Child Silencer Device... Is it Ethical?

[Lost heros]

Until those silenced children grow up to become society. And then we have a generation who don't speak because they grew up thinking it would be useless.

If you have a device that does what this thing is supposed to be it would be trivial to set it up so that it only blocks sound beyond a certain level of volume. It's as easy as fitting an air pressure sensor. So you'd only end up with a generation that thinks shouting and screaming is useless. Hell, they may graduate to actually speaking properly sooner.

I highly doubt speech development will be aided by silencing children.

[Ifreann]

Until those silenced children grow up to become society. And then we have a generation who don't speak because they grew up thinking it would be useless.

If you have a device that does what this thing is supposed to be it would be trivial to set it up so that it only blocks sound beyond a certain level of volume. It's as easy as fitting an air pressure sensor. So you'd only end up with a generation that thinks shouting and screaming is useless. Hell, they may graduate to actually speaking properly sooner.

Shouting and screaming is a quite useful form of communication, though.

[The Holy Therns]

Until those silenced children grow up to become society. And then we have a generation who don't speak because they grew up thinking it would be useless.

If you have a device that does what this thing is supposed to be it would be trivial to set it up so that it only blocks sound beyond a certain level of volume. It's as easy as fitting an air pressure sensor. So you'd only end up with a generation that thinks shouting and screaming is useless. Hell, they may graduate to actually speaking properly sooner.

You're essentially teaching them their voice won't serve them. Why the fuck would they learn to speak sooner?

[Apparatchikstan]

but weve had pacifiers for years already...

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Yes indeed, and if a little one is so upset that it spits the passy, there is typically a significant issue with the child to be addressed. Derailing this behavior by whatever means is at best just plain laziness. Parenting is true to life. It is a grinding struggle requiring the developement of increasing amounts of patience you never have, and it not only never rewards laziness, but will penalize you severely at times for trying to take an easy way out.

[Cyrisnia]

IM, what the fuck, man?

No, seriously, what the fuck? How on....you know, basically any goddamn moral and logical system would this be alright? This is child abuse. No doubt about it. There is none. Isn't being able to talk and be heard and voice your opinion, screaming child or not, a basic goddamn human right? Guess not, according to you. What if the kid gets abducted or something, and the parent isn't paying any attention, because, they can't hear little Timmy start fucking screaming? What about when they find said child in a ditch 2 weeks later? Not the best invention anymore, is it? But then again, who knows. Maybe your child was upset in the first place, because they were asked a question in class by a dog in a suit who has stock in a tobacco company.


Seriously, IM. What the fuck is wrong with you? How could this be right in any means?

[Saiwania]

The parents deserve what they are getting. It was their choice to breed so they should have to live with the consequences. But the rest of us should not be required to suffer because someone else selfishly decided his genes were so important for the future of the human race that he absolutely needs to produce offspring.

Now you're acting as if parenthood is supposed to be a punishment or is always undesirable, it's not. If that is not your cup of tea, fine; but someone has to in countries with demographic problems such as those in Europe or Japan if these peoples aren't to eventually go extinct.

Half of world population now reproducing at below replacement levels. Expected peak will be 8 to 10 billion.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

No 'nifty supposedly harm-free device' is a replacement for good parenting.

Kids cry. They make noise. It's part and parcel, folks. How we as adults deal with it - that is the real problem and or solution. Not the fact that the kids are making noise.

I'd be more in favor of a harm-free device that magically instills good parenting skills in the wearer/user/target than putting some goram collar on a kid just so we don't have to hear them. That's just ... irresponsible at best and abuse/neglect at worst.

[The Holy Therns]

No 'nifty supposedly harm-free device' is a replacement for good parenting.

Kids cry. They make noise. It's part and parcel, folks. How we as adults deal with it - that is the real problem and or solution. Not the fact that the kids are making noise.

I'd be more in favor of a harm-free device that magically instills good parenting skills in the wearer/user/target than putting some goram collar on a kid just so we don't have to hear them. That's just ... irresponsible at best and abuse/neglect at worst.

There are fortunately already plenty of parents who'd be cool with wearing a collar.

[Wulfcastle]

Children have no rights. Until they reach adulthood and become contributing members of society, they are nothing more than a drain on resources and a breeding ground for various illnesses.

In my opinion, a device that silences their constant inane chatter is completely ethical, and should be mandatory.

For the sake of all who have ever had to suffer through bothersome children ruining an otherwise pleasant outing, I encourage scientists everywhere to develop this technology as soon as possible.

[Laerod]

Children have no rights. Until they reach adulthood and become contributing members of society, they are nothing more than a drain on resources and a breeding ground for various illnesses.

In my opinion, a device that silences their constant inane chatter is completely ethical, and should be mandatory.

For the sake of all who have ever had to suffer through bothersome children ruining an otherwise pleasant outing, I encourage scientists everywhere to develop this technology as soon as possible.

They'd still be able to type and bother people on internet forums though.

[Infected Mushroom]

IM, what the fuck, man?

No, seriously, what the fuck? How on....you know, basically any goddamn moral and logical system would this be alright? This is child abuse. No doubt about it. There is none. Isn't being able to talk and be heard and voice your opinion, screaming child or not, a basic goddamn human right? Guess not, according to you. What if the kid gets abducted or something, and the parent isn't paying any attention, because, they can't hear little Timmy start fucking screaming? What about when they find said child in a ditch 2 weeks later? Not the best invention anymore, is it? But then again, who knows. Maybe your child was upset in the first place, because they were asked a question in class by a dog in a suit who has stock in a tobacco company.


Seriously, IM. What the fuck is wrong with you? How could this be right in any means?

Child abuse? We restrict people's rights to make noise all of the time. For example, in the classroom the teacher can tell the students not to talk during the class. No one's complaining about an infringement there.

Since you can't tell a little kid to be quiet or reason with him/her, the collar is an acceptable substitute and compromise (you get your silence, but the child still gets to signal to you when he/she needs something).

Well one way around the problem of losing the child is to install a GPS tracking device into the device.

This way, when the parents get the texts, they can also access their child's location. So if the child wandered off into a random area, they can't be heard but they can still be tracked.

[Laerod]

IM, what the fuck, man?

No, seriously, what the fuck? How on....you know, basically any goddamn moral and logical system would this be alright? This is child abuse. No doubt about it. There is none. Isn't being able to talk and be heard and voice your opinion, screaming child or not, a basic goddamn human right? Guess not, according to you. What if the kid gets abducted or something, and the parent isn't paying any attention, because, they can't hear little Timmy start fucking screaming? What about when they find said child in a ditch 2 weeks later? Not the best invention anymore, is it? But then again, who knows. Maybe your child was upset in the first place, because they were asked a question in class by a dog in a suit who has stock in a tobacco company.


Seriously, IM. What the fuck is wrong with you? How could this be right in any means?

Child abuse? We restrict people's rights to make noise all of the time. For example, in the classroom the teacher can tell the students not to talk during the class. No one's complaining about an infringement there.

One would assume this is because the children aren't being collared.

[Infected Mushroom]

Child abuse? We restrict people's rights to make noise all of the time. For example, in the classroom the teacher can tell the students not to talk during the class. No one's complaining about an infringement there.

One would assume this is because the children aren't being collared.

well their movement is restricted (they can't leave the classroom), their right to communication is limited (can't swear, can't talk during classes etc), and in many places their right to dress is restricted (ex uniforms, school regulations).

Right are never absolute.

Little children are incapable of consideration; you can't reason with them. The extremely loud ones inevitably cause parents to become irritated (which may lead to bad parenting) or bother studying/sleeping neighbours. There is great social utility in this device.

[Old Tyrannia]

No. No. Just... No. Who would do that to their child? What if the child is in danger and can't call for help? What if the parents are the danger and they use the device to prevent their child calling for help when they abuse them?

[Laerod]

One would assume this is because the children aren't being collared.

well their movement is restricted (they can't leave the classroom), their right to communication is limited (can't swear, can't talk during classes etc), and in many places their right to dress is restricted (ex uniforms, school regulations).

Right are never absolute.

Little children are incapable of consideration; you can't reason with them. The extremely loud ones inevitably cause parents to become irritated (which may lead to bad parenting) or bother studying/sleeping neighbours. There is great social utility in this device.

You're not getting it. The issue isn't whether there's some infringement on the ability to speak, it's the methodology. The methodology is evil.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Children have no rights. Until they reach adulthood and become contributing members of society, they are nothing more than a drain on resources and a breeding ground for various illnesses.

In my opinion, a device that silences their constant inane chatter is completely ethical, and should be mandatory.

For the sake of all who have ever had to suffer through bothersome children ruining an otherwise pleasant outing, I encourage scientists everywhere to develop this technology as soon as possible.

They'd still be able to type and bother people on internet forums though.

Amazing how that works, neh? *very dry tone implied*

In any case, yes, you can reason with kids to a degree. You can teach them. You can work with them. And you can remove them from a situation if they do get too wound up and out of control. Again, I state emphatically, it is the adults who are responsible in the end. And it is the adults who need to both act like adults - whether the parents, or other people in the area, and take responsibility for themselves, their children, and their actions.

Those maundering on about how 'all kids are brats' and 'shut them up so I can enjoy myself'? I would bet most if not all don't have kids, and are rather young by comparison to some of us with perhaps more 'real world experience'. There's plenty of people I wouldn't mind seeing shut up. Doesn't mean I have a right to collar, duct tape, or otherwise muffle their yammering just so I can be less irritated. Same thing, folks. Difference being, adults know better. Kids have to be taught.

You know. By adults. See a theme here?

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Children have no rights. Until they reach adulthood and become contributing members of society, they are nothing more than a drain on resources and a breeding ground for various illnesses.

In my opinion, a device that silences their constant inane chatter is completely ethical, and should be mandatory.

For the sake of all who have ever had to suffer through bothersome children ruining an otherwise pleasant outing, I encourage scientists everywhere to develop this technology as soon as possible.

Given the complete lack of maturity and any knowledge of children in your post, I have reason to suspect that you're not an adult yourself. Furthermore, everyone is a child at one point in their lives, and it is the responsibility of adults to raise them with care to mend them into well-rounded adults that can contribute to society.

[Infected Mushroom]

Children have no rights. Until they reach adulthood and become contributing members of society, they are nothing more than a drain on resources and a breeding ground for various illnesses.

In my opinion, a device that silences their constant inane chatter is completely ethical, and should be mandatory.

For the sake of all who have ever had to suffer through bothersome children ruining an otherwise pleasant outing, I encourage scientists everywhere to develop this technology as soon as possible.

Given the complete lack of maturity and any knowledge of children in your post, I have reason to suspect that you're not an adult yourself. Furthermore, everyone is a child at one point in their lives, and it is the responsibility of adults to raise them with care to mend them into well-rounded adults that can contribute to society.

my suggestion facilitates better parenting

less irritated parents will be more patient

[Laerod]

Given the complete lack of maturity and any knowledge of children in your post, I have reason to suspect that you're not an adult yourself. Furthermore, everyone is a child at one point in their lives, and it is the responsibility of adults to raise them with care to mend them into well-rounded adults that can contribute to society.

my suggestion facilitates better parenting

less irritated parents will be more patient

More heavily abused children will be more axe murder though.

[Infected Mushroom]

my suggestion facilitates better parenting

less irritated parents will be more patient

More heavily abused children will be more axe murder though.

those who abuse would abuse without the device too

its not going to create malicious parents

[Lost heros]

Given the complete lack of maturity and any knowledge of children in your post, I have reason to suspect that you're not an adult yourself. Furthermore, everyone is a child at one point in their lives, and it is the responsibility of adults to raise them with care to mend them into well-rounded adults that can contribute to society.

my suggestion facilitates better parenting

less irritated parents will be more patient

No it doesn't. Shutting your kids up is not a sign of good parenting.

[Laerod]

More heavily abused children will be more axe murder though.

those who abuse would abuse without the device too

its not going to create malicious parents

All the more reason not to put tools in their hands.

[Infected Mushroom]

my suggestion facilitates better parenting

less irritated parents will be more patient

No it doesn't. Shutting your kids up is not a sign of good parenting.

the volume is down, but the substance of the communication is the same (just minus the irritation ti the household and neighbours)

[Infected Mushroom]

those who abuse would abuse without the device too

its not going to create malicious parents

All the more reason not to put tools in their hands.

the screams of a kid being abused can't be distinguished with much reliability from the screams of a child in tantrum anyhow

no real loss

[Lost heros]

No it doesn't. Shutting your kids up is not a sign of good parenting.

the volume is down, but the substance of the communication is the same (just minus the irritation ti the household and neighbours)

No it's not. If you silence your kids you remove substance from the communication.