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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:03 am

I can't say I'm surprised. Nor am I unhappy. This was inevitable and smart, thanks to less funding from the US and increased pressure from China and Russia.

And, because there was some confusion, I'd like to point out that Russia is pressuring Japan to end their claims to the South Kuril Islands. I'm not implying that relations between Japan and a Russia are piss poor or anything.
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Postby Risottia » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:28 am

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:I can't say I'm surprised. Nor am I unhappy. This was inevitable and smart, thanks to less funding from the US and increased pressure from China and Russia.

...pressure from Russia in the form of "we're not giving you Sakhalin"? Lolz.
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Postby Risottia » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:30 am

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What land?


Hokkaido! Back to the Ainu!

Uhm... :unsure:
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Postby The Alexanderians » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:30 am

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Liberty and Linguistics wrote:I can't say I'm surprised. Nor am I unhappy. This was inevitable and smart, thanks to less funding from the US and increased pressure from China and Russia.

...pressure from Russia in the form of "we're not giving you Sakhalin"? Lolz.

like seriously russia has no beef with japan
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:36 am

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Liberty and Linguistics wrote:I can't say I'm surprised. Nor am I unhappy. This was inevitable and smart, thanks to less funding from the US and increased pressure from China and Russia.

...pressure from Russia in the form of "we're not giving you Sakhalin"? Lolz.


Essentially, yes. I'm not saying that Russia is threatening war. I'm simply saying that Russia and Japan aren't on the best of terms. No need to stretch my post.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:37 am

The Alexanderians wrote:
Risottia wrote:...pressure from Russia in the form of "we're not giving you Sakhalin"? Lolz.

like seriously russia has no beef with japan


I'm well aware of that. I never implied otherwise. But, they're not on the best of terms, and there are island disputes.
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Postby Untaroicht » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:37 am

If japan wants to ensure it's survival and continued prosperity in the midst of these crucial times, it should rally behind a strong and stern leader, who can autocratically command the military with little to no meddling interference from those in the diet and their plutocratic little worlds. Therefore, I proudly proclaim "Revere the Emperor, Expel the Barbarians!"

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Postby Risottia » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:41 am

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Risottia wrote:...pressure from Russia in the form of "we're not giving you Sakhalin"? Lolz.


Essentially, yes. I'm not saying that Russia is threatening war. I'm simply saying that Russia and Japan aren't on the best of terms.

Which doesn't amount to applying pressure.
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Postby Risottia » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:42 am

Untaroicht wrote:If japan wants to ensure it's survival and continued prosperity in the midst of these crucial times, it should rally behind a strong and stern leader, who can autocratically command the military with little to no meddling interference from those in the diet and their plutocratic little worlds. Therefore, I proudly proclaim "Revere the Emperor, Expel the Barbarians!"

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Time to refloat the Yamato! :D
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:42 am

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Essentially, yes. I'm not saying that Russia is threatening war. I'm simply saying that Russia and Japan aren't on the best of terms.

Which doesn't amount to applying pressure.


Perhaps I misworded my post. But, there is a small amount of pressure from Russia to "give up the islands." It's nothing major, of course.
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Postby Risottia » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:45 am

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Risottia wrote:Which doesn't amount to applying pressure.


Perhaps I misworded my post. But, there is a small amount of pressure from Russia to "give up the islands." It's nothing major, of course.

Which islands? Russia already has Sakhalin and the Kuril'skije. Do you think Russia wants Hokkaido, too?
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:47 am

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Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Perhaps I misworded my post. But, there is a small amount of pressure from Russia to "give up the islands." It's nothing major, of course.

Which islands? Russia already has Sakhalin and the Kuril'skije. Do you think Russia wants Hokkaido, too?


No, of course not. But, Japan claims the southern Kuril Islands. I feel as if you're creating strawmen just so you can be rude. I don't appreciate it.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:49 am

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Risottia wrote:...pressure from Russia in the form of "we're not giving you Sakhalin"? Lolz.

like seriously russia has no beef with japan

Well, Zhirinovsky does, but that's about it.
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Postby Risottia » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:53 am

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Risottia wrote:Which islands? Russia already has Sakhalin and the Kuril'skije. Do you think Russia wants Hokkaido, too?


No, of course not. But, Japan claims the southern Kuril Islands.

Ah. So you admit that it's JAPAN that's trying to get something out of Russia, and not the other way around. That is, Japan is applying pressure on Russia by rebuilding its military, and not the other way around.

I feel as if you're creating strawmen just so you can be rude. I don't appreciate it.

1.Actually, it was you the one who claimed that Russia was applying pressure on Japan. Just to contradict yourself some posts later. Who's strawmanning now?
2.If you think I'm being rude report me in Moderation.
3.Oh yeah, so you don't appreciate being caught in blatant contradiction. Sue me.

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The Alexanderians wrote:like seriously russia has no beef with japan

Well, Zhirinovsky does, but that's about it.

Z'irinovskij, lol, he makes Jelc'in looks like a champion of intelligence and competence.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:57 am

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Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
No, of course not. But, Japan claims the southern Kuril Islands.

Ah. So you admit that it's JAPAN that's trying to get something out of Russia, and not the other way around. That is, Japan is applying pressure on Russia by rebuilding its military, and not the other way around.

I feel as if you're creating strawmen just so you can be rude. I don't appreciate it.

1.Actually, it was you the one who claimed that Russia was applying pressure on Japan. Just to contradict yourself some posts later. Who's strawmanning now?
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:58 am

Risottia wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
No, of course not. But, Japan claims the southern Kuril Islands.

Ah. So you admit that it's JAPAN that's trying to get something out of Russia, and not the other way around. That is, Japan is applying pressure on Russia by rebuilding its military, and not the other way around.

I feel as if you're creating strawmen just so you can be rude. I don't appreciate it.

1.Actually, it was you the one who claimed that Russia was applying pressure on Japan. Just to contradict yourself some posts later. Who's strawmanning now?
2.If you think I'm being rude report me in Moderation.


Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Well, Zhirinovsky does, but that's about it.

Z'irinovskij, lol, he makes Jelc'in looks like a champion of intelligence and competence.


I suppose I misworded my post, then. And, no, I don't see why I'd report you. I simply said that it was a bit of a stretch to say "Oh, you must think Russia wants Hokkaido." A somewhat rude snarky remark isn't warning worthy, you know that well.

Anyways, if you have no basis behind such a claim about Hokkaido, don't make it. And, when I say that Russia is pressuring Japan, I'm implying that Russia is pressuring them to end their claims to the southern Kuril Islands. Japan is also pressuring Russia. Can two countries not pressure each other at once? Lastly, I fail to see how I contradicted myself. I merely said that Russia is slightly pressuring Japan. This is happening because they want Japan to stop claiming the southern Kurils. Is that a contradiction? Really?
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Postby Baltenstein » Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:09 am

I'm wondering what the point in "territorial claims" is anyway. To my knowledge, there hasn't been a single addition from one country's territory to another pre-existing country's territory that wasn't enforced through military means since 1945.
So when you are claiming another country's territory, it comes down to wether you you are ready to to see it through militarily or not. If you (like Japan in the case of the Kurils) exclude the military option, you might as well give up on the claim altogether.
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Postby New Tsavon » Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:10 am

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Postby Baltenstein » Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:12 am

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That'd be a first.


Depending on how you look at it, Poland already annexed German territory twice.
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Postby Karanawa » Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:13 am

Well, It's about time. The world isn't getting any more safe. Japan needs to pull more of it's own weight instead of relying on America for this.
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Postby Organized States » Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:16 am

Baltenstein wrote:I'm wondering what the point in "territorial claims" is anyway. To my knowledge, there hasn't been a single addition from one country's territory to another pre-existing country's territory that wasn't enforced through military means since 1945.
So when you are claiming another country's territory, it comes down to wether you you are ready to to see it through militarily. If you (like Japan in the case of the Kurils) exclude the military option, you might as well give up on the claim altogether.

The Sino-Indian War is the only one I know of that has resulted in territoral changes since World War 2 (it's still disputed as well), but the area is pretty small and rather insignificant.
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Postby Patria Magna » Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:17 am

The Conez Imperium wrote:That's a lot of defense...This will only inflame tensions in the Asian region. Do we have the beginnings of an Asian arms race?

However if there is one saving grace, unlike their fathers the younger generation of Chinese do not outright hate the Japanese or hate them to the previous extent. Hopefully after a generation or so all will be forgiven...


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Postby Calimera II » Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:20 am

I am fine with it.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:21 am

Risottia wrote:
Untaroicht wrote:If japan wants to ensure it's survival and continued prosperity in the midst of these crucial times, it should rally behind a strong and stern leader, who can autocratically command the military with little to no meddling interference from those in the diet and their plutocratic little worlds. Therefore, I proudly proclaim "Revere the Emperor, Expel the Barbarians!"

It's high-time the land of the rising sun returned to the world stage in control of it's own destiny!

Time to refloat the Yamato! :D

Here's hoping they do, it'll be piss-easy to sink all over again.
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