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Do you approve of the United Kingdom?

I approve of the United Kingdom
168
63%
I disapprove of the United Kingdom
38
14%
I have neutral opinions on the United Kingdom
23
9%
I disapprove of their recent actions, but not their government
8
3%
I approve of their recent actions, but not their government
11
4%
I think Britain is arrogant, but regardless I like them.
20
7%
 
Total votes : 268

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Imperializt Russia
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:49 am

But the concept is no different.
He has achieved nothing except on the back of his parents. He has made no struggle and had no strive.

This is a something for nothing culture. It's just not the something for nothing culture he opposes.
This is classism.
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Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
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Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.

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Western-Ukraine
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Postby Western-Ukraine » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:52 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:But the concept is no different.
He has achieved nothing except on the back of his parents. He has made no struggle and had no strive.

This is a something for nothing culture. It's just not the something for nothing culture he opposes.
This is classism.

Once again I say that it's about free will. I have no problem with inheritance because of that. Social security and other government "aid" I oppose because it's theft.
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Imperializt Russia
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:53 am

Apart from the fact that it's not.
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Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Also,
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Western-Ukraine
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Postby Western-Ukraine » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:55 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:Apart from the fact that it's not.

How is it not theft when it's taken from money earned with hard work?
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Imperializt Russia
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:59 am

Western-Ukraine wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Apart from the fact that it's not.

How is it not theft when it's taken from money earned with hard work?

I thought I told you to stop using that buzzword.

The state's job is to provide its citizens with access to the means of defence, healthcare and personal security. It does this through taxes. This is part of your duty to the state, and your fellow man within the state.
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Katganistan
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Postby Katganistan » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:00 am

The United States of North Amerigo wrote:Hello Nationstates General. Today I have another question. Do you approve of the United Kingdom? The United Kingdom follows the United States on its tours around the world, always by its side. It is also a critical component in NATO. However, it has recently taken unpopular actions, like ignored radical Islam for fear of being labeled as a racist country. Or if the UKIP party wins, and it looks like it is, it will leave the European Union. But still, on the other hand, it is sending troops to Estonia to help prepare Estonian troops. It was the country that has given birth to the most influential powers around the world. I.E Australia, Canada, United States, New Zealand. So my question is, do you approval or disapprove?


I was unaware that a sovereign nation required my approval. Actually, I quite doubt it does. Nevertheless, they have it.

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Patria Magna
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Postby Patria Magna » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:01 am

I can't approve of them when their entire political structure is based off of attacking Catholics.
Sic semper tyrannus

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The Nuclear Fist
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:02 am

Western-Ukraine wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Apart from the fact that it's not.

How is it not theft when it's taken from money earned with hard work?

And for those citizens who work hard and still suffer? What, do we let them starve and lament in poverty?
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United Anglosphere Federation
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Postby United Anglosphere Federation » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:02 am

Patria Magna wrote:I can't approve of them when their entire political structure is based off of attacking Catholics.

wot even

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Allet Klar Chefs
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Postby Allet Klar Chefs » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:02 am

I rate it a solid 6/10.

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United Anglosphere Federation
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Postby United Anglosphere Federation » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:02 am

United Anglosphere Federation wrote:
Patria Magna wrote:I can't approve of them when their entire political structure is based off of attacking Catholics.

wot even

Like, honestly.

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Imperializt Russia
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:03 am

Patria Magna wrote:I can't approve of them when their entire political structure is based off of attacking Catholics.

We made peace with Catholicism, like, two hundred years ago.
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Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
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Western-Ukraine
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Postby Western-Ukraine » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:03 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:How is it not theft when it's taken from money earned with hard work?

I thought I told you to stop using that buzzword.

The state's job is to provide its citizens with access to the means of defence, healthcare and personal security. It does this through taxes. This is part of your duty to the state, and your fellow man within the state.

I don't consider that my duty. I am in no way bond to support other people. No state should be able to force people to help other people live. This is partly authoritarianism. The state should be minimal.
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Imperializt Russia
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:05 am

Western-Ukraine wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:I thought I told you to stop using that buzzword.

The state's job is to provide its citizens with access to the means of defence, healthcare and personal security. It does this through taxes. This is part of your duty to the state, and your fellow man within the state.

I don't consider that my duty. I am in no way bond to support other people. No state should be able to force people to help other people live. This is partly authoritarianism. The state should be minimal.

That is not authoritarianism.

On the latter point, I fundamentally disagree. A minimalist state has no point in existing.

Of course, if the social structure were equitable, this conversation would not be required, as one would not be "forced" to help other people live anyway.
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Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
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The Nuclear Fist
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:07 am

Western-Ukraine wrote:The lower classes don't deserve equal quantity because they don't have the responsibility and the ambition that for example the businessmen need to succeed. They could go for business if they wanted to. It's about choice.
The difference with something for nothing system and inheritance is the fact that when the government "helps" the lower class they take from others while in inheritance money is given out of your free will.

Oh yes, clearly no one becomes a laborer because of anything other than passiveness and laziness.

*jerkoff pantomime*

How fucking deluded does an adult have to be to honestly believe that?
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
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Old Tyrannia
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:11 am

Patria Magna wrote:I can't approve of them when their entire political structure is based off of attacking Catholics.

It's like your only insight into the modern United Kingdom is a school textbook on Tudor England.
Katganistan wrote:
The United States of North Amerigo wrote:Hello Nationstates General. Today I have another question. Do you approve of the United Kingdom? The United Kingdom follows the United States on its tours around the world, always by its side. It is also a critical component in NATO. However, it has recently taken unpopular actions, like ignored radical Islam for fear of being labeled as a racist country. Or if the UKIP party wins, and it looks like it is, it will leave the European Union. But still, on the other hand, it is sending troops to Estonia to help prepare Estonian troops. It was the country that has given birth to the most influential powers around the world. I.E Australia, Canada, United States, New Zealand. So my question is, do you approval or disapprove?


I was unaware that a sovereign nation required my approval. Actually, I quite doubt it does. Nevertheless, they have it.

If a nation doesn't have a moderator's approval, it may be DEATed. Thankfully the United Kingdom's flag, motto, currency and national animal are all neither obscene nor offensive.
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Norfolk and Suffolk
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Postby Norfolk and Suffolk » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:12 am

Hungariaa wrote:I think most of the Anti-UK arguments come from this lady. :lol2:

(Image)
The two arch rivals.


That old bag doesn't deserve the airtime she is given.

Val Halla wrote:Oh yeah, also. Britain's cities suck. Only half decent one is Lincoln.


Clearly you haven't been to Norwich ;)

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The Atheist State of Greater London
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Postby The Atheist State of Greater London » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:12 am

I approve of the United Kingdom. They are strongly opposed against Muslim Extremists: for example, David Cameron was prepared to defend Charlie Hebdo's right to publish their cartoon, and even went on the march along with a number of other political leaders. I don't recall Obama being one of them. However, I still dislike David Cameron.
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Katganistan
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Postby Katganistan » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:15 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Katganistan wrote:I was unaware that a sovereign nation required my approval. Actually, I quite doubt it does. Nevertheless, they have it.

If a nation doesn't have a moderator's approval, it may be DEATed. Thankfully the United Kingdom's flag, motto, currency and national animal are all neither obscene nor offensive.


Wait, you mean I can moderate real life now?

:twisted:

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Old Tyrannia
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:16 am

Katganistan wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:If a nation doesn't have a moderator's approval, it may be DEATed. Thankfully the United Kingdom's flag, motto, currency and national animal are all neither obscene nor offensive.


Wait, you mean I can moderate real life now?

:twisted:

Real life? What is this you speak of? Is it free or do you have to pay to play it?
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- Yamamoto Tsunetomo
⚜ GOD SAVE THE KING

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Jute
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Postby Jute » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:18 am

The politicians aren't the best of course, the ban on pornography is mostly pointless and opens the door to censorship for example and their secret service is overzealous, in some ways more so than the NSA even, but other than that seems like a nice country. I'd like to visit it sometime.
Valaran wrote:Well, seeing as I'm from the UK and I haven't left yet, I think approval is on the cards :p

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Old Tyrannia wrote:
Katganistan wrote:
Wait, you mean I can moderate real life now?

:twisted:

Real life? What is this you speak of? Is it free or do you have to pay to play it?

It's free, but very difficult to continue with no payments at all.
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The Atheist State of Greater London
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Postby The Atheist State of Greater London » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:20 am

Katganistan wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:If a nation doesn't have a moderator's approval, it may be DEATed. Thankfully the United Kingdom's flag, motto, currency and national animal are all neither obscene nor offensive.


Wait, you mean I can moderate real life now?

:twisted:


That would be awesome. If I could, I'd start by removing UKIP.

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The Nihilistic view
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:20 am

Kenora County wrote:
Calimera II wrote:She is ~60 years old, and to be fair, she doesn't look that old at all.


True, she looks like a woman in her late 40's


That is an insult to women in their 40s.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:20 am

Katganistan wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:If a nation doesn't have a moderator's approval, it may be DEATed. Thankfully the United Kingdom's flag, motto, currency and national animal are all neither obscene nor offensive.


Wait, you mean I can moderate real life now?

:twisted:


*DEATs Belgium*

Oops.
The Blaatschapen should resign

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Calimera II
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Postby Calimera II » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:21 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Kenora County wrote:
True, she looks like a woman in her late 40's


That is an insult to women in their 40s.


Oh come ooooon Nil.. :p

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