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Child Silencer Device... Is it Ethical?

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Is it ethical?

Yes
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No
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Putin the Bear King
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Postby Putin the Bear King » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:43 am

No, it is not ethical. Anyone who says that it is will like their freedom of speech being restricted; literally.
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Postby Torisakia » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:08 am

Ama Town wrote:I don't really get why crying toddlers are such a big problem. Kids cry, deal with it. If it is such a huge deal to you that you need to fit silencers to kids perhaps you should look at your own problems because you sound a bit fragile.

Or just not have kids at all.
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Postby Laerod » Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:19 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Laerod wrote:Yeah, no. Comparing a rather useful technique such as time outs with hitting? Not that nonphysical punishment can't be abusive as well (it most certainly can be), but time outs? Not comparable.
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Notice that it says "increased risk of physical abuse", increased -- not "it will inevitably lead to physical abuse".

Indeed I have.
This is what I don't get with people: you keep citing the same things, even if rehashed, and you fail to understand what it's saying. It's not saying "physical punishment is abusive", what it's saying is that it is ineffective and has an increased risk for such punishments to evolve into abuse, huge difference. An increased risk =/= inevitability. I have an increased risk of getting my shinbone fucked up if I skateboard rather than walk, does that mean I will inevitably break my shinbone against a curb?

I've addressed this repeatedly. If you can't bother to read it then this discussion is over.

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Postby Laerod » Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:21 am

Torisakia wrote:
Ama Town wrote:I don't really get why crying toddlers are such a big problem. Kids cry, deal with it. If it is such a huge deal to you that you need to fit silencers to kids perhaps you should look at your own problems because you sound a bit fragile.

Or just not have kids at all.

Unless you plan on dying early, someone is going to have to pay for your retirement.

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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:31 am

Saiwania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:That's not a problem. We need to peak, and soon, or we're thoroughly fucked.


I'm saying that the other half is going to fall into going towards sub replacement fertility as well by around 2040. There will at best only be a quarter of humanity that will remain which will still be reproducing at a sustainable rate or higher. They will mainly be from either African or Southeast Asian nations, with all other regions of the globe facing steep declines if the projections based on current trends continue as expected.

Humans aren't the most stable of animal species, there is no innate desire for a stable 2.1 children per woman. Generally speaking, people tend to have either too many children or too few.


Good. A large population drop like that is probably the least bad outcome at this point.
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Postby Torisakia » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:08 am

Laerod wrote:
Torisakia wrote:Or just not have kids at all.

Unless you plan on dying early, someone is going to have to pay for your retirement.

Isn't that what family members are for?
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:23 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:I may cause psychological problems for the child.

Might you? That's not very nice.

I meant to say it.
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Postby Nuwe Suid Afrika » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:29 pm

I'd say it's ethical.

As long as the child is within view of the parents, then put it on the child. However, if they're in a room where you can't see them, it's a different story. (i.e. if the whole family is in the living room watching television and the child gets rowdy, put the collar on).


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