Leftist Michael Moore calls snipers "cowards"

[Ifreann]

I actually don't really see what the problem is here, or how that relates to "leftism." it's actually understandable, one of Moore's family members was killed by a sniper, the poor guy probably didn't even see it coming, people have thought negatively of an occupation for less.

The problem is a combination of Michael Moore and soldier worship.

[Dragonia Re Xzua]

So, he's currently semi-relevant? Dear God, please keep him away from microphones, television sets, and anything regarding media. We REALLY don't need the Miley Cyrus of pseudo-satire politics anymore.

Al Sharpton's already killed that role. We can let Moore be his sidekick.

Ah, but who will be the SIDEKICK'S sidekick?? ...... I get the feeling Alex Jones might be lurking around the corner.

[Kravanica]

I seriously doubt Moore gives a shit about his uncle. This is about him deliberately attacking an American hero in order to keep himself relevant.

Truly, being a leftist, there is no way he could have compassion for family members.

Get over yourself.

Okay, I get that I used the word "leftist" a lot in the OP but I think by this point this has little to do with him being a leftist. It has to do with him being a disrespectful asshole.

So, no, you get over yourself.

[Kubra]

Yes, and? The bombing of Dresden, of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, etc. Hardly defensive tactics.

You can't just be defensive, the Nazis had to be destroyed on their home territory as well.

Oh lol I didn't know you were an anti-Deutsche
Civilian casualties are of course unavoidable in war, but cmon bro these acts were purposely directed at civilian populations.

[Kravanica]

You can't just be defensive, the Nazis had to be destroyed on their home territory as well.

Oh lol I didn't know you were an anti-Deutsche
Civilian casualties are of course unavoidable in war, but cmon bro these acts were purposely directed at civilian populations.

Strawman off the starboard side!

Being anti-Nazi doesn't automatically make you anti-Deutsche. And what were we supposed to do? Just wait for them to come invade us?

[Kravanica]

I actually don't really see what the problem is here, or how that relates to "leftism." it's actually understandable, one of Moore's family members was killed by a sniper, the poor guy probably didn't even see it coming, people have thought negatively of an occupation for less.

The problem is a combination of Michael Moore and soldier worship.

Explain.

[Kubra]

Oh lol I didn't know you were an anti-Deutsche
Civilian casualties are of course unavoidable in war, but cmon bro these acts were purposely directed at civilian populations.

Strawman off the starboard side!

Being anti-Nazi doesn't automatically make you anti-Deutsche. And what were we supposed to do? Just wait for them to come invade us?

Maybe, but saying that bombing Dresden to the ground was necessary to defeat the nazi's is pretty Kurzy.

[Communist Volkstrad]

I'd say snipers aren't cowards.
There's a fine line between cowardice and cleverness.
I don't think anyone could call someone like Simo Häyhä a coward.

[United Marxist Nations]

You can't just be defensive, the Nazis had to be destroyed on their home territory as well.

Oh lol I didn't know you were an anti-Deutsche
Civilian casualties are of course unavoidable in war, but cmon bro these acts were purposely directed at civilian populations.

Dresden was an industrial target which contributed to the Nazi War Effort.

[Gauthier]

I'd say snipers aren't cowards.
There's a fine line between cowardice and cleverness.
I don't think anyone could call someone like Simo Häyhä a coward.

It's the same reason people using crossbows when they were invented were called cowards. Being able to kill their enemies while being relatively safe from retribution.

[Ifreann]

The problem is a combination of Michael Moore and soldier worship.

Explain.

Some people are of the opinion that soldiers are all heroes, and thus take great offence at any suggestion to the contrary.

[The balkens]

Oh lol I didn't know you were an anti-Deutsche
Civilian casualties are of course unavoidable in war, but cmon bro these acts were purposely directed at civilian populations.

Dresden was an industrial target which contributed to the Nazi War Effort.

And by producing little nazi babies.

*Nods*

[Dragonia Re Xzua]

Oh lol I didn't know you were an anti-Deutsche
Civilian casualties are of course unavoidable in war, but cmon bro these acts were purposely directed at civilian populations.

Strawman off the starboard side!

Being anti-Nazi doesn't automatically make you anti-Deutsche. And what were we supposed to do? Just wait for them to come invade us?

I don't think he understands the concept of "casualties of war." Civilians will always be killed sooner or later during wartime. Is it sad? Yes. Is it sad that they can be target intentionally? Yes. Is it sad to moan and groan on how something inevitable should not happen? Hell yes, you could have something better to do.

[United Marxist Nations]

Dresden was an industrial target which contributed to the Nazi War Effort.

And by producing little nazi babies.

*Nods*

Dresden was actually a pretty good sized industrial area, it was also a railway hub for Nazi industry.

[Meryuma]

Michael Moore isn't much of a leftist.

Kinda, yeah. War should be hard and it should fuck people up. It gives a little more incentive for peace than the forever war type bullshit you seem to think is so grand.

Next time a traumatized soldier shoots up a place, I'll be sure to consider this.

Pretty sure have post-traumatic stress from exposure to violence would make you more opposed to violence in most cases. People with mental illnesses are more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators of it.

Think of the sniper as a real life hacker in an FPS. If you were playing Battlefield but someone modded it so that he could hide thousands of meters from you and still aim and hit you with a scoped gun instead of confronting you heads on with a fair weapon...

I think you know where I'm going...

Plenty of shooting games already have snipers though...

Quit applying Game of Thrones to everything, there is no such thing as "honor" in warfare, chivalry is a lie, it didn't exist.

Hell, chivalry is a lie in Game of Thrones.

[The balkens]

And by producing little nazi babies.

*Nods*

Dresden was actually a pretty good sized industrial area, it was also a railway hub for Nazi industry.

And killing civilians is an added bonus?

Contrary to popular belief but War, no matter against an enemy so vile as the Nazis, has rules.

[Immoren]

Sometimes you just have to look at the big picture. Yes, some Allies, especially some of the Soviets, we're total bastards. And yes, many Wehrmacht soldiers werent nasty Nazis, but the big picture is that if nobody did anything to stop the Nazis, they would have murdered there way through Europe and eventually, the rest of the world.

Yes, and? The bombing of Dresden, of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, etc. Hardly defensive tactics.

Offence is best defence. *nods*

[The Grey Wolf]

I actually don't really see what the problem is here, or how that relates to "leftism." it's actually understandable, one of Moore's family members was killed by a sniper, the poor guy probably didn't even see it coming, people have thought negatively of an occupation for less.

I seriously doubt Moore gives a shit about his uncle. This is about him deliberately attacking an American hero in order to keep himself relevant.

Michael Moore was born around nine years after WW2 ended. It's very possible he had family members who had not gotten over his uncle's death by the time he was born. While Moore isn't my favorite (understatement) writer, calling him an attention whore is unwarranted, at least in this case.

[United Marxist Nations]

Dresden was actually a pretty good sized industrial area, it was also a railway hub for Nazi industry.

And killing civilians is an added bonus?

Contrary to popular belief but War, no matter against an enemy so vile as the Nazis, has rules.

I suppose you're knowledgeable on the precision bombs the Allies had available to them a good twenty years after bombers were invented?

[The Grey Wolf]

And even on top of that, some of the actions committed by the Allies were pretty fucking atrocious.

Sometimes you just have to look at the big picture. Yes, some Allies, especially some of the Soviets, we're total bastards. And yes, many Wehrmacht soldiers werent nasty Nazis, but the big picture is that if nobody did anything to stop the Nazis, they would have murdered there way through Europe and eventually, the rest of the world.

You give Hitler too much credit.

[Kravanica]

Strawman off the starboard side!

Being anti-Nazi doesn't automatically make you anti-Deutsche. And what were we supposed to do? Just wait for them to come invade us?

Maybe, but saying that bombing Dresden to the ground was necessary to defeat the nazi's is pretty Kurzy.

Dude, Dresden was a transportation and industrial heartland of the Third Reich. Air campaigns like that were vital for the war effort.

[United Marxist Nations]

Sometimes you just have to look at the big picture. Yes, some Allies, especially some of the Soviets, we're total bastards. And yes, many Wehrmacht soldiers werent nasty Nazis, but the big picture is that if nobody did anything to stop the Nazis, they would have murdered there way through Europe and eventually, the rest of the world.

You give Hitler too much credit.

Don't think you read what he wrote, because without opposition, he most certainly would have done so.

[Kubra]

Oh lol I didn't know you were an anti-Deutsche
Civilian casualties are of course unavoidable in war, but cmon bro these acts were purposely directed at civilian populations.

Dresden was an industrial target which contributed to the Nazi War Effort.

It's hard to imagine that the germans had much constant capital to throw into the production process in 1945 in the first place, let alone enough to justify the resulting mass bombing.

Strawman off the starboard side!

Being anti-Nazi doesn't automatically make you anti-Deutsche. And what were we supposed to do? Just wait for them to come invade us?

I don't think he understands the concept of "casualties of war." Civilians will always be killed sooner or later during wartime. Is it sad? Yes. Is it sad that they can be target intentionally? Yes. Is it sad to moan and groan on how something inevitable should not happen? Hell yes, you could have something better to do.

Calm down there, Mr. Milosevic.

[The Grey Wolf]

You can't just be defensive, the Nazis had to be destroyed on their home territory as well.

Oh lol I didn't know you were an anti-Deutsche
Civilian casualties are of course unavoidable in war, but cmon bro these acts were purposely directed at civilian populations.

I wouldn't say these actions were right, but they were practical, necessary to ending the war as quickly as possible, thus abating casualties.

United Marxist Nations is a Marxist and Russophile, you can expect this.

[United Marxist Nations]

Oh lol I didn't know you were an anti-Deutsche
Civilian casualties are of course unavoidable in war, but cmon bro these acts were purposely directed at civilian populations.

I wouldn't say these actions were right, but they were practical, necessary to ending the war as quickly as possible, thus abating casualties.

United Marxist Nations is a Marxist and Russophile, you can expect this.

I am, although I pretty much love learning about all cultures and history, except the Inuit, because that shit is boring.