The Greatest Gun Bill Ever

[Spirit of Hope]

And the same could be said about guns, since 1992 the homicide rate has almost decreased by half.

The homicide rate by guns?

Gun homicide total numbers have decreased 39% from 1993 to 2011.
Nonfatal firearms crimes have decreased 69% over that same time period.
Source
The rate dropped from ~7 in 100,000 to ~3.8 in 100,000

[Gauthier]

The homicide rate by guns?

Gun homicide total numbers have decreased 39% from 1993 to 2011.
Nonfatal firearms crimes have decreased 69% over that same time period.
Source
The rate dropped from ~7 in 100,000 to ~3.8 in 100,000

And you're saying that they dropped without regulations implemented?

[Spirit of Hope]

Gun homicide total numbers have decreased 39% from 1993 to 2011.
Nonfatal firearms crimes have decreased 69% over that same time period.
Source
The rate dropped from ~7 in 100,000 to ~3.8 in 100,000

And you're saying that they dropped without regulations implemented?

There were some regulations imposed over this time period, which might have had an effect. I don't have the time or data to tell you why it happened only that it did.

[Imperializt Russia]

Gun homicide total numbers have decreased 39% from 1993 to 2011.
Nonfatal firearms crimes have decreased 69% over that same time period.
Source
The rate dropped from ~7 in 100,000 to ~3.8 in 100,000

And you're saying that they dropped without regulations implemented?

Firearms not handguns dropped in homicides committed with relative steadiness from 1976 to 2004.
Handgun homicides exploded from the mid 1980s to 1993, then dropped to the same level in the mid 80s by 1999, and stayed at about that level to 2004. The chart ends in 2004, of course.

In 1994, the Assault Weapon Ban was introduced. It had little to no impact on the use of long arms in homicides. It also introduced a raft of other measures, such as criminalising gang membership. This measure alone probably had a significant impact on the use of handguns in homicide.
Handgun use in homicide stopped declining in 1998, the year NICS was introduced.

[Mike the Progressive]

The homicide rate by guns?

Gun homicide total numbers have decreased 39% from 1993 to 2011.
Nonfatal firearms crimes have decreased 69% over that same time period.
Source
The rate dropped from ~7 in 100,000 to ~3.8 in 100,000

I know. But the cause is contested.

Tbh, I don't think with anything the Dems are throwing out there atm will reduce gun violence.

[Spirit of Hope]

Gun homicide total numbers have decreased 39% from 1993 to 2011.
Nonfatal firearms crimes have decreased 69% over that same time period.
Source
The rate dropped from ~7 in 100,000 to ~3.8 in 100,000

I know. But the cause is contested.

Tbh, I don't think with anything the Dems are throwing out there atm will reduce gun violence.

I think either a requirement for a background check with every gun transfer, or with criminalizing "negligent firearm sale" would be a good idea.

[Mike the Progressive]

I know. But the cause is contested.

Tbh, I don't think with anything the Dems are throwing out there atm will reduce gun violence.

I think either a requirement for a background check with every gun transfer, or with criminalizing "negligent firearm sale" would be a good idea.

Personally, I'd like to see them ban handguns entirely (except for retired cops, PIs, etc.) and a renewal on the assault weapons ban. From there, reduce firearm usage by non-federal police forces and hopefully reduce the likelihood of everybody shooting each other.

[Imperializt Russia]

The dems were throwing out a renewed Assault Weapon Ban.
Well, Feinstein was.

Why do you think a renewed AWB would be effective?

[New Tsavon]

Why do you think a renewed AWB would be effective?

>another AWB.

Why would they think this a good idea?

[Southern Hampshire]

Good god the mods here are useless, deleting posts for no reason.

Worse than Sharia.

[Spirit of Hope]

I think either a requirement for a background check with every gun transfer, or with criminalizing "negligent firearm sale" would be a good idea.

Personally, I'd like to see them ban handguns entirely (except for retired cops, PIs, etc.) and a renewal on the assault weapons ban. From there, reduce firearm usage by non-federal police forces and hopefully reduce the likelihood of everybody shooting each other.

See I'm against getting rid of handguns, and the assault weapons ban is stupid. It is based almost entirely on cosmetic features, and there is no evidence it had any effect on crime rates.

Police shootings are very rare, at ~400 a year. I think cops should get more training, but they are generally rather responsible with their guns.

[Imperializt Russia]

Police shootings are estimated as high as 1000 per year, IIRC.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Personally, I'd like to see them ban handguns entirely (except for retired cops, PIs, etc.) and a renewal on the assault weapons ban. From there, reduce firearm usage by non-federal police forces and hopefully reduce the likelihood of everybody shooting each other.

See I'm against getting rid of handguns, and the assault weapons ban is stupid. It is based almost entirely on cosmetic features, and there is no evidence it had any effect on crime rates.

Police shootings are very rare, at ~400 a year. I think cops should get more training, but they are generally rather responsible with their guns.

It's been around ~500 to 1k a year, as far as estimates go.

Also, if there's at least one a day in the US, that's probably too high.

[Imperializt Russia]

If 1000 people are killed by police every year, it might be hugely skewing the figure for handgun homicides, since I imagine that is the weapon most commonly used by a police officer to kill a person.

[Robert Magoo]

There's several competing bills in Texas that are trying to make open carry of handguns by licensed owners legal.

Parade of Open Gun Bills in Texas Exposes Divide in Ranks

But one particular bills stands out. HB 195- proposed by Texas Representative Jonathan Stickman- not only allows open carry of handguns, but also allows the open carry of firearms WITHOUT THE NEED FOR A LICENSE.

My Legislative Agenda for the 84th Session

House Bill 195
Allows for the lawful carrying of firearms and removes the requirement of a permit to carry a firearm

HB195

Allowing anyone who can afford a handgun to carry one without needing to purchase a permit. WHAT CAN POSSIBLY GO WRONG!? I understand there's a gun enthusiast community on this forum, but good God even they ought to see that letting ANYONE carry a gun openly outside of their homes without a need for a license is just a fucking catastrophe waiting to happen.

You don't need a license to open carry in most states, yet there aren't massive killings. You're being absurd. I have a feeling you probably know that, and just don't care.

In Vermont, you don't need a license to carry open OR concealed, and same in several other states.

[Robert Magoo]

Oregon and Washington have never had open carry.

I live in Washington and often visit Oregon. Both states have totally free open carry. You shouldn't make statements that you have no clue about.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Oregon and Washington have never had open carry.

I live in Washington and often visit Oregon. Both states have totally free open carry. You shouldn't make statements that you have no clue about.

I live in Oregon, and I can confirm the existence of open carry laws. As well as CCPs.

[Gun Manufacturers]

It's already there. In the form of driving sober, with a seatbelt on, after passing a written examination and driving test.

And if a car involved in a fatality is defective, the car manufacturer can be sued. Good luck suing a gun manufacturer for anything.

If a firearm made it out of the factory with a defect that makes it unsafe, a firearms manufacturer could be sued. They can also be liable for damages for breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions that they are DIRECTLY responsible for. The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act only protects firearms manufacturers from being sued for negligence based on what OTHER PEOPLE do with their products.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I think either a requirement for a background check with every gun transfer, or with criminalizing "negligent firearm sale" would be a good idea.

Personally, I'd like to see them ban handguns entirely (except for retired cops, PIs, etc.) and a renewal on the assault weapons ban. From there, reduce firearm usage by non-federal police forces and hopefully reduce the likelihood of everybody shooting each other.

Banning handguns would be unconstitutional, and the AWB only affects cosmetic features (that does nothing to increase/decrease the lethality of firearms).

[Robert Magoo]

You do realize that guns kill about as many people in the US as cars? and that two thirds of gun deaths in the US are suicides? And that cars injure about 2 million people while guns only injure about 80,000 people?

I'm far more worried about being killed by a car than by a gun.

Where are the liberal's calling for car control?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Moms-Aga ... 4342724475


It's satire of course, but absolutely hilarious, and a pretty accurate analogy.

[Robert Magoo]

Personally, I'd like to see them ban handguns entirely (except for retired cops, PIs, etc.) and a renewal on the assault weapons ban. From there, reduce firearm usage by non-federal police forces and hopefully reduce the likelihood of everybody shooting each other.

Banning handguns would be unconstitutional, and the AWB only affects cosmetic features (that does nothing to increase/decrease the lethality of firearms).

Cosmetic issues are what matters. Black guns with plastic stocks are much more scary than blued guns with wooden stocks, even when they shoot less powerful rounds. And we can't allow people to be SCARED, can we?

[Geilinor]

You guys are talking shit, but maybe we should give it a trial run.
If it works out and crime goes down, then we could look into expanding this bill.

The bill in Georgia worked out even though the anti-gun crowd said it'd be like the Wild West.

It's best not to laugh at an idea lest you be proven wrong when it works.
Not that it will, but it could.

I'd be fine with expanding this law to cover all areas other than cities with a population of 500,000/750,000 or more.

The anti-gun cultists always screams "blood in the streets" every time gun restrictions are eased. They are always wrong. You would think they would have learned by now.

I don't see what was so restrictive about concealed carry permits.

[The Serbian Empire]

My god, open carry without a license! This will just repeat the disasters that are Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine!

The wealth of evidence provided on the topic that proves its dangers and the lack of assumption by the OP that poor people automatically become criminals when armed has convinced me. <sarcasm>

Michigan and Louisiana have three of the top five most violent cities in Flint, Detroit, and New Orleans. But then Flint's had a violence problem since the 1960s.

[The Conez Imperium]

Where are the liberal's calling for car control?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Moms-Aga ... 4342724475


It's satire of course, but absolutely hilarious, and a pretty accurate analogy.

Huehuehue

Gun toting Good Samaritan saves one year old and mother, but bad guy escapes in car!

Once again a gun has helped save a child, but a car allowed the criminal to flee. Please help us in removing cars from our society and create a better world.

‪#‎CarSense‬ not ‪#‎Gunsense‬

[Geilinor]

And you're saying that they dropped without regulations implemented?

Firearms not handguns dropped in homicides committed with relative steadiness from 1976 to 2004.
Handgun homicides exploded from the mid 1980s to 1993, then dropped to the same level in the mid 80s by 1999, and stayed at about that level to 2004. The chart ends in 2004, of course.

In 1994, the Assault Weapon Ban was introduced. It had little to no impact on the use of long arms in homicides. It also introduced a raft of other measures, such as criminalising gang membership. This measure alone probably had a significant impact on the use of handguns in homicide.
Handgun use in homicide stopped declining in 1998, the year NICS was introduced.

That period of increased homicide only lasted 4 years, there must be some event that it can be tied to.