Do you approve of the United Kingdom?

[The Nihilistic view]

So you want to be Roman?

Please do explain. I think I will enjoy.

Well Wales has been part of England for 700 years (some parts nearly 1000). If after 700 years you still feel you are different what's another 700 years and feeling Roman?

[Costa Fierro]

Wales I believe.

Correct.

So you believe that by being independent, you are going to avoid the mistakes and the crappy politicians that the UK has? You're going to avoid all the pitfalls and other things that you seem to be against?

The truth is that you won't escape them. You'll still get the shitty politicians, the pitfalls and other problems not to mention new problems associated with newly independent states. And the decisions made there will still cause consequences for yourself and future generations.

[Val Halla]

Oh yeah, also. Britain's cities suck. Only half decent one is Lincoln.

[Pesda]

Please do explain. I think I will enjoy.

Well Wales has been part of England for 700 years (some parts nearly 1000). If after 700 years you still feel you are different what's another 700 years and feeling Roman?

There is of course a difference between being ruled by the English, sharing a government with England, and actually being a part of England. No, I don't want to be Roman, or British; I want to be what I am. I do not want people expecting me to be something else.

[Lunas Legion]

Oh yeah, also. Britain's cities suck. Only half decent one is Lincoln.

York isn't that bad, from memory.

[Pesda]

Correct.

So you believe that by being independent, you are going to avoid the mistakes and the crappy politicians that the UK has? You're going to avoid all the pitfalls and other things that you seem to be against?

The truth is that you won't escape them. You'll still get the shitty politicians, the pitfalls and other problems not to mention new problems associated with newly independent states. And the decisions made there will still cause consequences for yourself and future generations.

No, I believe there will be fewer and less stupid mistakes, and fewer crappy politicians. For example, fewer Tories.

[The Nihilistic view]

Well Wales has been part of England for 700 years (some parts nearly 1000). If after 700 years you still feel you are different what's another 700 years and feeling Roman?

There is of course a difference between being ruled by the English, sharing a government with England, and actually being a part of England. No, I don't want to be Roman, or British; I want to be what I am. I do not want people expecting me to be something else.

You can be what you are as well as being British. Since Britain is also a geographical area you would still be British even with independence. Rather like us being European.

[Pesda]

There is of course a difference between being ruled by the English, sharing a government with England, and actually being a part of England. No, I don't want to be Roman, or British; I want to be what I am. I do not want people expecting me to be something else.

You can be what you are as well as being British.

Yes, I can be. What is annoying is that I am expected to be that even though Britishness does not appeal to me.

Since Britain is also a geographical area you would still be British even with independence. Rather like us being European.

Of course. What I don't like is the British nationality being forced on me.

[United Kingdom of Kent]

So you believe that by being independent, you are going to avoid the mistakes and the crappy politicians that the UK has? You're going to avoid all the pitfalls and other things that you seem to be against?

The truth is that you won't escape them. You'll still get the shitty politicians, the pitfalls and other problems not to mention new problems associated with newly independent states. And the decisions made there will still cause consequences for yourself and future generations.

No, I believe there will be fewer and less stupid mistakes, and fewer crappy politicians. For example, fewer Tories.

After all labour is running the devolved powers so well... Please remind me what state the Welsh NHS is in?

[Settrah]

As a brit myself, I'm ambivalent when it comes to the UK. Sometimes I think it's a bit lax on a few things, but other times I think in the grand scheme it's probably one of the better places to live in the world.

I will say this though, we do produce the best comedy.

[Pesda]

No, I believe there will be fewer and less stupid mistakes, and fewer crappy politicians. For example, fewer Tories.

After all labour is running the devolved powers so well... Please remind me what state the Welsh NHS is in?

Please remind me how much of the Welsh government's budget is being cut. The Labour in Wales is crap but they're less crappy than the Westminster Tories.

[The Nihilistic view]

You can be what you are as well as being British.

Yes, I can be. What is annoying is that I am expected to be that even though Britishness does not appeal to me.

Since Britain is also a geographical area you would still be British even with independence. Rather like us being European.

Of course. What I don't like is the British nationality being forced on me.

Depends what you think of by Britishness. When I think of Britishness I think of four countries which have lead the world in so many things good and bad. I think of our individual unique cultures that give our Island nation it's unique character, I don't think of one thing or way that is Britishness.

[Lunas Legion]

After all labour is running the devolved powers so well... Please remind me what state the Welsh NHS is in?

Please remind me how much of the Welsh government's budget is being cut. The Labour in Wales is crap but they're less crappy than the Westminster Tories.

Budget cuts are necessary, and just because Wales is a devolved area doesn't mean they shouldn't have their funding cut like England's is.

[Pesda]

Yes, I can be. What is annoying is that I am expected to be that even though Britishness does not appeal to me.

Of course. What I don't like is the British nationality being forced on me.

Depends what you think of by Britishness. When I think of Britishness I think of four countries which have lead the world in so many things good and bad. I think of our individual unique cultures that give our Island nation it's unique character, I don't think of one thing or way that is Britishness.

For me it is a thing that choose not to share, have no problem with those who like it, and get slightly cheesed off when they expect me to embrace it.

[Pesda]

Please remind me how much of the Welsh government's budget is being cut. The Labour in Wales is crap but they're less crappy than the Westminster Tories.

Budget cuts are necessary, and just because Wales is a devolved area doesn't mean they shouldn't have their funding cut like England's is.

Regardless of whether you are correct, they are caused by crappy politicians.

[Lunas Legion]

Budget cuts are necessary, and just because Wales is a devolved area doesn't mean they shouldn't have their funding cut like England's is.

Regardless of whether you are correct, they are caused by crappy politicians.

On that at least we can agree. Currently it's a choice between Red Shit, Blue Shit, Really Shitty Yellow Shit, Racist Purple Shit or Nationalist Shit.

[Pesda]

Regardless of whether you are correct, they are caused by crappy politicians.

On that at least we can agree. Currently it's a choice between Red Shit, Blue Shit, Really Shitty Yellow Shit, Racist Purple Shit or Nationalist Shit.

Personally I choose a party that opposes austerity.

[Lunas Legion]

On that at least we can agree. Currently it's a choice between Red Shit, Blue Shit, Really Shitty Yellow Shit, Racist Purple Shit or Nationalist Shit.

Personally I choose a party that opposes austerity.

Personally I favour defaulting and partial privatisation of the NHS a la Royal Mail, but that's far too extreme for just about any party in the UK.

[Pesda]

Personally I choose a party that opposes austerity.

Personally I favour defaulting and partial privatisation of the NHS a la Royal Mail, but that's far too extreme for just about any party in the UK.

Hey, lets focus on what unites us -opposition to red blue yellow and purple shit.

[Lunas Legion]

Personally I favour defaulting and partial privatisation of the NHS a la Royal Mail, but that's far too extreme for just about any party in the UK.

Hey, lets focus on what unites us -opposition to red blue yellow and purple shit.

A.k.a the Establishment version 2.

[Tagmatium]

Personally I choose a party that opposes austerity.

Personally I favour defaulting and partial privatisation of the NHS a la Royal Mail, but that's far too extreme for just about any party in the UK.

Because the privatisation of the Royal Mail proved to be more than just an excuse to flog off a public body for cheap, right?

At significantly less than it was worth, and now it also seems to need subsidisation...

[Lunas Legion]

Personally I favour defaulting and partial privatisation of the NHS a la Royal Mail, but that's far too extreme for just about any party in the UK.

Because the privatisation of the Royal Mail proved to be more than just an excuse to flog off a public body for cheap, right?

At significantly less than it was worth, and now it also seems to need subsidisation...

That's just Osborne being an idiot and being too cautious.

[Alyakia]

What's not pleasant about my view? I support keeping people alive and healthy, housed and educated and forcing them to get a job, be it on minimum wage cleaning a McDonalds if it's needed to take them off benefits. If people aren't taking a job because they are better off on benefits, there is something wrong in the system.

you're right. if wages are so shit being on benefits is better they really need to up their game.

Personally I choose a party that opposes austerity.

Personally I favour defaulting and partial privatisation of the NHS a la Royal Mail, but that's far too extreme for just about any party in the UK.

and why the fuck would you do that?

[Southern Hampshire]

What's not pleasant about my view? I support keeping people alive and healthy, housed and educated and forcing them to get a job, be it on minimum wage cleaning a McDonalds if it's needed to take them off benefits. If people aren't taking a job because they are better off on benefits, there is something wrong in the system.

you're right. if wages are so shit being on benefits is better they really need to up their game.

Personally I favour defaulting and partial privatisation of the NHS a la Royal Mail, but that's far too extreme for just about any party in the UK.

and why the fuck would you do that?

yeah because private corporations should increase their wages just for the purpose of comforting a couple of lazy arses

on the other side the more i read these type of conversations the less sympathetic I am to the "hard-times" people have currently on benefits. maybe it will be an incentive to get work.

[Glasgia]

you're right. if wages are so shit being on benefits is better they really need to up their game.



and why the fuck would you do that?

yeah because private corporations should increase their wages just for the purpose of comforting a couple of lazy arses

on the other side the more i read these type of conversations the less sympathetic I am to the "hard-times" people have currently on benefits. maybe it will be an incentive to get work.

You've heard of the minimum wage before, right lad? An increase in the minimum wage would both provide incentive to get people off the benefits you hate so much, create a more stable financial situation for the lowest paid workers and actually results in an increase in household spending