Child Silencer Device... Is it Ethical?

[Saiwania]

Whether jurisdictions allow abuse does not change that it is abuse.

I've noticed that the topic of corporal punishment is polarizing. I'm willing to bet that most people who aren't in favor, haven't been disciplined in that way before while those who have, don't think corporal punishment is all that abusive. I think it must be that children are spoiled by their parents more than they used to be.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Yeah just smack the shit out of your kids whenever they dare make a peep. I'm sure that has no negative developmental consequences at all.

As for this device, fuck no it isn't. Just because you had an experience with a loud child does not meant it is okay to essentially muzzle them now, just like how having a bad experience with a dog is not grounds to ban them.

Strawman!

I fail to see how.

[Imperializt Russia]

Whether jurisdictions allow abuse does not change that it is abuse.

Abuse or not, I find it a more plausible method of correcting behavior.

Much like prison doesn't correct the behaviour of many people who pass through its doors, child abuse doesn't correct the behaviour of many children who suffer it.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Strawman!

I fail to see how.

The person didn't say you need to smack the shit out of your child, nor at the slightest sign of speech...

[Des-Bal]

Not meaningfully less ethical than just tuning the kid out.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Whether jurisdictions allow abuse does not change that it is abuse.

I've noticed that the topic of corporal punishment is polarizing. I'm willing to bet that most people who aren't in favor, haven't been disciplined in that way before while those who have, don't think corporal punishment is all that abusive. I think it must be that children are spoiled by their parents more than they used to be.

I was beat/hit as a child, and I do not support it. Because it did nothing to improve my behavior.

[Torisakia]

Abuse or not, I find it a more plausible method of correcting behavior.

Much like prison doesn't correct the behaviour of many people who pass through its doors, child abuse doesn't correct the behaviour of many children who suffer it.

I could say it corrected me, in a way. But since I don't represent every child, it's up for debate. But letting kids get off scot-free with misbehavior just doesn't seem to make sense, in my warped and wicked sense of the world.

[MERIZoC]

Much like prison doesn't correct the behaviour of many people who pass through its doors, child abuse doesn't correct the behaviour of many children who suffer it.

I could say it corrected me, in a way. But since I don't represent every child, it's up for debate. But letting kids get off scot-free with misbehavior just doesn't seem to make sense, in my warped and wicked sense of the world.

Stupid babies, crying and shit. They should just behave.

[Laerod]

It's not. It's equally reprehensible.

I just think parents should raise their children how they see fit, so long as they don't kill them/use them for sex acts/source of money/etc.

And this is why parents shouldn't abuse their children. For one, it makes it more likely they condone child abuse.

[Torisakia]

I could say it corrected me, in a way. But since I don't represent every child, it's up for debate. But letting kids get off scot-free with misbehavior just doesn't seem to make sense, in my warped and wicked sense of the world.

Stupid babies, crying and shit. They should just behave.

Indeed, I guess.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

I fail to see how.

The person didn't say you need to smack the shit out of your child, nor at the slightest sign of speech...

My mistake, let's smack our kids in the face when we get fed up with them being loud.

Yeah that still doesn't sound good.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Abuse-enabling devices are not ethical.

Whether jurisdictions allow abuse does not change that it is abuse.

I've noticed that the topic of corporal punishment is polarizing. I'm willing to bet that most people who aren't in favor, haven't been disciplined in that way before while those who have, don't think corporal punishment is all that abusive. I think it must be that children are spoiled by their parents more than they used to be in currently developed countries.

I've been corporally punished before. And I dislike it.
In my opinion, if you want your children to treat you the same way that the Mexicans under Porifirio Diaz treated Diaz- like a feared and hated dictator- go on ahead. If you want a relationship of respect and love, try to hold back the instinct to kick a little ass in the keister, and instead try punishments that are longer-lasting and less physical. Or just apply the teachings of B.F. Skinner to your parenting and reinforce preferred behaviors as much as possible.
It's entirely possible that the results are inverted, and corporal punishment is one of the experiences of a loving child and rewards for preferred behavior feed the hatred of another kid. Though I will admit that the statements I made in my first paragraph should have been phrased as to say that they were general tendencies, not unbreaking rules.

[The Leodensian Republic]

Thank whatever higher power some wealthy Victorian captain of industry and/or inventor didn't conceive of this device or even mass-manufacture them.

[Imperializt Russia]

Much like prison doesn't correct the behaviour of many people who pass through its doors, child abuse doesn't correct the behaviour of many children who suffer it.

I could say it corrected me, in a way. But since I don't represent every child, it's up for debate. But letting kids get off scot-free with misbehavior just doesn't seem to make sense, in my warped and wicked sense of the world.

There are ways of "not letting kids get off scot-free" without resorting to violence.

[Laerod]

Whether jurisdictions allow abuse does not change that it is abuse.

I've noticed that the topic of corporal punishment is polarizing. I'm willing to bet that most people who aren't in favor, haven't been disciplined in that way before while those who have, don't think corporal punishment is all that abusive. I think it must be that children are spoiled by their parents more than they used to be.

It's true: Abused children are more likely to view abuse as favorable. However that doesn't change one lick about how appropriate it is. And trust me on this as a more objective observer: You of all people do not want to make the argument that being conditioned with violence as a child has not had a negative impact on your current personality.

[Laerod]

Strawman!

I fail to see how.

Toriskania hasn't talked about beating the shit out of kids but you alluded as much. Mind you, I agree totally that merely hitting a kid across the face is unacceptable much like viciously beating them is. But if we want to convince people that using violence to get your way with kids is never ok, putting words in their mouth is probably not helpful.

[Torisakia]

I could say it corrected me, in a way. But since I don't represent every child, it's up for debate. But letting kids get off scot-free with misbehavior just doesn't seem to make sense, in my warped and wicked sense of the world.

There are ways of "not letting kids get off scot-free" without resorting to violence.

Because I'm sure telling little Johnny 'don't do it again or I'm taking your Xbox away' really teaches them something (besides how to play handhelds). But since I follow a 'treat your kid however' ideal, I'm not one to say much.

[Imperializt Russia]

If you take away a full-size console and leave the handhelds, you've done a shit job of confiscation.
Best thing my parents could do to me was demand I sit downstairs with them. No escape, no distractions. Sure, I'm sat there watching TV, but I'm not doing anything besides or untoward.

[Laerod]

There are ways of "not letting kids get off scot-free" without resorting to violence.

Because I'm sure telling little Johnny 'don't do it again or I'm taking your Xbox away' really teaches them something (besides how to play handhelds). But since I follow a 'treat your kid however' ideal, I'm not one to say much.

And anytime you have to resort to violence to discipline a child is a failure at parenting.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

I fail to see how.

Toriskania hasn't talked about beating the shit out of kids but you alluded as much. Mind you, I agree totally that merely hitting a kid across the face is unacceptable much like viciously beating them is. But if we want to convince people that using violence to get your way with kids is never ok, putting words in their mouth is probably not helpful.

I meant it more as a figure of speech than a purposeful strawman. My mistake.

[The Emerald Dawn]

If you take away a full-size console and leave the handhelds, you've done a shit job of confiscation.
Best thing my parents could do to me was demand I sit downstairs with them. No escape, no distractions. Sure, I'm sat there watching TV, but I'm not doing anything besides or untoward.

My father taught me how to dig a trench line.

...I dug a lot of trenches.

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm sure if my father had been as interesting as yours, my body would have been more evenly proportioned.

[Wulfcastle]

It's really only in the last fifty years or so that it became unacceptable to strike a child.
Before that, it was not only acceptable, it was expected.

"Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them." -Proverbs 13:24 (NIV)

As much as I hate bringing religion into this discussion, that particular quote seems quite appropriate.
Kids today are foul-mouthed, undisciplined, and spoiled. Kids fifty years ago were respectful to their elders and knew how to keep their mouths shut.

The job of a parent is not to coddle the child. The job of a parent is to prepare the child for adult life.
One of the most important lessons that a child needs to learn is personal responsibility, and spoiling a child teaches them nothing.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

There are ways of "not letting kids get off scot-free" without resorting to violence.

Because I'm sure telling little Johnny 'don't do it again or I'm taking your Xbox away' really teaches them something (besides how to play handhelds). But since I follow a 'treat your kid however' ideal, I'm not one to say much.

Well...the console thing worked for me.

[Imperializt Russia]

Since in the adult world, we don't allow adults to strike other adults, beating your children seems like a wholly inappropriate way to "prepare them for adult life".