Should muslims be treated equally?

[Greater-London]

Ah, but religious clothing could be considered to be Western clothing could it not?

Some religious clothing yes. Traditional Islamic dress can't be considered what we call Western culture because it isn't.

[Conserative Morality]

Modern day Judaism is completely free of barbarism, modern day Christianity is unacceptable but no where near the level of Islam.

Funny. Shitheads are everywhere.

[Southern Hampshire]

I do not see the usage of religious clothing, religious drums to disturb a local community outside a mosque, knowledge of Arabic as native language (learning it before or during school) and believing in sharia law as "integrated", sorry.

Ah, but religious clothing could be considered to be Western clothing could it not?

Look, just because some Christians call for the forced conversion or execution of all Muslims doesn't make all Christians terrorists!

It makes all Muslims terrorists.

Thank you for making me laugh sir. A good one that was.

No. Islam never belonged to Europe and therefore has not built the European society we see today. Islamic religious clothing is against integration. Christian religious clothing is European, though also shows some people haven't grown secular at the same speed as European society. Nevertheless, Priests wearing religious outfits are fine, so are Imams. How many Christians do you see that wear religious clothing daily? I see hundreds of muslims. Unless you live in an Amish city, the answer is zero.

I do not see the usage of religious clothing, religious drums to disturb a local community outside a mosque, knowledge of Arabic as native language (learning it before or during school) and believing in sharia law as "integrated", sorry.

Bro do you know any muslims? do they all walk around with their "religious clothes" on. A majority of muslims know how to read Arabic specifically learned to be able to read the Qur'an however outside the arab world far fewer know Arabic as a complete langage they can speak and write in as well so.

The religious drums not sure about but it sounds like a major holiday of the Shiite sect that is undertaken only at specified times during the year thought I confess I don't know the details. Your point of view seems to entail that if they are practicing their religion in a western country they aren't integrated which is quite frankly absurd.

Do I know? A few.

Do they walk around with religious clothing? Yeah, all the women and more or less more than half of men. I live in a city with 8% Muslim population.

Religious drums, whatever it is, also known as Adhan, is blazed through the city every time there is time for prayer.

[Reddogkeno101]

Ah, but religious clothing could be considered to be Western clothing could it not?

Some religious clothing yes. Traditional Islamic dress can't be considered what we call Western culture because it isn't.

I mean as in referring to Christianity and that Western society basically grew off Christianity. Pointing out that the clothes that they wear could be considered religious clothing by non-Westerners.

[New Socialist South Africa]

PITTSBURGH—Explaining how defending the population is the government’s ultimate responsibility, area man Greg Farnsworth told reporters Thursday he is willing to give up any of Muslims’ rights necessary to feel safe. “The bottom line is that we are putting innocent lives at risk if we don’t give the government more power to protect us, and if that means giving up a few constitutionally protected freedoms of Muslims in the process, so be it,” said Farnsworth, who added that, while he didn't necessarily like the idea of the NSA monitoring phone calls or emails, he believed it was vital to accept a few violations of privacy rights among those of the Islamic faith to ensure the nation remained secure. “If last week’s attacks taught us anything, it’s that al-Qaeda is still determined to kill as many people as they can. So if we have to add more security measures at airports for Muslims or track people online who are critical of the U.S. government, provided they are Muslim, in order to keep us safe, I'm willing to make that sacrifice.” Farnsworth added that, if you really considered the lives and well-being of your family, limiting a few rights for Muslims here and there isn't a bad trade-off at all.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-m ... hts,37780/

Even though the article is from the Onion, and obviously just satire, there's still a good amount of truth in it. All the recent terrorist attacks could have been prevented if muslims didn't have the same freedoms as other people. This may not be politically correct, but security should come long before political correctness. For example, measures to prevent muslims from owning firearms could have potentially prevented the Charlie Hebdo attack, and investigating muslims further before boarding flights (or just not allowing them on in the first place), could have prevented 9/11. Non-muslims are being needlessly subjected to excessive security measures because of the actions of muslims, which I find ridiculous. Of course, basic security measures should be taken for everyone, but let's face it, muslims are more likely to commit terrorist attacks.

So NSG, your opinion?

Of course Muslims should be treated equally.

It is quite frankly an absurd suggestion that all Muslims should face extra security checks and not be permitted to buy firearms, while others are, simply because they are Muslim, because of the violent act perpetrated by some other Muslims.

That would be the equivalent of me arguing that all Christians should face additional security checks and not be permitted to buy firearms, while others are, simply because they are Christian, because of the violent Sikh temple shooting perpetrated by Christian terrorist Wade Michael Page in 2012.

http://religiondispatches.org/christian-terrorism-comes-to-milwaukee/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Sikh_temple_shooting

[Rhodevus]

Modern day Judaism is completely free of barbarism, modern day Christianity is unacceptable but no where near the level of Islam.

Funny. Shitheads are everywhere.

Can we all agree that all religions have shitheads? Most people are normal. Some are... a bit messed up. Judaism has its nuts. Christianity has its nuts and so does Islam.

[Des-Bal]

Can we all agree that all religions have shitheads? Most people are normal. Some are... a bit messed up. Judaism has its nuts. Christianity has its nuts and so does Islam.

Right but Islam has substantially more shitheads for a series of reasons which don't really affect the point.

[Dalcaria]

Even though the article is from the Onion, and obviously just satire, there's still a good amount of truth in it. All the recent terrorist attacks could have been prevented if muslims didn't have the same freedoms as other people.

False. This would literally have required you kicking every single Muslim out of every single nation on Earth and then shutting down all airports, etc. Even if you did that, they still could have made access to the US by smuggling themselves in. Furthermore, there are somewhere in the neighborhood of a few thousand to a few hundred thousand Muslim terrorists. And do you know how many Muslims there are? Somewhere in the hundreds of millions. The amount of terrorist Muslims is tiny compared to the number of non-radical Muslims. Then ask yourself, should we apply this same theory on Christians? Because Christian (or allegedly Christian) terrorism still occurs in Africa.

This may not be politically correct, but security should come long before political correctness.

This may be rude, but you're an idiot if you think restricting the rights of Muslims is going to change a thing. Most terrorist acts are occurring in the Middle East, and on a daily basis, and towards other Muslims. The only reason we in the west get into such a panic about "security" is because we assume we should be invincible. Well I'm sorry to break it to you, but we're not. We never have been, we never will be. If it isn't Muslim radicals, it's the NSA, or China, or Russia, or anyone else who get's a bee in their bonnet about taking over stuff that doesn't belong to them.

For example, measures to prevent muslims from owning firearms could have potentially prevented the Charlie Hebdo attack, and investigating muslims further before boarding flights (or just not allowing them on in the first place), could have prevented 9/11.

Do you know anything about French firearms laws? Do you HONESTLY think ANYONE in France can legally own a rocket launcher? And tell me, when was the last time there was a school shooting in the US with a Muslim shooter? Last I checked, they were all white! Also, maybe it's the fact that people HAVE been doing background checks since 9/11 that's led to the sudden almost non-existence of plane based terror attacks!

Non-muslims are being needlessly subjected to excessive security measures because of the actions of muslims, which I find ridiculous. Of course, basic security measures should be taken for everyone, but let's face it, muslims are more likely to commit terrorist attacks.

Were you born under a rock, or were you just not around for the IRA, Tokyo subway attacks, the Oklahoma City bombing, the Lord's Liberation Army, and numerous other non-Muslim terror groups? Security checks should apply to EVERYONE, especially because (guess you haven't been watching the news), a lot of non-Middle Eastern people (white people and black people mostly) have converted to radical Islam!

So NSG, your opinion?

My opinion is that you don't know what you're talking about, and no group should be subjugated because you can't understand why it is they are committing terrorist attacks, and who is an actual threat. That's kind of why our intelligence agencies have been keeping such close tabs on terrorist groups.

[Greater-London]

I mean as in referring to Christianity and that Western society basically grew off Christianity. Pointing out that the clothes that they wear could be considered religious clothing by non-Westerners.

Well no Western Civilization predates Christianity. Even if we say that Western society stems from Christianity how many contemporary Christians wear special clothes on account of their Christianity? How noticeable is this clothing? and does the bible compel you to wear it?

[Southern Hampshire]

Modern day Judaism is completely free of barbarism, modern day Christianity is unacceptable but no where near the level of Islam.

Funny. Shitheads are everywhere.

I was not aware of those. Although you did prove Jews aren't exactly peaceful, smashing bus windows is hardly comparable to burning a car or killing tens of people.

The other pages about terrorism in Palestine are more acceptable and comparable to Islamic terrorism, but the way I see it is that there have not been a lot (in comparison to Muslims).

[Ifreann]

Exactly why we need to put a stop to illegal immigration, but that's a topic for another thread.

Because clearly all Latinos in the US are illegal immigrants, right guys?

As are all Muslims. Everyone knows that.

[Reddogkeno101]

Ah, but religious clothing could be considered to be Western clothing could it not?

Thank you for making me laugh sir. A good one that was.

No. Islam never belonged to Europe and therefore has not built the European society we see today. Islamic religious clothing is against integration. Christian religious clothing is European, though also shows some people haven't grown secular at the same speed as European society. Nevertheless, Priests wearing religious outfits are fine, so are Imams. How many Christians do you see that wear religious clothing daily? I see hundreds of muslims. Unless you live in an Amish city, the answer is zero.

Bro do you know any muslims? do they all walk around with their "religious clothes" on. A majority of muslims know how to read Arabic specifically learned to be able to read the Qur'an however outside the arab world far fewer know Arabic as a complete langage they can speak and write in as well so.

The religious drums not sure about but it sounds like a major holiday of the Shiite sect that is undertaken only at specified times during the year thought I confess I don't know the details. Your point of view seems to entail that if they are practicing their religion in a western country they aren't integrated which is quite frankly absurd.

Do I know? A few.

Do they walk around with religious clothing? Yeah, all the women and more or less more than half of men. I live in a city with 8% Muslim population.

Religious drums, whatever it is, also known as Adhan, is blazed through the city every time there is time for prayer.

And how do you know these 'Hundreds of people' you see are Muslims? Because they are Middle Eastern in appearance? The West is no longer a soley whities only place, it is a multicultural, multiethnic, secular place that is inclusive of all.

[Rhodevus]

Can we all agree that all religions have shitheads? Most people are normal. Some are... a bit messed up. Judaism has its nuts. Christianity has its nuts and so does Islam.

Right but Islam has substantially more shitheads for a series of reasons which don't really affect the point.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-al ... e-muslims/

A nice little read i think you will enjoy.

[Conserative Morality]

Ah, but religious clothing could be considered to be Western clothing could it not?

Some religious clothing yes. Traditional Islamic dress can't be considered what we call Western culture because it isn't.

Right, European Muslims don't have a long history on the continent, Islam didn't have a huge impact on Western civilization, and hijabs, habits, and Mennonite head-covering... things... are fundamentally different.

[Katganistan]

Modern day Judaism is completely free of barbarism, modern day Christianity is unacceptable but no where near the level of Islam.

REALLY? Who's Irv Rubin, I wonder. And what was he jailed for attempting in Culver City California, hmmm?

[Redsection]

Funny. Shitheads are everywhere.

Can we all agree that all religions have shitheads? Most people are normal. Some are... a bit messed up. Judaism has its nuts. Christianity has its nuts and so does Islam.

i agree we are only different due to our holy books and the name for god

[Reddogkeno101]

I mean as in referring to Christianity and that Western society basically grew off Christianity. Pointing out that the clothes that they wear could be considered religious clothing by non-Westerners.

Well no Western Civilization predates Christianity. Even if we say that Western society stems from Christianity how many contemporary Christians wear special clothes on account of their Christianity? How noticeable is this clothing? and does the bible compel you to wear it?

Good point.

[Dalcaria]

Can we all agree that all religions have shitheads? Most people are normal. Some are... a bit messed up. Judaism has its nuts. Christianity has its nuts and so does Islam.

Right but Islam has substantially more shitheads for a series of reasons which don't really affect the point.

No, Islam just has ones that are more willing to take action. I believe the total numbers of ISIS probably only come to about 40 000 people, give or take. If you added all Muslim extremists up, you'd probably have a pretty similar number to the number of Christian or Sikh extremists (not sure if Hindu is covered under Sikhism or not, or if Sikhism or Hinduism really have many extremists to them).

[Des-Bal]

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-al ... e-muslims/

A nice little read i think you will enjoy.

I have not read this yet but I'm assuming it's that ASININE study that only a small percentage of terrorists in the United States are Muslim which COMPLETELY neglects the fact that the MAJORITY of global terror is Islamic. Will edit when I've read.

edit: Well what do you fucking know.

[Conserative Morality]

Funny. Shitheads are everywhere.

Can we all agree that all religions have shitheads? Most people are normal. Some are... a bit messed up. Judaism has its nuts. Christianity has its nuts and so does Islam.

That's why I specified that shitheads were 'everywhere'.

I was not aware of those. Although you did prove Jews aren't exactly peaceful, smashing bus windows is hardly comparable to burning a car or killing tens of people.

Nope. Not comparable.

The other pages about terrorism in Palestine are more acceptable and comparable to Islamic terrorism, but the way I see it is that there have not been a lot (in comparison to Muslims).

Not just in Palestine.

There's a reason for that. Something about 'population size' and 'relative affluence'.

For some reason a tiny religion crammed mostly into about a dozen developed countries doesn't have the same rate of extremism as a billion and half people spread over a number of countries of varying wealth and development.

[Dalcaria]

You can't go one sentence without being wrong, still.

Look, just because some Christians call for the forced conversion or execution of all Muslims doesn't make all Christians terrorists!

It makes all Muslims terrorists.

All Muslims are terrorists?



Funny, I don't remember waking up this morning to have 5 or 6 cars blow up on my street! Anyone else have to wake up to that?

No?

I didn't think so.

[Des-Bal]

No, Islam just has ones that are more willing to take action. I believe the total numbers of ISIS probably only come to about 40 000 people, give or take. If you added all Muslim extremists up, you'd probably have a pretty similar number to the number of Christian or Sikh extremists (not sure if Hindu is covered under Sikhism or not, or if Sikhism or Hinduism really have many extremists to them).

When the shitheads aren't committing acts of terror I go ahead and skip the label.

[New Socialist South Africa]

Funny. Shitheads are everywhere.

I was not aware of those. Although you did prove Jews aren't exactly peaceful, smashing bus windows is hardly comparable to burning a car or killing tens of people.

The other pages about terrorism in Palestine are more acceptable and comparable to Islamic terrorism, but the way I see it is that there have not been a lot (in comparison to Muslims).

How about these then:

Particularly this one - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre

but any of the 20th / 21st century incidents here can count - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_religious_terrorism

[Patricks land]

No not all Islams are bad just like not all blacks are (Stereotypically) Perverted raping witches. So most Islamic people are good and should be treated equally.

[Sternberg]

Aaaand ... after reading the OP, my daily boost in the faith of humanity has just plummeted. Really - we REALLY have to go over this?

As a previous poster stated, a minuscule three (Salifism, Wahabism and Takfirism) out of approximately seventy major sects of Islam advocate (generally speaking - there are nuanced differences) for the suppression or death of "false" Muslims, a return to shaira law and a restoration of the Caliphate of old - over the corpses of anyone who gets in their way, if their warped views of their own originating philosophy justify it. These sects have been practically rejected by the majority of Muslims and have, with some exceptions, found purchase only among a string of groups united by common ideas of extremist political Islam.

And you want to justify their rabble-rousing by having all democratic and multi-culturalist societies sink to the same lows that they accuse us of?

Are you insane?!

Yes, I am against extremist Islamic-inspired terrorism; I am against Boko Haram, Al-Quaida and their off-shoots and ISIL. I would love nothing more then to see their leaders and members face the punishment they deserve - whether by the international judiciary or the governments of their own nations, for those who stand against them.

But the difference in our opinions is that I'm against ALL forms of extremism and terrorism - irrespective of their origin or creed - and I vehemently disagree that all persons of a particular racial, religious or philosophical group need to be tarred with the same brush just because of the actions of a minority of railing demagogues and barbarous thugs.