to be targeted with every sort of weapon imaginable as soon as you're spotted.

That really takes some balls.

Except when your a bigoted bully (referring to the actual sniper).

[Herskerstad]

I fail to see what's so cowardly about being alone in an isolated position that's going to be targeted with every sort of weapon imaginable as soon as you're spotted.

That really takes some balls.

Except when your a bigoted bully (referring to the actual sniper).

Oh, are you referring to Chris Kyle? Do you have something to substantiate that claim with?

[The balkens]

Except when your a bigoted bully (referring to the actual sniper).

Oh, are you referring to Chris Kyle? Do you have something to substantiate that claim with?

Texas

[Constantinopolis]

What is it with Americans and their need to glorify professional killers?

Killing people is killing people. Chris Kyle was not "saving lives". He was killing people. That was his job. He was a trained killer. Stop whitewashing what soldiers do.

Me personally, I think Moore is a leftist piece of shit who has continually shown disrespect in the past for the military. Chris Kyle was a hero who dedicated his life to saving others even when he retired from the military.

Whoa, you call that disrespect?

No no, see, "disrespect" would be saying that Chris Kyle was a dumb, murderous puppet on a string serving the will of corrupt politicians and corporate CEOs who laugh at gullible patriotic idiots behind their backs. "Disrespect" would be saying that Chris Kyle is little better than the human equivalent of a drone. That would be disrespect.

[The Grey Wolf]

What is it with Americans and their need to glorify professional killers?

Don't act like America is the only nation that glorifies soldiers.

[Herskerstad]

Oh, are you referring to Chris Kyle? Do you have something to substantiate that claim with?

Texas

Ah, and that makes HIM the bigot in that case? Great rationale.

[Udinia]

Another white liberal capitalist flaunting his edgy opinion. Michael Moore is an idiot, he wouldn't last a day in the military.

Any and every military should be made extinct.

The military will always be necessary, war will always be a reality.

[New Hampshire Republic]

Though I disagree with what the military is doing in the Middle East, I wouldn't call snipers cowards.

Cowardice is calling others cowards while sitting your fatass down on your expensive sofa.

[Constantinopolis]

What is it with Americans and their need to glorify professional killers?

Don't act like America is the only nation that glorifies soldiers.

It's not. By world standards, American glorification of soldiers is not that unusual.

By the standards of Western culture, however, it's downright surreal. It sounds like something coming out of WW1-era Europe.

[MERIZoC]

Any and every military should be made extinct.

The military will always be necessary, war will always be a reality.

….Based on what, exactly?

[Constantinopolis]

Though I disagree with what the military is doing in the Middle East, I wouldn't call snipers cowards.

Cowardice is calling others cowards while sitting your fatass down on your expensive sofa and tweeting about how you think another group of people are cowards as a whole.

Objectively speaking, of course snipers are not cowards.

But, objectively speaking, terrorists are not cowards either. Doesn't stop people from calling them that anyway - presumably because they can't think of a more accurate insult.

[New Hampshire Republic]

Though I disagree with what the military is doing in the Middle East, I wouldn't call snipers cowards.

Cowardice is calling others cowards while sitting your fatass down on your expensive sofa and tweeting about how you think another group of people are cowards as a whole.

Objectively speaking, of course snipers are not cowards.

But, objectively speaking, terrorists are not cowards either. Doesn't stop people from calling them that anyway - presumably because they can't think of a more accurate insult.

Never said that terrorists were cowards... they have a principle that they are willing to die for. That doesn't mean they aren't dickish, it just means that they're brave dicks.

[Uxupox]

The military will always be necessary, war will always be a reality.

….Based on what, exactly?

On history most likely.

[Urran]

Moore is a biggot. I'm not even going to pretend that I could pull the trigger on another human being, I think I'd almost rather die, but I don't think one should say they know for certain what they would do if put in a situation where you had to make that choice.

Yes, he was a sniper, he saved the lives of Americans and civilians. It's a nasty job, war and should never be glorified, but those that put their lives on the line for others should be remembered and treated with respect and honor. The terrorists he killed were radicals that killed women, children, or anyone else that stood in their way and used children and pregnant women as suicide bombers. I cannot imagine what he had to be through and I'd really love to see his critics try doing half of what he did.

[New Hampshire Republic]

The military will always be necessary, war will always be a reality.

….Based on what, exactly?

Human nature?

Ever picked up a copy of Lord of the Flies?

[Napkiraly]

….Based on what, exactly?

Human nature?

Ever picked up a copy of Lord of the Flies?

Ever read a psychology study that showed humans are more prone to cooperativeness?

[Constantinopolis]

Objectively speaking, of course snipers are not cowards.

But, objectively speaking, terrorists are not cowards either. Doesn't stop people from calling them that anyway - presumably because they can't think of a more accurate insult.

Never said that terrorists were cowards... they have a principle that they are willing to die for. That doesn't mean they aren't dickish, it just means that they're brave dicks.

Agreed. Terrorists can be accurately called murderers, fanatics, war criminals and so on. But cowards? No.

But just to clarify, I wasn't saying that you ever called terrorists cowards. I was pointing out that the word "coward" often gets thrown around as a generic insult against various combatants that people don't like, even when it really doesn't fit, at all.

[New Hampshire Republic]

Human nature?

Ever picked up a copy of Lord of the Flies?

Ever read a psychology study that showed humans are more prone to cooperativeness?

By how much of a percentile?

[Tule]

The military will always be necessary, war will always be a reality.

….Based on what, exactly?

The fact that we live in a world with different cultures living in different areas with limited resources.

Imagine two men on a life raft with only enough food and water to sustain one of them until rescue.
It's perfectly reasonable for one to attempt to kill the other, and perfectly justifiable for the other to fight back and kill the attacker.

A lot of societies in the world are in the same position as the two men.

[MERIZoC]

….Based on what, exactly?

The fact that we live in a world with different cultures living in different areas with limited resources.

Imagine two men on a life raft with only enough food and water to sustain one of them until rescue.
It's perfectly reasonable for one to attempt to kill the other, and perfectly justifiable for the other to fight back and kill the attacker.

A lot of societies in the world are in the same position as the two men.

Cool. That doesn't support the notion that people will always fight.

[Gauthier]

The fact that we live in a world with different cultures living in different areas with limited resources.

Imagine two men on a life raft with only enough food and water to sustain one of them until rescue.
It's perfectly reasonable for one to attempt to kill the other, and perfectly justifiable for the other to fight back and kill the attacker.

A lot of societies in the world are in the same position as the two men.

Cool. That doesn't support the notion that people will always fight.

Or more likely, the life raft gets punctured in the struggle and they're both fucked anyways.

[Constantinopolis]

The fact that we live in a world with different cultures living in different areas with limited resources.

Imagine two men on a life raft with only enough food and water to sustain one of them until rescue.
It's perfectly reasonable for one to attempt to kill the other, and perfectly justifiable for the other to fight back and kill the attacker.

A lot of societies in the world are in the same position as the two men.

Cool. That doesn't support the notion that people will always fight.

More importantly, however, Tule's analogy is not actually valid. The two men on the life raft are fighting for survival, but our wars haven't been about survival in a long time.

There are "limited resources" in the world in the sense that it's not possible for all people to live like millionaires, but it's entirely possible for all people to live comfortable lives.