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Do you approve of the United Kingdom?

I approve of the United Kingdom
168
63%
I disapprove of the United Kingdom
38
14%
I have neutral opinions on the United Kingdom
23
9%
I disapprove of their recent actions, but not their government
8
3%
I approve of their recent actions, but not their government
11
4%
I think Britain is arrogant, but regardless I like them.
20
7%
 
Total votes : 268

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Edgy Opinions
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:15 am

To be fair, it is the most intriguing country to me. Based on online accounts, I could hate it, I could dislike it, I could find it meh, I could love it, I could adore so much my experience and want to move there...

Glasgia wrote:[url=file:///C:/Users/Rob/Downloads/cflaugust2013-313-pdf.pdf]increase in household spending[/url]


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Postby Olivaero » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:23 am

Lunas Legion wrote:
Pesda wrote:Regardless of whether you are correct, they are caused by crappy politicians.


On that at least we can agree. Currently it's a choice between Red Shit, Blue Shit, Really Shitty Yellow Shit, Racist Purple Shit or Nationalist Shit.

Funnily enough you left the only party which is actually named after the colour and also one of the ones that is not shit.
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Postby Olivaero » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:24 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:To be fair, it is the most intriguing country to me. Based on online accounts, I could hate it, I could dislike it, I could find it meh, I could love it, I could adore so much my experience and want to move there...

Glasgia wrote:[url=file:///C:/Users/Rob/Downloads/cflaugust2013-313-pdf.pdf]increase in household spending[/url]


http://www.naoligo.com/kkk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/imprimir.jpg

Move here you say? :3
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:28 am

Olivaero wrote:
Edgy Opinions wrote:To be fair, it is the most intriguing country to me. Based on online accounts, I could hate it, I could dislike it, I could find it meh, I could love it, I could adore so much my experience and want to move there...



http://www.naoligo.com/kkk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/imprimir.jpg

Move here you say? :3

Their legislation doesn't seem too shitty, there are many people from Portuguese-speaking countries, the society is diversified and each little place has its novelties, education seems awesome, their right-wing is less nauseous than the ones we have in the Americas, it's less oppressive as a subset of the capitalist machine than anywhere in LatAm, I'd be fully bilingual and speaking a privileged dialect while doing so in no time, and lots of very lovely friends I have are from there.

Yes, NSG changed my mind the most about the UK.
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Postby Olivaero » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:35 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:
Olivaero wrote:Move here you say? :3

Their legislation doesn't seem too shitty, there are many people from Portuguese-speaking countries, the society is diversified and each little place has its novelties, education seems awesome, their right-wing is less nauseous than the ones we have in the Americas, it's less oppressive as a subset of the capitalist machine than anywhere in LatAm, I'd be fully bilingual and speaking a privileged dialect while doing so in no time, and lots of very lovely friends I have are from there.

Yes, NSG changed my mind the most about the UK.

Well... you're definitely welcome here! :) Let me know if you ever choose to visit :3
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Postby Southern Hampshire » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:38 am

Glasgia wrote:
Southern Hampshire wrote:
yeah because private corporations should increase their wages just for the purpose of comforting a couple of lazy arses

on the other side the more i read these type of conversations the less sympathetic I am to the "hard-times" people have currently on benefits. maybe it will be an incentive to get work.


You've heard of the minimum wage before, right lad? An increase in the minimum wage would both provide incentive to get people off the benefits you hate so much, create a more stable financial situation for the lowest paid workers and actually results in an [url=file:///C:/Users/Rob/Downloads/cflaugust2013-313-pdf.pdf]increase in household spending[/url]


while making 1 000 000 people unemployed due to corporate exodus

your utopian situation does not take corporate interest into account

going by your thinking we could even increase the minimum wage to 50/h to make spending even higher
Last edited by Southern Hampshire on Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:39 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Postby Glasgia » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:43 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:To be fair, it is the most intriguing country to me. Based on online accounts, I could hate it, I could dislike it, I could find it meh, I could love it, I could adore so much my experience and want to move there...

Glasgia wrote:[url=file:///C:/Users/Rob/Downloads/cflaugust2013-313-pdf.pdf]increase in household spending[/url]


http://www.naoligo.com/kkk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/imprimir.jpg


Fuck. Lemme try that again :p

https://www.chicagofed.org/digital_assets/publications/chicago_fed_letter/2013/cflaugust2013_313.pdf

Southern Hampshire wrote:
Glasgia wrote:
You've heard of the minimum wage before, right lad? An increase in the minimum wage would both provide incentive to get people off the benefits you hate so much, create a more stable financial situation for the lowest paid workers and actually results in an [url=file:///C:/Users/Rob/Downloads/cflaugust2013-313-pdf.pdf]increase in household spending[/url]


while making 1 000 000 people unemployed due to corporate exodus

your utopian situation does not take corporate interest into account

going by your thinking we could even increase the minimum wage to 50/h to make spending even higher


No, because by the time we increase the minimum wage to that extant there would likely be a corporate exodus, and more importantly massive levels of inflation. My situation isn't utopian - It's tried and tested common sense which would inject money into the economy.

You cannot keep making unsubstantiated statements. Unless you can prove that raising the minimum wage would result in corporate exodus, mathematically or empirically, then you have no basis for your argument.
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Postby Obresia » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:49 am

I don't care, lower my taxes.

Seriously though, I'm neutral and more call upon them to buy glorious Dutch products and make them our consumerslaves.

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:52 am

I approve of the UK for the most part, but they don't know how to make good burgers and their approach to race issues and poverty sometimes makes me facepalm.

The things I like most about it are the pop music, the traditional architecture, and the sexy accents. They should also be proud of their contributions to the Industrial Revolution and the way the RAF whupped Nazi ass in WWII.
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Postby Southern Hampshire » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:56 am

Glasgia wrote:
Edgy Opinions wrote:To be fair, it is the most intriguing country to me. Based on online accounts, I could hate it, I could dislike it, I could find it meh, I could love it, I could adore so much my experience and want to move there...



http://www.naoligo.com/kkk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/imprimir.jpg


Fuck. Lemme try that again :p

https://www.chicagofed.org/digital_assets/publications/chicago_fed_letter/2013/cflaugust2013_313.pdf

Southern Hampshire wrote:
while making 1 000 000 people unemployed due to corporate exodus

your utopian situation does not take corporate interest into account

going by your thinking we could even increase the minimum wage to 50/h to make spending even higher


would result in corporate exodus, mathematically or empirically, then you have no basis for your argument.


lol

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Postby Kainesia » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:14 am

I am English, and I feel a great deal of kinship with the sheep herders of the west and the oil workers of the north. Plus northern Ireland likes us so much they car bomb any catholic who says otherwise! what's not to love?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:31 am

I approve of the UK, it's a nice buffer between us and the USA.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:38 am

Glasgia wrote:Costa, you're better than that - Since when has "Nope." been an acceptable way to refute a point?

I advanced counter-arguments for every one of Socialist Tera's points a few pages back. No one has attempted to counter my counter-arguments yet.
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China has managed to be one nation for hundreds of years, and yet it is far larger and more culturally diverse than Great Britain.
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York isn't that bad, from memory.

Bath, Chester, Edinburgh, Stirling, Inverness and Salisbury all seemed like nice places to me.
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You can be what you are as well as being British.
Yes, I can be. What is annoying is that I am expected to be that even though Britishness does not appeal to me.
Since Britain is also a geographical area you would still be British even with independence. ;) Rather like us being European.

Of course. What I don't like is the British nationality being forced on me.

Your argument is fairly selfish. You dislike British identity so you want to abolish the UK so that you don't have to be British, but in doing so you'd be robbing those such as myself who value their British identity of it. We're not stripping you of your Welsh identity, you can call yourself Welsh rather than British if you so desire. But you'd rob millions of others of their British identity.
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Lunas Legion wrote:On that at least we can agree. Currently it's a choice between Red Shit, Blue Shit, Really Shitty Yellow Shit, Racist Purple Shit or Nationalist Shit.

Funnily enough you left the only party which is actually named after the colour and also one of the ones that is not shit.

Funnily enough the one party you consider to be "not shit" is the one party that openly advocates treason.
Glasgia wrote:You cannot keep making unsubstantiated statements. Unless you can prove that raising the minimum wage would result in corporate exodus, mathematically or empirically, then you have no basis for your argument.

Although I favour raising the minimum wage, it must be said that I'm sceptical of the idea that economic forces can be predicted accurately by mathematics when they are influenced so much by human actions and decisions, which are rather unreliable and unpredictable. Maths can't say whether a corporation will relocate its facilities overseas or not, only the board can. Economics isn't a hard science and shouldn't be treated as such.
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:43 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:I approve of the UK, it's a nice buffer between us and the USA.

You'd still have Ireland, were it to face a major zombie apocalypse.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:44 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:I approve of the UK, it's a nice buffer between us and the USA.

You'd still have Ireland, were it to face a major zombie apocalypse.


The USA is huge, we need two buffers :)
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:47 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:I approve of the UK, it's a nice buffer between us and the USA.

You'd still have Ireland, were it to face a major zombie apocalypse.

Dutch accents are a trauma trigger for the Irish. They've never forgotten the Boyne.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:49 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Edgy Opinions wrote:You'd still have Ireland, were it to face a major zombie apocalypse.

Dutch accents are a trauma trigger for the Irish. They've never forgotten the Boyne.


Irish accents are a trauma for travellers across Europe. You never forget a Ryanair flight.
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:08 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Edgy Opinions wrote:You'd still have Ireland, were it to face a major zombie apocalypse.

The USA is huge, we need two buffers :)

I imagine it must be scary for Europeans to be unprotected from a random invasion from the Americas.

(Yes, the comments are obscene nationalism.)
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:25 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Dutch accents are a trauma trigger for the Irish. They've never forgotten the Boyne.


Irish accents are a trauma for travellers across Europe. You never forget a Ryanair flight.


You've been on one? I pity you. :lol:
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Postby Olivaero » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:39 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Olivaero wrote:Funnily enough you left the only party which is actually named after the colour and also one of the ones that is not shit.

Funnily enough the one party you consider to be "not shit" is the one party that openly advocates treason.

I'm actually fairly neutral on the monarchy. But the greens do have the plus of Being open about their policies down to a fault. That certainly qualifies them as not being shit in my book, really I wouldn't have to vote them at all if Old Labour were still around but they aren't. So I do. Meh maybe Milliband will particularly impress me in the lead up to the general but I'm not holding my breath.
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Postby Western-Ukraine » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:50 am

I definitely approve of the United Kingdom. The British past is glorious and their history and culture is rich. They are still clinging on to the only true form of government, monarchy, even if they undermined the monarchs power as time has passed. Sadly the best era of Britain, the Victorianian era is over and the morality and culture is degrading
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:52 am

Western-Ukraine wrote:Sadly the best era of Britain, the Victorianian era is over and the morality and culture is degrading

Bourgeois morality needs to die you like it or not, and we are going to destroy what tries to destroy us. Bourgeois culture is inherently degrading.
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Postby Western-Ukraine » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:54 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:Sadly the best era of Britain, the Victorianian era is over and the morality and culture is degrading

Bourgeois morality needs to die you like it or not, and we are going to destroy what tries to destroy us. Bourgeois culture is inherently degrading.

So you want to see Britain descend to some perverted leftist morality? People then had some respect for stuff, they had some manners and they were more moral than today.
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:55 am

Western-Ukraine wrote:
Edgy Opinions wrote:Bourgeois morality needs to die you like it or not, and we are going to destroy what tries to destroy us. Bourgeois culture is inherently degrading.

So you want to see Britain descend to some perverted leftist morality? People then had some respect for stuff, they had some manners and they were more moral than today.

I want full communism worldwide, hun.
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Postby Chucky Arla » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:56 am

They have some good aspects but I struggle to look past the better part of a century they spent fucking over my home.

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