Child Silencer Device... Is it Ethical?

[Costa Fierro]

Is the OP really asking the ethical questions of putting a shock collar on kids?

[Esternial]

Is the OP really asking the ethical questions of putting a shock collar on kids?

If you didn't read the entire OP, then yes.

[Costa Fierro]

Is the OP really asking the ethical questions of putting a shock collar on kids?

If you didn't read the entire OP, then yes.

I stopped reading when it mentioned a collar on kids that muted screams.

[Skeckoa]

I stopped reading when it mentioned a collar on kids that muted screams.

Read entire OP, no shocking involved

[Big Jim P]

Can it be used on adults as well?

[Saiwania]

Can it be used on adults as well?

I don't see why not, sound is really just vibrations.

[The Conez Imperium]

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

the child still communicates

Everyone has the right to impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. You are still denying the right of a child to scream. Which is child abuse.

[Alexanda]

It sounds quite evil, really.
No, it is not ethical, nor should it ever be allowed. What if the child is in distress for genuine reasons? It seems so dangerous, and wicked.

[Big Jim P]

Can it be used on adults as well?

I don't see why not, sound is really just vibrations.

Good, because there are just as many adults who need to be silenced as there are kid.

[Susurruses]

It's abuse.
It is blatant obvious abuse, and it would interfere significantly with healthy development.

Sounds like a way for narcissistic arseholes that should never have been parents to ignore their child's needs.
Anyone that would use such a device on anyone should have it permanently locked on themselves, and preferably kept far away from everyone else because they are fucking scum.

[Bulgar Rouge]

Fucking ridiculous idea. If you don't like children screaming, too bad. Noises are the simplest way of child communication, it's like accusing them of not being born with a 80,000-word vocabulary. I'm baffled how you would resort to child abuse for the sake of comfort, just like those parents who sedate their babies on flights.

This sounds too much like something out of Batman Beyond, that one villain that was able to perfectly manipulate sound waves with a suit he wore that cancelled sound waves out. I'm not sure if that would work. But I wouldn't be opposed to a device that would lower the volume of a source of noise to a manageable level. It would be capable of muting something, but it would be more useful to let some noise through.

There ya go.

[Harbertia]

It's a type of collar you can harmlessly attach around the neck of your child. Once the collar is turned on, the child's screams are Muted.

I believe a certain brand of sexuals would find a device most welcomed, so... yeah. I think it's a bad idea as it can be misused to conceal abuse, and especially be of assitance for dungeon scenarios, and slave making.

[Bunkeranlage]

Many children scream because they have a need, not because they're being naughty.

Being an eldest child, I've had to deal with my younger siblings quite a bit, and often, they cried and fussed because they needed something (i.e. they were hungry or thirsty). If one were to ignore that need, it could cause some major problems later on.

[The Nuclear Fist]

It's must be quite the effort for someone to write so many posts with such length over such a distinct period of time and so consistently produce so little of actual value.

That's a bad theoretical. Let's keep it that way.

[Rodovia]

I think the argument of whether such a device is ethical or not is moot. The real question is where "Parental Responsibility" begins and ends.

I don't have any children and I doubt that, at my age, I ever will. My views are as follows:

1) No one should have the "right" to have children. It should be a privilege. One granted via testing and background checks (much like owning a car or a gun, and incorrectly raised child is far deadlier then either of those items).

2) If granted the privilege, you take full responsibility for your child. You pay a tax for having one, not unlike the tax you pay on cars or owning property. If your child is unsupervised and becomes hurt of their own accord, you have no right to sue you neighbor for the unsafe conditions of his property. You child trespassed and became injured or killed. Your responsibility.

3) You cannot force your child upon society: if you go to restaurant, movie theatre, shopping mall were you child misbehaves and you are asked to leave, you must leave.

4) There is no stipend or tax credit for having a child. It's a privilege, one you must pay for. Members of society and the armed forces are penalized in the form of higher taxes and lower pay due to not having children. This is unfair and unjust.

5) On the hand, the state should do everything it can to increase everyone's standard of living. This would allow for one parent to stay home while the other works. Yes, you'll have to be happy with a Toyota Camry while your friends drive BMW's, but that is the price of having a child.

There is more I can write on this subject, but I'm tired and about to go to bed. I have seen well raised children and I have seen poorly raised children. I have also seen how America has become a nation of "entitled parents" because they think society should be forced to "care" for their children because these parents are unwilling or able to.

[Saiwania]

I think the argument of whether such a device is ethical or not is moot. The real question is where "Parental Responsibility" begins and ends.

I don't have any children and I doubt that, at my age, I ever will. My views are as follows...

Yeah, being this hostile to family planning and childcare isn't going to work for any society in the long term. Just noting that there are actually some countries such as France and Russia that pay people to have children which are at sub replacement level fertility. Sometimes for a nation's people, it is a question of not going extinct rather than considering children as costing too much money.

Approximately half of the world's people are currently reproducing at below replacement level, while the other half is way above it. The demographics are very unbalanced.

[Arab Jamahiriyahs]

If you don't want children to scream and yell all day, then just don't have one.
Problem solved.

[The Conez Imperium]

.My views are as follows:
1) No one should have the "right" to have children. It should be a privilege. One granted via testing and background checks (much like owning a car or a gun, and incorrectly raised child is far deadlier then either of those items).

That's a shame it goes against the UN declaration of Human rights if you say it should be a privilege to have kids.

Article 16.
(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.

Of course Article 16 doesn't specifically mention the right to produce a child however saying taking away the right to have a child goes against "having the right to found a family".

[Republic of Coldwater]

Well it isn't ethical. I sure as hell would want to be heard, as screaming means something, and with text, there is less meaning conveyed, and parents wouldn't be as able to understand a child's emotions, which is necessary for good communication and being better able to understand a child to cater to their needs.

Imagine if you were really angry, or was just hurt, and you scream on the top of the lungs, yet you are the only one who hears it, and your parents weren't there. That isn't very helpful. Lets say that the child is playing, and he falls and breaks his legs, and his parents are away, and his collar is still there. It'll take a long time before people can find that child. This is ultimately detrimental to both the child and the parents.

[Margno]

...freedom of speech.

[Purpelia]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with such a device. In fact, I'd make it mandatory. Although I'd change it so that instead of getting a text message the parent has to have headphones which transmit the horrible screeching of their offspring directly to them in stereo.

Imagine if you were really angry, or was just hurt, and you scream on the top of the lungs, yet you are the only one who hears it, and your parents weren't there. That isn't very helpful. Lets say that the child is playing, and he falls and breaks his legs, and his parents are away, and his collar is still there. It'll take a long time before people can find that child. This is ultimately detrimental to both the child and the parents.

Why did the parents abandon their child without supervision?

[Greed and Death]

Isn't this device called adderall ?

[The Holy Therns]

Consistent screaming is a learned behavior, done to get a desirable response from a caregiver. This is one of the reasons a parent should ignore a tantrum, because the child then associates a tantrum with being ignored, which discourages that behavior.

Using such a device is both unnecessary, and harmful, as children should have the ability to talk and interact with caregivers, as this helps in their development. If a parent is so over whelmed by screaming, that they're reduced to using a muzzle, I think it might be time have some parenting support.

have you ever lived under a roof with one of those screaming devils?

Irritated parents won't make good parents.

Very clearly, you wouldn't make a good parent.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Isn't this device called adderall ?

Or a ball gag.

[Saiwania]

have you ever lived under a roof with one of those screaming devils? Irritated parents won't make good parents.

It is something that can be difficult to deal with, but people seem so quick to forget that at one time or another, they were like a screaming devil themselves. A person is simply going to start out having less control over their actions as opposed to when they are an older child, an adolescent, or even an adult whose brain and body hasn't quite reached the peak of development at around their early to mid 20's.

I don't remember anything from before I was 5 or 6, probably never going to.