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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:52 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Let me be a little clearer on my admiration for those in the military. I admire them because it is something not everyone can do, it requires extensive training, discipline regimens, physical training etc.

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That's Luis Suárez. In case you aren't aware he's a professional footballer, something not everyone can do, something which requires no small amount of training and discipline. He's well known for biting other players, diving, and racially abusing Patrice Evra. I assume you don't admire him, yes? Can you thus follow my reasoning that doing something difficult does not make one a good person?

I admire them similarly to how one would admire A doctor or lawyer. They are difficult professions to go into, and thus those that do, earn my respect. You can scoff and say "well some soldiers are cowards" all you wish,

And I shall, because it's true, and because people just keep on insisting that soldiers are all brave, courageous heroes.
but it does take a certain kind of person to volunteer to lay their lives on the line almost every day.

First, not all soldiers do that. Second, of those that do, some never have the courage of their convictions tested. Third, of those that do, some find that they are not willing to lay down their lives.

I admire the fact he was able to be counted among the few that take sports to such a professional level yes, do I admire the rest? Absolutely not. Same applies to military people in general. I admire the fact they got in, but there are many people that do acts unworthy of admiration. Of course not all soldiers are heroes and some do very abusive, awful things. THOSE soldiers I no longer respect or admire of course, but the rest, the general soldier who signed up and got in and do not commit such acts, I still greatly admire.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:56 pm

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Kubra wrote: Maybe, but saying that bombing Dresden to the ground was necessary to defeat the nazi's is pretty Kurzy.

Dude, Dresden was a transportation and industrial heartland of the Third Reich. Air campaigns like that were vital for the war effort.
Late-war fearmongering. A defeated enemy is so before it declares itself one, and the case of the third reich in 1945 is a textbook case of such, lacking both its maritime trade routes and cash colonies.

The Grey Wolf wrote:I wouldn't say these actions were right, but they were practical, necessary to ending the war as quickly as possible, thus abating casualties.

United Marxist Nations is a Marxist and Russophile, you can expect this.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:00 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
I wouldn't say these actions were right, but they were practical, necessary to ending the war as quickly as possible, thus abating casualties.

United Marxist Nations is a Marxist and Russophile, you can expect this.

I am, although I pretty much love learning about all cultures and history, except the Inuit, because that shit is boring.


Which is why I find it baffling we have yet to tear each other apart whenever we meet in threads.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:03 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:I am, although I pretty much love learning about all cultures and history, except the Inuit, because that shit is boring.


Which is why I find it baffling we have yet to tear each other apart whenever we meet in threads.

Because you're a Grey Wolf, which lives in a completely different environment than the one which I inhabit.
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Postby The balkens » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:05 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Which is why I find it baffling we have yet to tear each other apart whenever we meet in threads.

Because you're a Grey Wolf, which lives in a completely different environment than the one which I inhabit.

Ideology also seems to come to mind, I am sure that i can call UMN a friend outside of the threads that we debate in. Sure, we have differing opinions on what is justified in certain cases but i feel he is a good person. also is the fact that yes, he is a russophile, and i am certainly not.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:07 pm

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United Marxist Nations wrote:Because you're a Grey Wolf, which lives in a completely different environment than the one which I inhabit.

Ideology also seems to come to mind, I am sure that i can call UMN a friend outside of the threads that we debate in. Sure, we have differing opinions on what is justified in certain cases but i feel he is a good person. also is the fact that yes, he is a russophile, and i am certainly not.

Inside of those threads though, good god.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:09 pm

Tule wrote:The vast majority of soldiers killed in modern combat never see their killer's face. Killing the enemy from a safe distance and not getting noticed doing it is how you win wars these days. It's nothing new.

Tank crews are killed by other tank crews 2 kilometers away, pilots rarely see the face of the people they bomb or shoot down and artillerymen don't even fire directly at their victims, they fire into the air and wait for the shells to hit their coordinates.

This is a good development. It eases the psychological burden of killing other people and removes more people from the front line.


If anything, snipers are one of the few combatants that still actually see the faces of the people they kill.
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Postby The balkens » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:10 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
The balkens wrote:Ideology also seems to come to mind, I am sure that i can call UMN a friend outside of the threads that we debate in. Sure, we have differing opinions on what is justified in certain cases but i feel he is a good person. also is the fact that yes, he is a russophile, and i am certainly not.

Inside of those threads though, good god.


As if Frederick the great and Suvorov faced off.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:16 pm

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United Marxist Nations wrote:Inside of those threads though, good god.


As if Frederick the great and Suvorov faced off.

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"Oh my god, he just doubled down."
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Postby The balkens » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:24 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
The balkens wrote:
As if Frederick the great and Suvorov faced off.

*Marshal UMN Suvorov and Marshal KutuShof have carefully laid out their plan of attack, to win the Ukraine thread once and for all; however, suddently, Cavalry Officer Lytt springs to life:

"Alright, chums, let's do this! LYTTROY JENKINS!

*Shof and UMN go to TG*

"Oh my god, he just doubled down."
"Keep a watch on the moderation forum; hopefully Korva won't see it."


You two are the somewhat more reasonable ones. :p

Actually, i favor you. and only you.

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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:27 pm

Moore is just butthurt that we got our asses kicked Early Sunday in MW2.

I get it more, the Snipers were being bitches, but come on man, don't do this.

Have some pride.

Maybe he's that one guy I pwned last night after my 22 victory streak.

I dunno.....I dunno, I think Moore is just butthurt.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:32 pm

My uncle killed by sniper in WW2. We were taught snipers were cowards. Will shoot u in the back. Snipers aren't heroes. And invaders r worse
-Michael Moore on twitter


Just thought the whole quote would put things in perspective.

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/seth-rogen-mi ... 00176.html
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Postby Benuty » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:33 pm

-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:Moore is just butthurt that we got our asses kicked Early Sunday in MW2.

I get it more, the Snipers were being bitches, but come on man, don't do this.

Have some pride.

Maybe he's that one guy I pwned last night after my 22 victory streak.

I dunno.....I dunno, I think Moore is just butthurt.

No they aren't...they are made that a castrated version of the actual persons life is available in theaters.
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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:33 pm

Why is it alright to insult Isis, however people who call out the American military (who have killed more people in their history) are instantly bitches/butthurt/trolling/idiots?
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Postby Kubra » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:33 pm

Benuty wrote:
My uncle killed by sniper in WW2. We were taught snipers were cowards. Will shoot u in the back. Snipers aren't heroes. And invaders r worse
-Michael Moore on twitter


Just thought the whole quote would put things in perspective.

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/seth-rogen-mi ... 00176.html
man stuff like that is the reason I can't bring myself to hate seth rogen
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:34 pm

Benuty wrote:
My uncle killed by sniper in WW2. We were taught snipers were cowards. Will shoot u in the back. Snipers aren't heroes. And invaders r worse
-Michael Moore on twitter


Just thought the whole quote would put things in perspective.

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/seth-rogen-mi ... 00176.html


A more solid argument would be that the film just shows what a self-aggrandizing douche Kyle was. Jesse Ventura's successful defamation suit against his estate kind of highlights that.
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Postby The balkens » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:34 pm

Kubra wrote:
Benuty wrote:
Just thought the whole quote would put things in perspective.

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/seth-rogen-mi ... 00176.html
man stuff like that is the reason I can't bring myself to hate seth rogen


Seth Rogan actually has some talent.

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The balkens wrote:
Kubra wrote: man stuff like that is the reason I can't bring myself to hate seth rogen


Seth Rogan actually has some talent.
he does, I think he's really funny, and I hope he never works with James Franco EVER AGAIN.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:37 pm

Of-course Clint Eastwood directed this movie...damn Dirty Harry how far from the rabbit hole you gone.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:37 pm

Benuty wrote:Of-course Clint Eastwood directed this movie...damn Dirty Harry how far from the rabbit hole you gone.


You're asking this about the same Clint Eastwood who argued with an empty chair?
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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:38 pm

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Benuty wrote:Of-course Clint Eastwood directed this movie...damn Dirty Harry how far from the rabbit hole you gone.


You're asking this about the same Clint Eastwood who argued with an empty chair?

That chair talked a lot more sense than the man it was supposed to represent ever did.
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The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
You're asking this about the same Clint Eastwood who argued with an empty chair?

That chair talked a lot more sense than the man it was supposed to represent ever did.


Because he never did *ANYTHING* right obviously.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:41 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Which is why I find it baffling we have yet to tear each other apart whenever we meet in threads.

Because you're a Grey Wolf, which lives in a completely different environment than the one which I inhabit.


Despite our politics, we're simply too damn similar (in terms of interests and social views) for me to hate you.

You're also the reason I discovered HoI3.
The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:Why is it alright to insult Isis, however people who call out the American military (who have killed more people in their history) are instantly bitches/butthurt/trolling/idiots?


Well, the American military has been around much longer than ISIS, and fought in two World Wars. ISIS, on the other hand, is a relatively recent organization that has stoned a woman to death, killed alleged homosexuals, and slaughtered teenage boys who *gasp* watched a soccer match (what have the youth of today come to?)

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:44 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
The greater Vakolicci Haven wrote:Why is it alright to insult Isis, however people who call out the American military (who have killed more people in their history) are instantly bitches/butthurt/trolling/idiots?


Well, the American military has been around much longer than ISIS, and fought in two World Wars. ISIS, on the other hand, is a relatively recent organization that has stoned a woman to death, killed alleged homosexuals, and slaughtered teenage boys who *gasp* watched a soccer match (what have the youth of today come to?)

That last one just sounds unnecessary even for them.
I mean, those boys would have died of boredom anyways waiting for somebody to actually score.
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Postby The greater Vakolicci Haven » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:55 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:

Well, the American military has been around much longer than ISIS, and fought in two World Wars. ISIS, on the other hand, is a relatively recent organization that has stoned a woman to death, killed alleged homosexuals, and slaughtered teenage boys who *gasp* watched a soccer match (what have the youth of today come to?)

That last one just sounds unnecessary even for them.
I mean, those boys would have died of boredom anyways waiting for somebody to actually score.

Whereas the American military has invaded more than 10 sovereign states.
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