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Postby Wandering Argonians » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:07 am

I'm bored, so I'll interject as well...

Here in Kentucky (yes, yeehaw, etc.) there are provisions allowing for the open carry of a handgun state-wide, and (with the proper permit) laws in place to allow for the concealed carry of a handgun. To buy one, you just need a valid driver's license and need to be 21 years of age. Having worked as a licensed dealer of firearms in this state, that is a terrifying prospect but it is the right of the citizens of the Commonwealth of Kentucky and the United States of America. I could deny a purchased with reasonable suspicion of being a 'straw purchase' (a purchase for someone who isn't legally able to buy one) but that's rather difficult in a state culture where firearms are tools in most of the state and are commonly purchased as gifts for friends and family members. I no longer work in that field simply because it's become tedious with the invention of the internet and everyone with a connection and a forum ID has become an 'expert' and Special Forum Operators are rampant.

Occupationally, I have to deal with these "We Ban Guns" signs. I carry a concealed handgun daily, mainly for occupational reasons but it has also become odd not to. I'd compare it to leaving you cell-phone at home, it just doesn't feel 'right'. Most places that serve alcohol have a 'no weapons' sign in place, and while they have no legal precedence a drunk with a firearm on his person will be viewed poorly in the eyes of the law. I personally disarm when entering a place that serves alcohol, as I typically consume some during my business transaction there and it seems like a good idea. If I am working, however, and I have to enter such a place, I simply don't consume alcohol or limit my intake severely.

The local big-box liquor store chain in my area has such a sign on the door as well, but I never disarm when entering (I'm sober when I'm buying beer) because 'concealed' is just that. Other people don't know you have it. "Buffalo Wild Wings" has a rather large sign that says "WE BAN GUNS ON THIS PREMISES". That's their right as a business. I think their wording is a bit too aggressive as they don't have the authority to 'ban' anything, but that's also my right to disagree with their statement. I've worn a concealed weapon into their restaurant numerous times (sober, mind you). About all they can do is ask me to leave if they catch me.

Open carry is a different story and legally a dangerous proposition unless you have the proper permit to conceal it. It's dangerous for the simple fact that if it accidentally becomes concealed, you're asking for a felony on your record. It's also not socially acceptable anywhere but gun stores. Wal-Mart, CostCo, etc will ask you to leave because the general public is uncomfortable around guns, or at least people who look unofficial with guns. However, the further you get from the major population centers, the more socially acceptable it becomes. During deer season in rural Kentucky it is accepted that hunters will walk around your Wal-Mart with slung rifles, simply because they don't want to leave them in their trucks and with to purchase provisions for their weekend of hunting.

I'll close with saying that open carry laws aren't always a bad idea and that mass shootings are undertaken by mentally unstable individuals or criminals. Arizona passed a similar bill before Gabby Giffords was shot, allowing anyone who can legally own a pistol to carry it legally concealed. One of the men on the scene was legally concealing a handgun, but he decided against using it because he didn't feel he was proficient enough in its use to deliver accurate fire. I use this example to demonstrate that not all who carry are Rambo, and that those who purchase firearms are typically much more educated about their safe and legal use than those who don't own them. It's a lot like owning a car: It's a potentially deadly machine you can use for socially acceptable purposes (Driving to work, school, etc) or for mass murder (Drive down the sidewalk at high speed during a crowded event and run over a dozen people). The vast majority of people use it as intended.

I prefer education and mutual understanding over flame-baiting arguments. I usually challenge naysayers to take a basic NRA safety class, or something along those lines. It exposes them to firearms in a safe and controlled manner, and provides education about firearms in general most naysayers seem to lack.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:26 am

Wandering Argonians wrote:snip


Well I have British army weapons handling training and I support large bans and strict licensing. I also have a sporting double barrel 12-bore to go game shooting. Whether one knows how to handle a firearm properly is I find irrelevant to ones opinion.
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Postby Spreewerke » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:08 pm

Naitasanic wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:Missouri is already like this.

Literally nothing bad has happened because of it.

Missouri has the third highest gun murder rate in the US, behind D.C. (doesn't have open carry laws) and Louisiania (does have a similar law to what's in effect in Missouri) at one and two.

Whether that's because of the law or not is another matter though.



It's because of Kansas City and St. Louis. They're practically the only cities in the state. Everywhere else is a podunk town where everyone ignores everyone else.



Hotgrat wrote:Ok, so let's say this bill passes.

Then what? The streets would be people carrying pistols and what not, and would be scared sh*tless that anyone could suddenly pull out a firearm and start shooting. Imagine going to a café. Any second, someone could pull out a gun and shoot. No one would be able to eat safely, always fearing someone would start shooting.

I dunno about you, but I'd rather not know people carried guns then doing so openly.



Concealed Carry is already legal in Texas, so those same people you're afraid of being there if this bill passes are probably already there and, gasp, have their weapons completely concealed. You therefore have literally no idea whatsoever who does and does not have a gun. That is the difference between CC and OC.

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Postby Alien Space Bats » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:37 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:My god, open carry without a license! This will just repeat the disasters that are Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine!

The wealth of evidence provided on the topic that proves its dangers and the lack of assumption by the OP that poor people automatically become criminals when armed has convinced me. <sarcasm>

Michigan does not have unrestricted open carry without a license.

In Michigan you may open carry a PISTOL without a license. Long arms may only be open carried on private property, or by hunters operating with a proper hunting permit on public land where (and when) such hunting is allowed; and in no case do open carry laws apply to a weapon inside an automobile (weapons inside an automobile are treated as concealed weapons, except while in the trunk).

In presume that Texas already allows the open carry of pistols, so what's being discussed here is the open carry of long arms.
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:40 pm

Central Kadigan wrote:I guess that pesky "well-regulated" phrase of the Second Amendment doesn't apply in Texas. :blink:

I don't think you understand what the phrase "well regulated" means (HINT: It pertains to the question of whether or not a militia-in-being is operating under contemporary rules of military discipline).
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Postby Korouse » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:41 pm

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:46 pm

Gauthier wrote:There's several competing bills in Texas that are trying to make open carry of handguns by licensed owners legal.

Parade of Open Gun Bills in Texas Exposes Divide in Ranks

But one particular bills stands out. HB 195- proposed by Texas Representative Jonathan Stickman- not only allows open carry of handguns, but also allows the open carry of firearms WITHOUT THE NEED FOR A LICENSE.

My Legislative Agenda for the 84th Session

House Bill 195
Allows for the lawful carrying of firearms and removes the requirement of a permit to carry a firearm


HB195

Allowing anyone who can afford a handgun to carry one without needing to purchase a permit. WHAT CAN POSSIBLY GO WRONG!? I understand there's a gun enthusiast community on this forum, but good God even they ought to see that letting ANYONE carry a gun openly outside of their homes without a need for a license is just a fucking catastrophe waiting to happen.


Vermont neither issues nor requires a permit to carry, and I don't recall a firearms carry related catastrophe in Vermont in recent memory.
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:50 pm

Big Jim P wrote:Kinda like Democrats and their gun control. It doesn't work, but they ignore that fact and still push for more.

See, there are already states that do this, and the worst gun crime tend to happen in places with the most gun restrictions.

And death penalty States tend to have the highest murder rates.

<pause>

See, your problem here is that you've never been trained as a social scientist (or, indeed, likely a scientist of any kind). Otherwise, you'd understand the difference between causation and correlation.

It is far more likely that States with high rates of gun crime enact gun laws in an effort (successfully or not) to curb said crime than it is for gun laws to be the driver of increased gun crime, just as it is far more likely that States with higher rates of violent crime seek to use capital punishment as a means of curb such violent (successfully or not) than it is for capital punishment to drive the frequency of violent crime. In either case, I can imagine a causative chain between the two sets of conditions that would work either way; but it's not what I can imagine that matters. It's the actual events on the ground.

And in this case, it would seem to be the case that gun crime leads to calls for gun control, and not that gun control produces more gun crime (just as high profile violent crimes lead to calls for capital punishment, rather than capital punishment producing more violent crime).
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Postby Korouse » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:51 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Gauthier wrote:There's several competing bills in Texas that are trying to make open carry of handguns by licensed owners legal.

Parade of Open Gun Bills in Texas Exposes Divide in Ranks

But one particular bills stands out. HB 195- proposed by Texas Representative Jonathan Stickman- not only allows open carry of handguns, but also allows the open carry of firearms WITHOUT THE NEED FOR A LICENSE.

My Legislative Agenda for the 84th Session



HB195

Allowing anyone who can afford a handgun to carry one without needing to purchase a permit. WHAT CAN POSSIBLY GO WRONG!? I understand there's a gun enthusiast community on this forum, but good God even they ought to see that letting ANYONE carry a gun openly outside of their homes without a need for a license is just a fucking catastrophe waiting to happen.


Vermont neither issues nor requires a permit to carry, and I don't recall a firearms carry related catastrophe in Vermont in recent memory.

Probably because Vermont has one of the lowest crime rates, and there's not a good deal of loonies there.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:52 pm

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Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Vermont neither issues nor requires a permit to carry, and I don't recall a firearms carry related catastrophe in Vermont in recent memory.

Probably because Vermont has one of the lowest crime rates, and there's not a good deal of loonies there.

There's not a good deal of anything but maple syrup in Vermont.

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:58 pm

Korouse wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Vermont neither issues nor requires a permit to carry, and I don't recall a firearms carry related catastrophe in Vermont in recent memory.

Probably because Vermont has one of the lowest crime rates, and there's not a good deal of loonies there.


So, what you're saying is, gun controllers claims that less gun regulation = more crime isn't necessarily true? That's awesome!
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

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Postby Alien Space Bats » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:00 pm

Valica wrote:If everyone has access to guns, people are less likely to commit crime for fear of being shot.

This is as unproven (and likely unprovable) an assertion as the claim that not having legal access to guns reduces the rate of gun crime. It COULD be true; but at present gun control opponents have no proof (and likely no way of proving) that it is.

Valica wrote:And people seem to forget that we avoided mainland invasion during WW2 because other nations knew we had a well-armed populace that would fight back.

No, the reason the American mainland wasn't invaded in World War II is because the Germans lacked a navy capable of it, Italy's navy lacked the range, and it would have been logistically impossible for Japan to pull off, given the distances. Learn some military history, please.

And don't quote me Yamamoto; his comment falls into the category of "if-dogs-had-wings" observations.
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Postby Korouse » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:02 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Korouse wrote:Probably because Vermont has one of the lowest crime rates, and there's not a good deal of loonies there.


So, what you're saying is, gun controllers claims that less gun regulation = more crime isn't necessarily true? That's awesome!

I think you forget that most people in Vermont actually live off the land/go hunting regularly. That, coupled with low crime rate, would probably lead law-makers to go ahead and say "Sure, no permit for purchasing guns!"

In a city, this isn't viable.
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I'm afraid I'm going to have to counter with a 122 welded to my wheelchair.

The arms race is on, good sir.

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Alien Space Bats wrote:
Occupied Deutschland wrote:My god, open carry without a license! This will just repeat the disasters that are Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine!

The wealth of evidence provided on the topic that proves its dangers and the lack of assumption by the OP that poor people automatically become criminals when armed has convinced me. <sarcasm>

Michigan does not have unrestricted open carry without a license.

In Michigan you may open carry a PISTOL without a license. Long arms may only be open carried on private property, or by hunters operating with a proper hunting permit on public land where (and when) such hunting is allowed; and in no case do open carry laws apply to a weapon inside an automobile (weapons inside an automobile are treated as concealed weapons, except while in the trunk).

In presume that Texas already allows the open carry of pistols, so what's being discussed here is the open carry of long arms.

Why do you presume Texas allows for Open Carry of Hand Guns without a Permit?
Because it seems to me as an alleged "social scientist" hurdurrrr you would use the magic box you are on to verify said speculation.

NO, Texas does not presently allow open carry of handguns. I can therefore assume that all the other verbose jibberjabber you have posted as on this issue as if you were informed on it are equally as dubious.
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The Emerald Dawn wrote:I'm afraid I'm going to have to counter with a 122 welded to my wheelchair.

The arms race is on, good sir.

I do not carry arms, but when I do, I carry these.

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Risottia wrote:I'm so gonna carry a 88mm mortar for superior deterrence.


I would, no joke, feel much safer in a society where crew served weapons and their carry are legal than in a society where concealing handguns is legal.
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:22 pm

Scyobayrynn wrote:
Alien Space Bats wrote:In [sic] presume that Texas already allows the open carry of pistols, so what's being discussed here is the open carry of long arms.

Why do you presume Texas allows for Open Carry of Hand Guns without a Permit?

Because right now I'm busy doing other things, most gun-friendly States allow the open carry of pistols, and I'd rather not look it up. If they don't, they don't. That's why I used the word "presume", Bucky.

Scyobayrynn wrote:Because it seems to me as an alleged "social scientist" hurdurrrr you would use the magic box you are on to verify said speculation.

Or I could be busy doing other things, and making quick comments on the side.

And your use of the phrase "hurdurrrr" essentially identifies you as an intellectual knuckle-dragger, so you might want to curtail that sort of thing.

Scyobayrynn wrote:NO, Texas does not presently allow open carry of handguns.

Well, that's nice to know.

Scyobayrynn wrote:I can therefore assume that all the other verbose jibberjabber you have posted as on this issue as if you were informed on it are equally as dubious.

Whatever. My point is that the States listed as allowing unrestricted open carry of everything anywhere by anyone don't all, in fact, do that. But if you want to try and assert that they do, go ahead. Make a fool of yourself.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:24 pm

Alien Space Bats wrote:
Occupied Deutschland wrote:My god, open carry without a license! This will just repeat the disasters that are Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine!

The wealth of evidence provided on the topic that proves its dangers and the lack of assumption by the OP that poor people automatically become criminals when armed has convinced me. <sarcasm>

Michigan does not have unrestricted open carry without a license.

In Michigan you may open carry a PISTOL without a license. Long arms may only be open carried on private property, or by hunters operating with a proper hunting permit on public land where (and when) such hunting is allowed; and in no case do open carry laws apply to a weapon inside an automobile (weapons inside an automobile are treated as concealed weapons, except while in the trunk).

In presume that Texas already allows the open carry of pistols, so what's being discussed here is the open carry of long arms.

Exactly the opposite, surprisingly. Texas currently allows open-carry of long arms without a license, but not pistols (though I'm unsure if open carry is allowed even with a license, I think not but don't have the reference to be sure).

Edit: To be precise, this is why I backed off and began referring to those states as 'similar' in terms of open-carry restrictions. A number of vagaries and different standard popped up in regards to treatment of firearms in vehicles, preemptions by municipalities being allowed or not, and in the case of Arkansas open-carry was illegal if an intent to use the firearm illegally could be established.

Edit 2: The Re-editing
In any case, the states are similar enough to compare, as the main provision of this law seems to be the open-carry of handguns allowance. It was addressed to such issue, and those states allow open carry without a license of firearms (Michigan and Texas I believe are the only ones with the long-arm handgun distinction at the moment, though that might be incorrect). In any case, it tends to make one skeptical of the OPs claim that carry without a license results in mass anarchy and the firearmocalypse.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:25 pm

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Occupied Deutschland wrote:My god, open carry without a license! This will just repeat the disasters that are Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine!

The wealth of evidence provided on the topic that proves its dangers and the lack of assumption by the OP that poor people automatically become criminals when armed has convinced me. <sarcasm>

Michigan does not have unrestricted open carry without a license.

In Michigan you may open carry a PISTOL without a license. Long arms may only be open carried on private property, or by hunters operating with a proper hunting permit on public land where (and when) such hunting is allowed; and in no case do open carry laws apply to a weapon inside an automobile (weapons inside an automobile are treated as concealed weapons, except while in the trunk).

In presume that Texas already allows the open carry of pistols, so what's being discussed here is the open carry of long arms.


Actually it is the opposite of that.

You can open carry a long arm, but cannot open-carry a pistol.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:26 pm

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Alien Space Bats wrote:Michigan does not have unrestricted open carry without a license.

In Michigan you may open carry a PISTOL without a license. Long arms may only be open carried on private property, or by hunters operating with a proper hunting permit on public land where (and when) such hunting is allowed; and in no case do open carry laws apply to a weapon inside an automobile (weapons inside an automobile are treated as concealed weapons, except while in the trunk).

In presume that Texas already allows the open carry of pistols, so what's being discussed here is the open carry of long arms.

Exactly the opposite, surprisingly. Texas currently allows open-carry of long arms without a license, but not pistols (though I'm unsure if open carry is allowed even with a license, I think not but don't have the reference to be sure).


Pistols are just Concealed Carry in Texas.

You can't open carry a pistol.
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Postby Cymrea » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:35 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:Pistols are just Concealed Carry in Texas.

You can't open carry a gun.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:38 pm

Cymrea wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:Pistols are just Concealed Carry in Texas.

You can't open carry a gun.

"A gun is a large calibre artillery piece, either self-propelled or hauled behind a vehicle - if you can carry one of those, concealed or openly, you'll impress the shit outta me." - paraphrased version of the definition of gun by ornery NCOs, as dictated to raw recruits.


:meh:

Thanks but I was still talking about a pistol. :p
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:40 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:Exactly the opposite, surprisingly. Texas currently allows open-carry of long arms without a license, but not pistols (though I'm unsure if open carry is allowed even with a license, I think not but don't have the reference to be sure).

Edit: To be precise, this is why I backed off and began referring to those states as 'similar' in terms of open-carry restrictions. A number of vagaries and different standard popped up in regards to treatment of firearms in vehicles, preemptions by municipalities being allowed or not, and in the case of Arkansas open-carry was illegal if an intent to use the firearm illegally could be established.

I stand corrected, then.

Of course, you've hit upon the same point I have: That all of these laws vary wildly from State to State. You don't need a license to by a long arm in Michigan, but you can't carry it openly. You need a license to buy a pistol here — which you CAN open carry — and then another (CWL) if you wish to carry that pistol concealed or in your car (other than in your trunk, unloaded and locked away separate from your ammunition, which is also how everyone has to treat long arms while transporting them in your car). As for rooftop gun racks, they're a grey area here (so long as the weapon is unloaded); you may get pulled over for having it there, because apparently some States allow such weapons to be loaded, making them an easy ticket for the owner who screws up.

Anyone carrying anything they want anytime they want is likely only something seen in a very few places.
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Postby Planita » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:45 pm

If this passes and going through Texas, I'll stock up on the chainguns for deterrence.

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