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How Will The Supreme Court Rule & Where Do You Stand on Gay Marriage

The Supreme Court Will Rule in Favor of Same Sex Marriage
232
30%
The Supreme Court Won't Rule in Favor of Same Sex Marriage
37
5%
Not Sure/ Could Go Either Way
95
12%
I Favor Legalization of Same Sex Marriage
300
39%
I Oppose the Legalization of Same Sex Marriage
53
7%
I Have No Opinion on Same Sex Marriage
17
2%
Regardless of my Opinion, The States should decide on SSM
39
5%
 
Total votes : 773

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Postby The Alexanderians » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:06 am

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WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Friday agreed to decide whether all 50 states must allow gay and lesbian couples to marry, positioning it to resolve one of the great civil rights questions in a generation before its current term ends in June.

The decision came just months after the justices ducked the issue, refusing in October to hear appeals from rulings allowing same-sex marriage in five states. That decision, which was considered a major surprise, delivered a tacit victory for gay rights, immediately expanding the number of states with same-sex marriage to 24, along with the District of Columbia, up from 19.

Largely as a consequence of the Supreme Court’s decision not to act, the number of states allowing same-sex marriage has since grown to 36, and more than 70 percent of Americans live in places where gay couples can marry.

The cases the Supreme Court agreed to hear on Friday were brought by some 15 same-sex couples in four states. The plaintiffs said they have a fundamental right to marry and to be treated as opposite-sex couples are, adding that bans they challenged demeaned their dignity, imposed countless practical difficulties and inflicted particular harm on their children.

The pace of change on same-sex marriage, in both popular opinion and in the courts, has no parallel in the nation’s history.

Gay rights advocates hailed the court’s move on Friday as one of the final steps in a decades-long journey toward equal treatment, and they expressed confidence they would prevail.

“We are finally within sight of the day when same-sex couples across the country will be able to share equally in the joys, protections and responsibilities of marriage,” said Jon W. Davidson, the legal director of Lambda Legal.

Supporters of traditional marriage said the Supreme Court now has a chance to return the issue to voters and legislators.

“Lower court judges have robbed millions of people of their voice and vote on society’s most fundamental relationship — marriage,” said Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, a conservative policy and lobbying group. “There is nothing in the Constitution that empowers the courts to silence the people and impose a nationwide redefinition of marriage.”

The Supreme Court’s lack of action in October and its last three major gay rights rulings suggest that the court will rule in favor of same-sex marriage. But the court also has a history of caution in this area.

It agreed once before to hear a constitutional challenge to a same-sex marriage ban, in 2012 in a case called Hollingsworth v. Perry that involved California’s Proposition 8. At the time, nine states and the District of Columbia allowed same-sex couples to marry.

When the court’s ruling arrived in June 2013, the justices ducked, with a majority saying that the case was not properly before them, and none of them expressing a view on the ultimate question of whether the Constitution requires states to allow same-sex marriage.

But a second decision the same day, in United States v. Windsor, provided the movement for same-sex marriage with what turned out to be a powerful tailwind. The decision struck down the part of the Defense of Marriage Act that barred federal benefits for same-sex couples married in states that allowed such unions.

The Windsor decision was based partly on federalism grounds, with Justice Anthony M. Kennedy’s majority opinion stressing that state decisions on how to treat marriages deserved respect. But lower courts focused on other parts of his opinion, ones that emphasized the dignity of gay relationships and the harm that families of gay couples suffered from bans on same-sex marriage. In a remarkable and largely unbroken line of more than 40 decisions, state and federal courts relied on the Windsor decision to rule in favor of same-sex marriage.

The most important exception was a decision in November from a divided three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, in Cincinnati. Writing for the majority, Judge Jeffrey S. Sutton said that voters and legislators, not judges, should decide the issue.

That decision created a split among the federal appeals courts, a criterion that the Supreme Court often looks to in deciding whether to hear a case. That criterion had been missing in October.

The Sixth Circuit’s decision upheld bans on same-sex marriage in Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee. The Supreme Court agreed to hear petitions seeking review from plaintiffs challenging those bans in each state.

The court said it will hear two and a half hours of argument, probably in the last week of April. The first 90 minutes will be devoted to the question of whether the Constitution requires states “to license a marriage between two people of the same sex.”

The last hour will concern a question that will be moot if the answer to the first one is yes: whether states must “recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out of state.”

The court consolidated the four petitions, not all of which had addressed both questions.

Two cases — Obergefell v. Hodges, No. 14-556, from Ohio, and Tanco v. Haslam, No. 14-562, from Tennessee — challenged state laws barring the recognition of same-sex marriages performed elsewhere.

“Ohio does not contest the validity of their out-of-state marriages,” the plaintiffs seeking to overturn the ban wrote in their brief seeking Supreme Court review. “It simply refuses to recognize them.”

State officials in Ohio had urged the justices to hear the case. “The present status quo is unsustainable,” they said. “The country deserves a nationwide answer to the question — one way or the other.”

Gov. Bill Haslam of Tennessee, a Republican, took a different approach from those of officials in the other states whose cases the Supreme Court agreed to decide. He did what litigants who have won in the lower court typically do: He urged the justices to decline to hear the case.

The Michigan case, DeBoer v. Snyder, No. 14-571, was brought by April DeBoer and Jayne Rowse, two nurses. They sued to challenge the state’s ban on same-sex marriage.

In urging the Supreme Court to hear their case, they asked the justices to do away with “the significant legal burdens and detriments imposed by denying marriage to same-sex couples, as well as the dignity and emotional well-being of the couples and any children they may have.”

The Kentucky case, Bourke v. Beshear, No. 14-574, was brought by two sets of plaintiffs. The first group included four same-sex couples who had married in other states and who sought recognition of their unions. The second group, two couples, sought the right to marry in Kentucky.

In his response to the petition in the Supreme Court, Gov. Steven L. Beshear, a Democrat, said he had a duty to enforce the state’s laws. But he agreed that the Supreme Court should settle the matter and “resolve the issues creating the legal chaos that has resulted since Windsor.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/17/us/supreme-court-to-decide-whether-gays-nationwide-can-marry.html?_r=0

The LGBT community has been fighting this fight for decades, and they may finally see some progress. There's no guarantee the courts will rule in favor of Same-Sex Marriage, but we've got to hope. No American should feel like a second class citizen in their own country, especially when they've done nothing wrong and just happened to be born homosexual or decided to be homosexual. The bans on Same-sex marriage, in my opinion, are unconstitutional, and it's a shame that it's taken so long for the majority of Americans to realize that. We are a country that has been uniquely shaped by oppression, our people have stood up for the rights of their fellow citizens time and time again and this time is no different. Even if you don't understand homosexuals, that does not mean they're inherently evil or the way they live is unnatural. Some law makers, and millions of Americans disagree. But these were the same people arguing that interracial marriage would lead to the breakdown of American society, yet here we are 50 years later....our country lead by the product of interracial relations. I believe that if the court rules in favor of Same-Sex Marriage, the LGBT community will be making it's first real inroads to equality. Because marriage isn't the real issue, it's just emblematic of a larger problem. The problem being that it's still an acceptable position to hold that gay people shouldn't be allowed in some businesses, shouldn't be hired by some companies, and shouldn't be treated equally under the law.

What does NS think? How will the Supreme Court rule? How should the Supreme Court Rule? Should Same-Sex Marriages be legalized Nationwide, why or why not?

Good on them I hope they get it. Though I have some mixed feelings about this, not what they're ruling on, but how.

[*]First off I want to see them get it as much as the next guy but I support the states' right to make their own laws.

[*]On the other hand this may be the only way to get it done effectively and quickly (and in some places at all).

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The problem being that it's still an acceptable position to hold that gay people shouldn't be allowed in some businesses, shouldn't be hired by some companies, and shouldn't be treated equally under the law.

That's bullshit, it's against federal law to discriminate based on that. If it happens the law is being broken and should be treated accordingly.

[*]So at the end of the day this yields a net positive even if to get here some toes need to be stepped on.

Also on a final and personal note:
No American should feel like a second class citizen in their own country

Yeah the western world really needs to work on that. I'm not just talking about LGBT rights and I'm not talking just about America.
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Postby Sarigen » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:14 am

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The Alma Mater wrote:Why unfortunately ? There is no reason for the state to discriminate againt homosexual couples.

Their relationships might be subjectively valuable to them, but they do not offer society the same objective benefits as marriages.


So what? People aren't obligated to produce children, and marriages don't get ranked on a tier system of being more or less valuable. For example, an infertile couple can have a marriage just like anyone else (this said, infertility is one of the reasons Catholics can divorce, but I digress). We don't live in the fifteen hundreds anymore, it's time to act like it.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:25 am

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Farnhamia wrote:Secession is not the topic.


fuck i get sidetracked easily


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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:26 am

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Katganistan wrote:A civil marriage is paid for by the state?
Abortion was not disapproved by the state?


No, that is not what I am saying. Typically, an abortion does not require state or government approval and is not paid for by the state. A civil marriage, which does involve the government is a different issue. For example, when a state recognizes a marriage, the couple is granted a certain number of rights and privileges. So, we are talking about whenever or not same-sex couples have the right to access these set of rights and privileges that are granted by the government, and are given to heterosexual couples.

An abortion is a medical procedure.


Why shouldn't they be granted the same rights?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:28 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:It astounds me people oppose same-sex marriage. Religiously, I understand why. I even get why some businesses would not want to cater to gay couples on the basis of religious liberty (I don't agree with it, but I understand the argument). But two people wanting to get married? Gay or straight? Who cares!


Indeed. Let's put them back into the closet like the old days so they can marry our sisters and daughters!
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Postby Southern Hampshire » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:33 am

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
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Wikipedia lists 30 nations that adhere to some sort of same-sex unions.

Please tell me where the other 23 came from or what other qualification you have used.

Besides 53 is just over a quarter.

Read what I said again. SOME RIGHTS gives a big fucking hint.


What's a fucking 'some right'?

Their heads don't get chopped off if two men hold hands?
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:41 am

Southern Hampshire wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Read what I said again. SOME RIGHTS gives a big fucking hint.


What's a fucking 'some right'?

Their heads don't get chopped off if two men hold hands?

Maybe you should take that blindfold off, because seeing the basic right of being homosexual is what you need to fucking see for once, rather than seeing a strawman.
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Postby Benuty » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:52 am

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Katganistan wrote:Because they wanted same sex marriage?

Don't be absurd.

They were anti-religion and leftist.

Tell me where do you get your myth worshipping ideals?
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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:58 am

I think it could go either way, but hopefully they rule in favour of SSM.

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:01 pm

There is no valid moral or logical reason why same-sex marriage shouldn't be legal.
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Postby Talvezout » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:03 pm

I honestly have no opinion on same-sex civil unions/marriages but I won't be offended if it does get passed. I just can't help but imagine the shitstorm that will happen though.

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Postby Southern Hampshire » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:08 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Southern Hampshire wrote:
What's a fucking 'some right'?

Their heads don't get chopped off if two men hold hands?

Maybe you should take that blindfold off, because seeing the basic right of being homosexual is what you need to fucking see for once, rather than seeing a strawman.


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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:08 pm

Talvezout wrote:I honestly have no opinion on same-sex civil unions/marriages but I won't be offended if it does get passed. I just can't help but imagine the shitstorm that will happen though.

The irrelevant shitstorm from irrelevant people.

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Postby Drubenia » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:12 pm

Shit, I hope they do legalise it so the tumbler-esque crap in here can finally end. :roll:
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:14 pm

Talvezout wrote:I honestly have no opinion on same-sex civil unions/marriages but I won't be offended if it does get passed. I just can't help but imagine the shitstorm that will happen though.

Yeah republicans threw a tantrum when inter racial was legalized.
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Postby Talvezout » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:43 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Talvezout wrote:I honestly have no opinion on same-sex civil unions/marriages but I won't be offended if it does get passed. I just can't help but imagine the shitstorm that will happen though.

Yeah republicans threw a tantrum when inter racial was legalized.


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Talvezout wrote:I honestly have no opinion on same-sex civil unions/marriages but I won't be offended if it does get passed. I just can't help but imagine the shitstorm that will happen though.

The irrelevant shitstorm from irrelevant people.


True. The vocal minority raises hackles over everything really. And isn't this about civil unions? I know someone said this before but Christians shouldn't fell offended by this, as this is a legal thing, not a religious one. And from a Catholic perspective, didn't the pope show support for civil unions or something?

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Postby Urran » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:47 pm

If my state wants to stay backwards, it has that right, this is a Republic and in the interest of democracy it should be our choice. I'm for it, but the majority of Louisianans aren't. If the south wants to fight change, they can go right ahead. If I want to marry my boyfriend I can go out of state, it's not that difficult. It will stand when we return
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:50 pm

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It wouldn't cause a civil war.

Why would it cause a Civil War? Just because some fundamentalist Christians decide that "THE GOD OF THE LAAAAAAAAWWWWWW!!!!!" is somehow more important than the state?

The states would not want to be trampled on by the federal government.

Yeah, no. The legalization of SSM is not going to cause some second southern independence revival and make them have the same sentiment against the government as they did in the 1850-60s. It sounds completely ridiculous that you honestly equate abolition with legalization of SSM and it's political effects.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:51 pm

Urran wrote:If my state wants to stay backwards, it has that right, this is a Republic and in the interest of democracy it should be our choice. I'm for it, but the majority of Louisianans aren't. If the south wants to fight change, they can go right ahead. If I want to marry my boyfriend I can go out of state, it's not that difficult. It will stand when we return

Why should your rights be at the mercy of a popular vote? Suppose the good people of Louisiana were convinced that homosexuals shouldn't be able to vote, either, and passed a referendum or whatever mechanism exists there to enact your disenfranchisement? Would that be acceptable, too? The interests of democracy, after all. Or suppose a majority decided you should go live somewhere else?

The US constitution overrides state constitutions and laws, after all. It has for some time now.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:52 pm

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Wrong.
The government has no power to compel a religion to do anything.
FIRST AMENDMENT.

The government has no power to abridge a free press.
FIRST AMENDMENT.

Please, just stop with the persecution fantasies.

I'm going to screenshot your post, then post it if it actually does happen, which would not surprise me tbh


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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:53 pm

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Katganistan wrote:Because they wanted same sex marriage?

Don't be absurd.

They were anti-religion and leftist.

Bit more complex than that. And far more political, and far less "cuz hey hate Jesus".
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:54 pm

Urran wrote:If my state wants to stay backwards, it has that right, this is a Republic and in the interest of democracy it should be our choice. I'm for it, but the majority of Louisianans aren't. If the south wants to fight change, they can go right ahead. If I want to marry my boyfriend I can go out of state, it's not that difficult. It will stand when we return

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:57 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
It wouldn't cause a civil war.

Why would it cause a Civil War? Just because some fundamentalist Christians decide that "THE GOD OF THE LAAAAAAAAWWWWWW!!!!!" is somehow more important than the state?

The states would not want to be trampled on by the federal government.


The states don't even know what the fuck to do with this and legislation is mostly local on LGBT rights.

Marriage isn't something that Conservative people even are sure how to manage
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Postby Urran » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:57 pm

But denying someone a marriage license it different than denying someone the right to vote.

I'm just curious, Texas and Louisiana both have the right to leave the union in their constitutions. There have been grumblings by some far right wing groups (including what's left of the KKK) that both states should. I wonder if they'll get any louder if this passes.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:58 pm

Urran wrote:But denying someone a marriage license it different than denying someone the right to vote.

I'm just curious, Texas and Louisiana both have the right to leave the union in their constitutions. There have been grumblings by some far right wing groups (including what's left of the KKK) that both states should. I wonder if they'll get any louder if this passes.


Texas could, but we'd be idiots if we did.

Besides, Abbot doesn't seem to be as batshit as Perry.
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