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by Wandering Argonians » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:07 am

by The Nihilistic view » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:26 am
Wandering Argonians wrote:snip

by Spreewerke » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:08 pm
Naitasanic wrote:
Missouri has the third highest gun murder rate in the US, behind D.C. (doesn't have open carry laws) and Louisiania (does have a similar law to what's in effect in Missouri) at one and two.
Whether that's because of the law or not is another matter though.
Hotgrat wrote:Ok, so let's say this bill passes.
Then what? The streets would be people carrying pistols and what not, and would be scared sh*tless that anyone could suddenly pull out a firearm and start shooting. Imagine going to a café. Any second, someone could pull out a gun and shoot. No one would be able to eat safely, always fearing someone would start shooting.
I dunno about you, but I'd rather not know people carried guns then doing so openly.

by Alien Space Bats » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:37 pm
Occupied Deutschland wrote:My god, open carry without a license! This will just repeat the disasters that are Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine!
The wealth of evidence provided on the topic that proves its dangers and the lack of assumption by the OP that poor people automatically become criminals when armed has convinced me. <sarcasm>

by Alien Space Bats » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:40 pm
Central Kadigan wrote:I guess that pesky "well-regulated" phrase of the Second Amendment doesn't apply in Texas.

by Gun Manufacturers » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:46 pm
Gauthier wrote:There's several competing bills in Texas that are trying to make open carry of handguns by licensed owners legal.
Parade of Open Gun Bills in Texas Exposes Divide in Ranks
But one particular bills stands out. HB 195- proposed by Texas Representative Jonathan Stickman- not only allows open carry of handguns, but also allows the open carry of firearms WITHOUT THE NEED FOR A LICENSE.
My Legislative Agenda for the 84th SessionHouse Bill 195
Allows for the lawful carrying of firearms and removes the requirement of a permit to carry a firearm
HB195
Allowing anyone who can afford a handgun to carry one without needing to purchase a permit. WHAT CAN POSSIBLY GO WRONG!? I understand there's a gun enthusiast community on this forum, but good God even they ought to see that letting ANYONE carry a gun openly outside of their homes without a need for a license is just a fucking catastrophe waiting to happen.
Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...
Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo
Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.
Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

by Alien Space Bats » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:50 pm
Big Jim P wrote:Kinda like Democrats and their gun control. It doesn't work, but they ignore that fact and still push for more.
See, there are already states that do this, and the worst gun crime tend to happen in places with the most gun restrictions.

by Korouse » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:51 pm
Gun Manufacturers wrote:Gauthier wrote:There's several competing bills in Texas that are trying to make open carry of handguns by licensed owners legal.
Parade of Open Gun Bills in Texas Exposes Divide in Ranks
But one particular bills stands out. HB 195- proposed by Texas Representative Jonathan Stickman- not only allows open carry of handguns, but also allows the open carry of firearms WITHOUT THE NEED FOR A LICENSE.
My Legislative Agenda for the 84th Session
HB195
Allowing anyone who can afford a handgun to carry one without needing to purchase a permit. WHAT CAN POSSIBLY GO WRONG!? I understand there's a gun enthusiast community on this forum, but good God even they ought to see that letting ANYONE carry a gun openly outside of their homes without a need for a license is just a fucking catastrophe waiting to happen.
Vermont neither issues nor requires a permit to carry, and I don't recall a firearms carry related catastrophe in Vermont in recent memory.

by The Emerald Dawn » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:52 pm

by Gun Manufacturers » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:58 pm
Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...
Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo
Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.
Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

by Alien Space Bats » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:00 pm
Valica wrote:If everyone has access to guns, people are less likely to commit crime for fear of being shot.
Valica wrote:And people seem to forget that we avoided mainland invasion during WW2 because other nations knew we had a well-armed populace that would fight back.

by Korouse » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:02 pm

by Luziyca » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:08 pm

by Scyobayrynn » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:12 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:Occupied Deutschland wrote:My god, open carry without a license! This will just repeat the disasters that are Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine!
The wealth of evidence provided on the topic that proves its dangers and the lack of assumption by the OP that poor people automatically become criminals when armed has convinced me. <sarcasm>
Michigan does not have unrestricted open carry without a license.
In Michigan you may open carry a PISTOL without a license. Long arms may only be open carried on private property, or by hunters operating with a proper hunting permit on public land where (and when) such hunting is allowed; and in no case do open carry laws apply to a weapon inside an automobile (weapons inside an automobile are treated as concealed weapons, except while in the trunk).
In presume that Texas already allows the open carry of pistols, so what's being discussed here is the open carry of long arms.

by The Emerald Dawn » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:12 pm
Luziyca wrote:The Emerald Dawn wrote:I'm afraid I'm going to have to counter with a 122 welded to my wheelchair.
The arms race is on, good sir.
I do not carry arms, but when I do, I carry these.

by Tule » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:15 pm
Risottia wrote:I'm so gonna carry a 88mm mortar for superior deterrence.

by Alien Space Bats » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:22 pm
Scyobayrynn wrote:Because it seems to me as an alleged "social scientist" hurdurrrr you would use the magic box you are on to verify said speculation.
Scyobayrynn wrote:NO, Texas does not presently allow open carry of handguns.
Scyobayrynn wrote:I can therefore assume that all the other verbose jibberjabber you have posted as on this issue as if you were informed on it are equally as dubious.

by Occupied Deutschland » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:24 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:Occupied Deutschland wrote:My god, open carry without a license! This will just repeat the disasters that are Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine!
The wealth of evidence provided on the topic that proves its dangers and the lack of assumption by the OP that poor people automatically become criminals when armed has convinced me. <sarcasm>
Michigan does not have unrestricted open carry without a license.
In Michigan you may open carry a PISTOL without a license. Long arms may only be open carried on private property, or by hunters operating with a proper hunting permit on public land where (and when) such hunting is allowed; and in no case do open carry laws apply to a weapon inside an automobile (weapons inside an automobile are treated as concealed weapons, except while in the trunk).
In presume that Texas already allows the open carry of pistols, so what's being discussed here is the open carry of long arms.

by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:25 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:Occupied Deutschland wrote:My god, open carry without a license! This will just repeat the disasters that are Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine!
The wealth of evidence provided on the topic that proves its dangers and the lack of assumption by the OP that poor people automatically become criminals when armed has convinced me. <sarcasm>
Michigan does not have unrestricted open carry without a license.
In Michigan you may open carry a PISTOL without a license. Long arms may only be open carried on private property, or by hunters operating with a proper hunting permit on public land where (and when) such hunting is allowed; and in no case do open carry laws apply to a weapon inside an automobile (weapons inside an automobile are treated as concealed weapons, except while in the trunk).
In presume that Texas already allows the open carry of pistols, so what's being discussed here is the open carry of long arms.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:26 pm
Occupied Deutschland wrote:Alien Space Bats wrote:Michigan does not have unrestricted open carry without a license.
In Michigan you may open carry a PISTOL without a license. Long arms may only be open carried on private property, or by hunters operating with a proper hunting permit on public land where (and when) such hunting is allowed; and in no case do open carry laws apply to a weapon inside an automobile (weapons inside an automobile are treated as concealed weapons, except while in the trunk).
In presume that Texas already allows the open carry of pistols, so what's being discussed here is the open carry of long arms.
Exactly the opposite, surprisingly. Texas currently allows open-carry of long arms without a license, but not pistols (though I'm unsure if open carry is allowed even with a license, I think not but don't have the reference to be sure).
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

by Cymrea » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:35 pm

by Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:38 pm
Cymrea wrote:
"A gun is a large calibre artillery piece, either self-propelled or hauled behind a vehicle - if you can carry one of those, concealed or openly, you'll impress the shit outta me." - paraphrased version of the definition of gun by ornery NCOs, as dictated to raw recruits.

Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

by Alien Space Bats » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:40 pm
Occupied Deutschland wrote:Exactly the opposite, surprisingly. Texas currently allows open-carry of long arms without a license, but not pistols (though I'm unsure if open carry is allowed even with a license, I think not but don't have the reference to be sure).
Edit: To be precise, this is why I backed off and began referring to those states as 'similar' in terms of open-carry restrictions. A number of vagaries and different standard popped up in regards to treatment of firearms in vehicles, preemptions by municipalities being allowed or not, and in the case of Arkansas open-carry was illegal if an intent to use the firearm illegally could be established.
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