Should Rape be Punishable by Death?

[Hirota]

Also, there's the issue of sociopathy. Sociopaths cannot be rehabilitated or corrected by punishment, sociopathy being an inherent condition, so the safest measure for society would be simply to terminate them with extreme prejudice, and a significant number of criminals doing time for serious crimes meet the criteria of sociopathy. Present legal systems fail to deal with this significant threat.

You complain about Sociopaths, and suggest a solution that only a sociopath would advocate. The mental gymnastics required to justify that level of hypocrisy is amazing.

[Imperializt Russia]

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Nothing should be punishable by death. Rehabilitation all the way.

Yeah... Let's give those monsters a second chance. I guess you lack empahty for the victims of such cases. If not, how could you mean such a grusome thing?
You have the choice, defend the innocents or defend the offenders`? You cannot chose both. For every tenth rapist you let out, one person will be raped. Can you live with that?
Of course you can, you care more about the rapist than the victim. While I would rate one innocent over a thousand thousand rapists, you prefer one rapist to one innocent....
Human right extremists these days. There's obviously no reason to allow everyone to have human rights. Commiting rape is a good way of removing all rights, to say the least

You seem unable to form a logical, reasonable opinion.

I suggest you re-evaluate your decision to engage in debate on public forum.

[Torisakia]

Nothing should be punishable by death. Rehabilitation all the way.

Yeah... Let's give those monsters a second chance. I guess you lack empahty for the victims of such cases. If not, how could you mean such a grusome thing?
You have the choice, defend the innocents or defend the offenders`? You cannot chose both. For every tenth rapist you let out, one person will be raped. Can you live with that?
Of course you can, you care more about the rapist than the victim. While I would rate one innocent over a thousand thousand rapists, you prefer one rapist to one innocent....
Human right extremists these days. There's obviously no reason to allow everyone to have human rights. Commiting rape is a good way of removing all rights, to say the least

By that logic, everyone who commits a crime (no matter how small and insignificant) should be given the death penalty. I'm no human rights extremeist myself (I too feel that not everyone is deserving of rights), or pro-Rehab, but you probably need to think more logically about these kinds of things.

[Herrebrugh]

I'm against the death penalty, so no.

[West Aurelia]

because doing that means that killing their victims is automatically advantageous to the rapist - the punishment doesn't get any worse if they do get convicted, and the risk of getting convicted drops, since it removes a (and quite likely, the only) witness.

Very well thought out.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

Also, there's the issue of sociopathy. Sociopaths cannot be rehabilitated or corrected by punishment, sociopathy being an inherent condition, so the safest measure for society would be simply to terminate them with extreme prejudice, and a significant number of criminals doing time for serious crimes meet the criteria of sociopathy. Present legal systems fail to deal with this significant threat.

You complain about Sociopaths, and suggest a solution that only a sociopath would advocate. The mental gymnastics required to justify that level of hypocrisy is amazing.

Not at all. Unlike a genuine sociopath, I do not pose an inherent danger to society. However, neither am I content with the idea of idly letting someone who has already established a reputation as a remorseless and inherently dangerous person roam around, threatening my safety, or the safety of my fellow citizens.

Suppose you are a shepherd, and there's a wolf's lair near your pasture. You know the beast isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and you know it won't stop killing your sheep simply because you ask it nicely to. But you have a shotgun which could permanently solve your missing sheep problem. Would you really attempt to capture and tame the wolf, hoping that it would learn to eat dog food instead of sheep, do tricks and be a good and trustworthy companion? Even provided you succeeded in taming the wolf to some degree, would you trust it around your sheep, knowing that it's a hunter and killer by definition? Or would you just take that gun and go get yourself a nice wolf pelt to keep you warm in winter, knowing your sheep are safe and sound?

I fail to see how advocating an aggressive, effective and permanent response to a genuine threat is comparable to sociopathy, which is basically an incurable maladaption of human predatory instincts. If a dog becomes rabid, it is put down before it can harm anyone, and I fail to see why that should be any different with humans.

[Socialist Tera]

Rehabilitation and separate the prisoner from society in high security prison. By having the death penalty for rapist, you are encouraging a rape crime to turn into a rape and murder crime. Death Penalty should only be used on terrorists and mass murderers.

[Hirota]

You complain about Sociopaths, and suggest a solution that only a sociopath would advocate. The mental gymnastics required to justify that level of hypocrisy is amazing.

Not at all. Unlike a genuine sociopath, I do not pose an inherent danger to society. However, neither am I content with the idea of idly letting someone who has already established a reputation as a remorseless and inherently dangerous person roam around, threatening my safety, or the safety of my fellow citizens.

With your "suggestion",you've firmly established that reputation as a remorseless and inherent danger to vast swathes of society. You should be at the front of the queue.

The fact you can't recognise your hypocrisy just adds to the lunacy of your suggestion.

[Seangoli]

I oppose the death penalty in almost every regard.

So no.

[MERIZoC]

Rehabilitation and separate the prisoner from society in high security prison. By having the death penalty for rapist, you are encouraging a rape crime to turn into a rape and murder crime. Death Penalty should only be used on terrorists and mass murderers.

So if I dump your tea into the harbor as an act of protest, I should be killed? Seems harsh.

[-The West Coast-]

Not at all. Capital punishment isn't good. It gives serial killers, or just plain old fucked up criminals a reason to commit crime. Capital punishment makes them immortal. Do you want crazy, blood thirsty rapists to be immortal, talked about and always on peoples' minds like serial killers are today? If they die alone in prison after decades of no press, no acknowledgement, that is a better punishment.

[Imperializt Russia]

Rehabilitation and separate the prisoner from society in high security prison. By having the death penalty for rapist, you are encouraging a rape crime to turn into a rape and murder crime. Death Penalty should only be used on terrorists and mass murderers.

So if I dump your tea into the harbor as an act of protest, I should be killed? Seems harsh.

The Boston Tea Party was an act of criminal damage, like if Greenpeace boarded a Russian oil rig.
It's not terrorism.

The Battle of Lexington and Concord could be spun as terrorism, had the revolutionaries lost.

[Butballs]

No. Death shouldn't be an option for something someone did for sexual pleasure. It's natural in humans, and shouldn't even be a concern.

[Imperializt Russia]

No. Death shouldn't be an option for something someone did for sexual pleasure. It's natural in humans, and shouldn't even be a concern.

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[Blakullar]

Not at all. Unlike a genuine sociopath, I do not pose an inherent danger to society. However, neither am I content with the idea of idly letting someone who has already established a reputation as a remorseless and inherently dangerous person roam around, threatening my safety, or the safety of my fellow citizens.

With your "suggestion",you've firmly established that reputation as a remorseless and inherent danger to vast swathes of society. You should be at the front of the queue.

The fact you can't recognise your hypocrisy just adds to the lunacy of your suggestion.

I'm going to have to chime in here. I can't resist putting forward my opinion, even if I find myself leaping to the defence of my ideological polar opposite.

I cannot see how someone expressing their support for executing sociopathic rapists is "a remorseless and inherent danger to vast swathes of society". Also, you don't seem to have championed your own cause by forwarding a counter-argument. Imperium Sidhicum has made a good argument for executing rapists through the wolf and sheep analogy - I see no counterargument from yourself, and I really don't think calling him a hypocrite counts.

If you won't buy the protection argument I present to you the retribution argument. A person sexually attacked by a sociopath - the attacker we have already established as being immune to psychological treatment - is going to be scarred for life by that encounter, no question about that. The attacker is entirely unrepentant and will almost certainly reoffend if they are released from prison, which they will if current trends of "life" sentences are kept up. Even if they are kept banged up, whether in a prison or a mental asylum, for life they will still effectively be subsidised by the victim and their family, through tax revenue. Perhaps then it would indeed be cheaper as well as just to be off with their head.

My personal opinion is that they, and other dangerous criminals, shouldn't be executed, but rather put to work in conditions that will ensure they make up the cost for their upkeep. As far as I am concerned, the rapist gave up his/her human rights when they committed their evil crime(s).

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No. Death shouldn't be an option for something someone did for sexual pleasure. It's natural in humans, and shouldn't even be a concern.

Something tells me you wouldn't be saying that if you or someone close to you had been raped.

[Imperializt Russia]

A person sexually attacked by a sociopath - the attacker we have already established as being immune to psychological treatment - is going to be scarred for life by that encounter, no question about that.

At what point was this ever "established"?

[Imperium Sidhicum]

Not at all. Unlike a genuine sociopath, I do not pose an inherent danger to society. However, neither am I content with the idea of idly letting someone who has already established a reputation as a remorseless and inherently dangerous person roam around, threatening my safety, or the safety of my fellow citizens.

With your "suggestion",you've firmly established that reputation as a remorseless and inherent danger to vast swathes of society. You should be at the front of the queue.

The fact you can't recognise your hypocrisy just adds to the lunacy of your suggestion.

Please, enlighten me. How is preventively destroying a known and established threat dangerous to society at large?

If a known terrorist plans a bombing of a crowded train, should he be allowed to proceed and only be prosecuted after the act? Should a rogue state be allowed to threaten world peace and allowed to grow powerful enough to start a war on it's own terms? Should a deadly disease be allowed to spread internationally before taking any preventive measures?

By your logic, it sure seems the answer is "yes" to all of them.

[Imperializt Russia]

Nice strawman.

[Ostroeuropa]

Not at all. Capital punishment isn't good. It gives serial killers, or just plain old fucked up criminals a reason to commit crime. Capital punishment makes them immortal. Do you want crazy, blood thirsty rapists to be immortal, talked about and always on peoples' minds like serial killers are today? If they die alone in prison after decades of no press, no acknowledgement, that is a better punishment.

This btw.
It's also why the long, ceremonial, tedious, arduous and PUBLIC process of the court is important. You rob them of a climactic ending.
You don't treat them like some misunderstood martyr or hero or sympathetic victim of circumstance.

You treat them like just another thing to be administratively gotten through. Par for the course.
A source of tedium and such.

A villainous conspiracy that ends in the villains death will usually get people remarking on how they almost got away with it and how cool it is.
With rape that might not happen, but it does with murder these days, and might with rape if we cause glamorized endings.

If the person is instead treated the same as any purse snatcher or shoplifter, albeit with a longer treatment, it robs them of power.
We don't require additional response, because what happened wasn't enough to break the system.
Implying that a person is so evil and fucked up that we simply cannot think of anything to do but kill them, that's a kind of glamorization.
Or infamization.

[Blakullar]

A person sexually attacked by a sociopath - the attacker we have already established as being immune to psychological treatment - is going to be scarred for life by that encounter, no question about that.

At what point was this ever "established"?

I'm using Imperium Sidhicum's hypothetical example of an unrepentant sociopath who resists rehabilitation.

[Imperializt Russia]

At what point was this ever "established"?

I'm using Imperium Sidhicum's hypothetical example of an unrepentant sociopath who resists rehabilitation.

So, never.

[Cymrea]

Rape tends to be punishable by rape, within many prison populations.

[Hirota]

With your "suggestion",you've firmly established that reputation as a remorseless and inherent danger to vast swathes of society. You should be at the front of the queue.

The fact you can't recognise your hypocrisy just adds to the lunacy of your suggestion.

Please, enlighten me. How is preventively destroying a known and established threat dangerous to society at large?

You've not proven that sociopaths are an "established threat dangerous to society at large." Your clumsy analogy is as flawed and as baseless as your assertions.

[Ostroeuropa]

Incidentally, we should consider conviction rates.
Already they are pretty low for rape.
I suspect they'd drop further if you introduced this as juries get less willing to convict.

And beyond even that, what about reporting rates?
Much as the victims desire justice, I don't think it's too out there to propose that many would hold back specifically because they don't want to be indirectly responsible for someones death.

[Ostroeuropa]

Rape tends to be punishable by rape, within many prison populations.

That's a bug, not a feature.