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Postby Atlanticatia » Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:13 pm

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Atlanticatia wrote:Not going to lie, my first reaction would be to leave somewhere if I saw someone open carrying. I'd feel uncomfortable. I've never seen anyone do it around here though. (NJ)

But like, those people who bring military style weapons (and any kind of firearm in general) into Wal-Mart? I'd be out of there in a second if I saw that. :lol2:

I do think that if people are going to open carry they shouldn't bring them into public places like stores where people might not want to be around that. Just out of courtesy to other people. You don't need to bring your AK-47 to the local grocery store. Standing in a grocery aisle next to someone who's armed to the teeth isn't exactly an experience I want to have.

Oh sure, I never liked the folks who carried long-arms into stores (barring situations in hunting season where the other option was leaving it in a vehicle unattended which falls under 'extenuating circumstances'), even the protests that do such I'd object to (go to a state park or something, not Wal-Mart or Target). That said, I've seen enough people carrying pistols into stores where I live (often because, again, the other option is leaving them in the vehicle which isn't a good idea) that it doesn't bother me, and I'd consider a fright of such without any other factors as a bit ridiculous, but to each their own.

Different states, different cultures. Where I live when I open-carried (due to me letting my CCL lapse for a while) the most common reaction was someone inquiring what I was carrying and making small-talk on the subject. The most negative it ever got was someone incredulously asking me 'What do you think you need a gun for?' to which my 'Nothing right now, I just carry it everywhere because I do a lot of work out in the woods.' was a perfectly satisfactory answer.

I can see how the action gets tamped down somewhat and perceived as less normal or necessary by living in a city that isn't within twenty miles of national forest or state forest lands.

Ripoll wrote:I completely agree with personally speaking, it's bad enough being in the same store with people who dress improperly, but being in a room with armed strangers? The only armed people I'm comfortable with are the Coast Guard, National Guard, local police departments, state police departments, and the Secret Service.

I don't know, judging by some of the police I've dealt with, I'm decidedly uncomfortable with them having firearms compared to some of the strangers I see carrying. (This is mainly a rhetorical headstand of your point, and primarily sarcastic/ironic)

It's also confusing in many states because CCL licenses are shall-issue much of the time and you'll never have the warning of knowing they have a firearm. In some ways I'd say open-carrying is a bit more friendly to those who are uncomfortable with firearms precisely because it lets you know and warns you who your (somewhat irrational and I'd say prejudiced and unfair) concerns should be focused on. Though that argument over concealed versus open I go back and forth on on a very situational basis.


Yeah, I agree that things are probably different depending where you live. I live in a very densely populated area and there aren't really any areas near me where you'd go hunting etc. Openly carrying a gun into a store in NYC would probably get you kicked out of the store or the police called (if you're even able to get a permit). Whereas open carrying a gun in, say, a rural area of Montana might be a bit different.

In general, though, I just feel uncomfortable around guns. I've only shot one once when I did Boy Scouts when I was, like, ten years old. They just make me kind of uneasy.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:12 pm

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You forgot to mention one minor detail: Can afford one and is legally allowed to own one.


And how do we prove who is legally allowed to own one without a licensing and registration requirement?


FFLs are required to run a background check on every firearm they sell. One was run on me the first time I purchased a firearm, and that was before I had a CT pistol permit. Every other firearm I've purchased has triggered (pun semi-intended) a background check as well, since I've ONLY purchased firearms through FFLs.
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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:54 pm

The alternative to open-carry is much worse than open-carry. Many anti-gun people and obviously none of those that would rather have concealed over open carry fail to realize this. By that point you're making the decision to be blissfully unaware of what's going on around you and giving up knowing whether someone is carrying a gun or not to satisfy your unfounded phobias. Which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever especially for an anti-gun person.
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:49 pm

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:The alternative to open-carry is much worse than open-carry. Many anti-gun people and obviously none of those that would rather have concealed over open carry fail to realize this. By that point you're making the decision to be blissfully unaware of what's going on around you and giving up knowing whether someone is carrying a gun or not to satisfy your unfounded phobias. Which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever especially for an anti-gun person.

I actually prefer concealed carry to open carry; being "blissfully unaware" of whether the people around me are armed or not doesn't bother me at all — and it removes the possibility of sociopathic assholes using subtle hints and body language in order to legally intimidate anyone around them who might be unarmed.

I mean, if a dirtbag nastily asks you to move to a different table at the restaurant or to give up your parking space, you're probably going to flip him off. But if an armed nastily dirtbag asks you to move to a different table at the restaurant or to give up your parking space, you're probably going to give it to him, because you can never be certain that he won't come unglued and go off on you if you don't let him have his way.

Of course, gun buffs will answer that if you have a gun, he won't do that. THAT'S what they mean when they call an armed society "polite": If you carry a gun, people will treat you with respect. To me, that's sick: The idea that you need to carry and display lethal force in order to ensure that people treat you like a human being — and that if you're too "weak" to carry a gun you DESERVE to be treated like slime — is repulsive beyond description, and I have no desire whatsoever to live in a place where that's the social convention, however "manly" it might seem to some.
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:51 pm

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DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:The alternative to open-carry is much worse than open-carry. Many anti-gun people and obviously none of those that would rather have concealed over open carry fail to realize this. By that point you're making the decision to be blissfully unaware of what's going on around you and giving up knowing whether someone is carrying a gun or not to satisfy your unfounded phobias. Which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever especially for an anti-gun person.

I actually prefer concealed carry to open carry; being "blissfully unaware" of whether the people around me are armed or not doesn't bother me at all — and it removes the possibility of sociopathic assholes using subtle hints and body language in order to legally intimidate anyone around them who might be unarmed.

I mean, if a dirtbag nastily asks you to move to a different table at the restaurant or to give up your parking space, you're probably going to flip him off. But if an armed nastily dirtbag asks you to move to a different table at the restaurant or to give up your parking space, you're probably going to give it to him, because you can never be certain that he won't come unglued and go off on you if you don't let him have his way.

Of course, gun buffs will answer that if you have a gun, he won't do that. THAT'S what they mean when they call an armed society "polite": If you have a gun, people will treat you with respect. To me, that's sick: The idea that you need to carry lethal force to ensure that people treat you like a human being, and that if you're too "weak" to carry a gun, you DESERVE to be treated like slime is repulsive beyond description, and I have no desire whatsoever to live in a place where that's the social convention, however "manly" it might seem to some.


It's a Might Makes Right mentality that they find appealing. And it's not new, look at those douchebag "My Neighbor Doesn't Carry a Gun" signs intended to inflict robberies on people whose only crime is not carrying a firearm. It's a miracle there hasn't been a sociopath who took a gun to be a blank check and really played out nightmare scenarios.
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Postby Cannabis Islands » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:45 pm

Let me clarify my position on this issue.

I, don't support the banning of any type of gun or rifle. I don't support mag clip limits.

In fact, I just support expanding background checks on mental health and criminal history.

If is one's mental illness is deemed dangerous to themselves and others, has a history of unlawful violence, is convicted of a felony, then I support restrictions on those people. I do that that civilians should go through some gun safety training before being able to purchase a gun and I believe that those should be offered by the state, but not in school and for those under 18, parental consent and involvement is required.

But it seems that people took my words as that I want a total gun ban....hmmm..
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Postby Republic of Coldwater » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:49 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
And how do we prove who is legally allowed to own one without a licensing and registration requirement?


FFLs are required to run a background check on every firearm they sell. One was run on me the first time I purchased a firearm, and that was before I had a CT pistol permit. Every other firearm I've purchased has triggered (pun semi-intended) a background check as well, since I've ONLY purchased firearms through FFLs.

Or you can buy a 80% lower and then pay someone to mill it for you if you don't have the expertise and/or the equipment or just do it yourself, and then buy some other stuff to make it a legal, but unregistered lower receiver, not to mention that you can also 3D print a lower receiver, and with designs becoming increasingly strong and able to resist recoil, and 3D printers becoming more widespread, gun control and FFL background checks would become virtually impossible.

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Postby Cannabis Islands » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:54 pm

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FFLs are required to run a background check on every firearm they sell. One was run on me the first time I purchased a firearm, and that was before I had a CT pistol permit. Every other firearm I've purchased has triggered (pun semi-intended) a background check as well, since I've ONLY purchased firearms through FFLs.

Or you can buy a 80% lower and then pay someone to mill it for you if you don't have the expertise and/or the equipment or just do it yourself, and then buy some other stuff to make it a legal, but unregistered lower receiver, not to mention that you can also 3D print a lower receiver, and with designs becoming increasingly strong and able to resist recoil, and 3D printers becoming more widespread, gun control and FFL background checks would become virtually impossible.


This is true, but I wonder with nations that have a true ban on civilian ownership of guns are going to react to the 3D issue...
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:47 pm

Cannabis Islands wrote:
Republic of Coldwater wrote:Or you can buy a 80% lower and then pay someone to mill it for you if you don't have the expertise and/or the equipment or just do it yourself, and then buy some other stuff to make it a legal, but unregistered lower receiver, not to mention that you can also 3D print a lower receiver, and with designs becoming increasingly strong and able to resist recoil, and 3D printers becoming more widespread, gun control and FFL background checks would become virtually impossible.


This is true, but I wonder with nations that have a true ban on civilian ownership of guns are going to react to the 3D issue...


If they were thinking ahead they'd track the sales of printers and maybe even register them.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:50 pm

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FFLs are required to run a background check on every firearm they sell. One was run on me the first time I purchased a firearm, and that was before I had a CT pistol permit. Every other firearm I've purchased has triggered (pun semi-intended) a background check as well, since I've ONLY purchased firearms through FFLs.

Or you can buy a 80% lower and then pay someone to mill it for you if you don't have the expertise and/or the equipment or just do it yourself, and then buy some other stuff to make it a legal, but unregistered lower receiver, not to mention that you can also 3D print a lower receiver, and with designs becoming increasingly strong and able to resist recoil, and 3D printers becoming more widespread, gun control and FFL background checks would become virtually impossible.


Only if that person has a manufacturers license. 80% receivers are so YOU can make your own firearm.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

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Postby Cannabis Islands » Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:52 pm

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This is true, but I wonder with nations that have a true ban on civilian ownership of guns are going to react to the 3D issue...


If they were thinking ahead they'd track the sales of printers and maybe even register them.


Eh, I would have an issue with that. That is a way too fucking big brother for me. Besides, 3D printers are can be used more for just guns.
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Postby Spreewerke » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:06 pm

Cannabis Islands wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
If they were thinking ahead they'd track the sales of printers and maybe even register them.


Eh, I would have an issue with that. That is a way too fucking big brother for me. Besides, 3D printers are can be used more for just guns.



Well, guns can be used for more than just shooting people, so...

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Postby Cannabis Islands » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:12 pm

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Eh, I would have an issue with that. That is a way too fucking big brother for me. Besides, 3D printers are can be used more for just guns.



Well, guns can be used for more than just shooting people, so...


I know that, fuck! I even defend the right of people to own guns, the right seems to still hate for it. Liking the 2nd amendment is not good enough anymore, you have to be in love with fucking guns. Look. I defend the right to own a gun, and I brought a handgun legally with all the things needed for local, state and federal law for home protection, but don't come to me to adopt a fucking a gun fetish.

And o, I love bringing my gun to the local shooting rage and shoot targets. Yeah, its fun but I am not going to make guns the main reason I breath. I just look at them as a tool one should use responsibility.

But it seems that the right now believes that if you think that there should be background checks on all sales, including gun shows, you're a communist that wants to ban all guns.

Dude, I know you love guns, and that's fine. Nobody, especially me are trying to take your guns away. So, you don't have to come to me and say guns can be used another things than shooting people.

Okay, angry rant over.
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Postby Spreewerke » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:54 pm

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Spreewerke wrote:

Well, guns can be used for more than just shooting people, so...


I know that, fuck! I even defend the right of people to own guns, the right seems to still hate for it. Liking the 2nd amendment is not good enough anymore, you have to be in love with fucking guns. Look. I defend the right to own a gun, and I brought a handgun legally with all the things needed for local, state and federal law for home protection, but don't come to me to adopt a fucking a gun fetish.

And o, I love bringing my gun to the local shooting rage and shoot targets. Yeah, its fun but I am not going to make guns the main reason I breath. I just look at them as a tool one should use responsibility.

But it seems that the right now believes that if you think that there should be background checks on all sales, including gun shows, you're a communist that wants to ban all guns.

Dude, I know you love guns, and that's fine. Nobody, especially me are trying to take your guns away. So, you don't have to come to me and say guns can be used another things than shooting people.

Okay, angry rant over.



You said 3D printers shouldn't be tightly regulated because there is such a small chance of people using them to make guns. By this logic, guns shouldn't need their restrictions increased from what they are currently (lessened, if anything), because there is such a small chance of people using them to kill someone. However, you have shown this is not your opinion, if I'm reading you correctly, and I am failing to understand why.

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Postby Cannabis Islands » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:06 pm

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I know that, fuck! I even defend the right of people to own guns, the right seems to still hate for it. Liking the 2nd amendment is not good enough anymore, you have to be in love with fucking guns. Look. I defend the right to own a gun, and I brought a handgun legally with all the things needed for local, state and federal law for home protection, but don't come to me to adopt a fucking a gun fetish.

And o, I love bringing my gun to the local shooting rage and shoot targets. Yeah, its fun but I am not going to make guns the main reason I breath. I just look at them as a tool one should use responsibility.

But it seems that the right now believes that if you think that there should be background checks on all sales, including gun shows, you're a communist that wants to ban all guns.

Dude, I know you love guns, and that's fine. Nobody, especially me are trying to take your guns away. So, you don't have to come to me and say guns can be used another things than shooting people.

Okay, angry rant over.



You said 3D printers shouldn't be tightly regulated because there is such a small chance of people using them to make guns. By this logic, guns shouldn't need their restrictions increased from what they are currently (lessened, if anything), because there is such a small chance of people using them to kill someone. However, you have shown this is not your opinion, if I'm reading you correctly, and I am failing to understand why.


Please quote were I said civilians should not be able to own gun(s). Please post the exact quote.

Firstly, yes, guns should be tightly regulated because they are dangerous and they are not a fucking toy. Just like cars are tightly regulated, so should guns. But you seem to be following this new idea on the right that if someone says there should be expanded background checks on gun sales, you're a gun grabber. Nobody is trying to take you're fucking AR-15s, Heckler & Koch MP5s or whatever away from you. And just because I don't fucking scream "I'm a proud gun owner" does not mean I hate guns...because I fucking own one. And you know what? I was happy to go through all state and federal laws to buy my .357 Magnum. I did not buy at a gun show just because of added convince or to try to get away from the law, because I had no reason to get away from the law.

So, please don't use the false equivalence that I want to take your guns away. Shit, why does it seem that the Right views gun eucharistically? As a legal AND responsible gun owner, I don't get it.
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Postby Spreewerke » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:25 pm

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You said 3D printers shouldn't be tightly regulated because there is such a small chance of people using them to make guns. By this logic, guns shouldn't need their restrictions increased from what they are currently (lessened, if anything), because there is such a small chance of people using them to kill someone. However, you have shown this is not your opinion, if I'm reading you correctly, and I am failing to understand why.


Please quote were I said civilians should not be able to own gun(s). Please post the exact quote.

Firstly, yes, guns should be tightly regulated because they are dangerous and they are not a fucking toy. Just like cars are tightly regulated, so should guns. But you seem to be following this new idea on the right that if someone says there should be expanded background checks on gun sales, you're a gun grabber. Nobody is trying to take you're fucking AR-15s, Heckler & Koch MP5s or whatever away from you. And just because I don't fucking scream "I'm a proud gun owner" does not mean I hate guns...because I fucking own one. And you know what? I was happy to go through all state and federal laws to buy my .357 Magnum. I did not buy at a gun show just because of added convince or to try to get away from the law, because I had no reason to get away from the law.

So, please don't use the false equivalence that I want to take your guns away. Shit, why does it seem that the Right views gun eucharistically? As a legal AND responsible gun owner, I don't get it.


You know, you wouldn't have to type so much if you just replied to what I said instead of what you pretended I said.

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Postby Cannabis Islands » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:29 pm

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Please quote were I said civilians should not be able to own gun(s). Please post the exact quote.

Firstly, yes, guns should be tightly regulated because they are dangerous and they are not a fucking toy. Just like cars are tightly regulated, so should guns. But you seem to be following this new idea on the right that if someone says there should be expanded background checks on gun sales, you're a gun grabber. Nobody is trying to take you're fucking AR-15s, Heckler & Koch MP5s or whatever away from you. And just because I don't fucking scream "I'm a proud gun owner" does not mean I hate guns...because I fucking own one. And you know what? I was happy to go through all state and federal laws to buy my .357 Magnum. I did not buy at a gun show just because of added convince or to try to get away from the law, because I had no reason to get away from the law.

So, please don't use the false equivalence that I want to take your guns away. Shit, why does it seem that the Right views gun eucharistically? As a legal AND responsible gun owner, I don't get it.


You know, you wouldn't have to type so much if you just replied to what I said instead of what you pretended I said.


You said "However, you have shown this is not your opinion, if I'm reading you correctly, and I am failing to understand why". I never said that I wanted a civilian ban on guns. Never. So, what position haven't I made clear until now? What was did you think my position was?
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Postby Spreewerke » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:30 pm

Cannabis Islands wrote:
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You know, you wouldn't have to type so much if you just replied to what I said instead of what you pretended I said.


What do you mean by what I bolded? I never said that I wanted a civilian ban on guns. Never. So, what position haven't I made clear until now?


You're going to have to directly quote whatever you bolded. It did not appear in your post.

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Postby Cannabis Islands » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:35 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
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What do you mean by what I bolded? I never said that I wanted a civilian ban on guns. Never. So, what position haven't I made clear until now?


You're going to have to directly quote whatever you bolded. It did not appear in your post.


Please see edited post, if you haven't already.
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:39 pm

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Eh, I would have an issue with that. That is a way too fucking big brother for me. Besides, 3D printers are can be used more for just guns.



Well, guns can be used for more than just shooting people, so...

So can nail guns, and they're also restricted.

It seems pretty foolish to think that 3D printers wouldn't be restricted on some level given what sort of capabilities and potential they have.
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Postby Spreewerke » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:40 pm

Cannabis Islands wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:
You're going to have to directly quote whatever you bolded. It did not appear in your post.


Please see edited post, if you haven't already.


I was saying that you were against regulation with 3D printers because printing guns with this is insanely uncommon, yet you then said you were all for increased regulation of firearms even though their use in crime (compared to how many are out there total) is also quite uncommon. If both harmful uses of either item are quite uncommon, why are you saying one doesn't need any more regulation while the other does? Both are tools.

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Postby Cascadeland » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:07 am

because you can never be certain that he won't come unglued and go off on you if you don't let him have his way.


You DO realize that is a uncommon scenario, and the few perpetrators that "acted" on their emotions while armed were charged of murder, right? in the very least, additional charges due to them carrying a gun?

Since it is a very expensive and costly situation to beat a murder charge, your average law abiding gun owner is not going to be inclined to be confrontational if he/she is carrying.

If you have a gun, people will treat you with respect.


Not necessarily. If this were the case, defensive gun uses wouldn't be commonplace.

And it's not new, look at those douchebag "My Neighbor Doesn't Carry a Gun" signs intended to inflict robberies on people whose only crime is not carrying a firearm.


In response to Gauthier, this came about because certain douchebags in the media thought they would make a point from the anti-gun, moral panic soapbox by publishing the addresses of concealed weapons license holders...

Of course I dont find it acceptable, but it didn't just come out of the blue.

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Postby The Conez Imperium » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:20 am

Wait why do people need to openly carry firearms?
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The Conez Imperium wrote:Wait why do people need to openly carry firearms?


Because not openly carrying a firearm is granting explicit permission for anyone to rob, rape, beat and murder you apparently.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:06 am

The Conez Imperium wrote:Wait why do people need to openly carry firearms?


The same reason for carrying concealed: Self defense.

Jeez, this in not rocket science. :roll:
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