Child Silencer Device... Is it Ethical?

[Torisakia]

If only Billy Mays was still alive he could advertise this.

My favorite device to silence a child is called a hand across the face. It's actually pretty useful. My parents used it. But a silencer could work too, I guess.

[Great Nepal]

Because we dont have parenting licence which requires parents to be educated on how to interpret toddler's concerns and pacify them.

So we should give them a device that makes them think they're doing it right? Sounds like the worst idea ever to encourage hands-off parenting, the kind that actually kills children.

No we give them a device that ensures they are not overwhelmed by child crying - instead they get a text message which could even include reminders as to feeding time, sleeping time etc and flashing lights. Plus the neighbours are not disturbed.

[Imperializt Russia]

So we should give them a device that makes them think they're doing it right? Sounds like the worst idea ever to encourage hands-off parenting, the kind that actually kills children.

No we give them a device that ensures they are not overwhelmed by child crying - instead they get a text message which could even include reminders as to feeding time, sleeping time etc and flashing lights. Plus the neighbours are not disturbed.

Parents are more than adept at ignoring continual crying and killing their kids that way.

[Caribica]

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[MERIZoC]

What the fuck? No, it really isn't.

[Lost heros]

How wouldn't it cause developmental disorders?

I am picturing something rather unintrusive (no idea why IM created this as collar, piece of clothing would be so much better) which essentially neutralizes the noise while providing visual and message alerts to the parents (or other guardian) so child doesn't scream and hears nothing - they hear everything but no one else does (they instead see the child's cloths glowing and get a message for instance) and they can respond accordingly.

Obviously it would be tested on actual kids, and if it creates any disorders it will never be sold.

Except messages are much more easily ignored than say screaming.

[MERIZoC]

If only Billy Mays was still alive he could advertise this.

My favorite device to silence a child is called a hand across the face. It's actually pretty useful. My parents used it. But a silencer could work too, I guess.

You heard it here folks. Beat your kids.

[Great Nepal]

No we give them a device that ensures they are not overwhelmed by child crying - instead they get a text message which could even include reminders as to feeding time, sleeping time etc and flashing lights. Plus the neighbours are not disturbed.

Parents are more than adept at ignoring continual crying and killing their kids that way.

Then perhaps the device could include a timer, if child cries for longer than x time (subject to research) then it stops blocking the noise. If it continues beyond x+y time, it sends an alert to child services.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Disorders take years to develop. To have a meaningful study, you'd have to subject children to years of potential abuse.

Why not skip it, and just learn to parent?

Because we dont have parenting licence which requires parents to be educated on how to interpret toddler's concerns and pacify them.

We don't need a license. What we need is fething common sense - something all too uncommon these days, judging from opinions like this.

Baby crying? Go to baby. Pick up baby. Speak warmly, soothingly to baby. Is baby wet/dirty? Change diaper. Hungry? Feed. In need of snuggles? Cuddle like mad and love the little bugger right up. Pacifier wanted? Give. Toy or play? Make it so. Needs to be rocked to sleep? Sit ass down in chair and get to it. Wants to walk about? Get off ass and carry about.

Really. It isn't rocket science. It simply takes giving a damn, and using your goram head. If you feel unequal to the task, don't have kids. And don't consider yourself the authority on 'how to' if you don't have them, and haven't had the experience of helping raise one. Many of those folks haven't the first clue.

[Lost heros]

If only Billy Mays was still alive he could advertise this.

My favorite device to silence a child is called a hand across the face. It's actually pretty useful. My parents used it. But a silencer could work too, I guess.

I thought we were trying to avoid potential child abuse?

[Imperializt Russia]

Parents are more than adept at ignoring continual crying and killing their kids that way.

Then perhaps the device could include a timer, if child cries for longer than x time (subject to research) then it stops blocking the noise. If it continues beyond x+y time, it sends an alert to child services.

Research into what?

You're doing little, read nothing, to convince me you're not an awful person with a pathetic moral code.

[Great Nepal]

Because we dont have parenting licence which requires parents to be educated on how to interpret toddler's concerns and pacify them.

We don't need a license. What we need is fething common sense - something all too uncommon these days, judging from opinions like this.

Baby crying? Go to baby. Pick up baby. Speak warmly, soothingly to baby. Is baby wet/dirty? Change diaper. Hungry? Feed. In need of snuggles? Cuddle like mad and love the little bugger right up. Pacifier wanted? Give. Toy or play? Make it so. Needs to be rocked to sleep? Sit ass down in chair and get to it. Wants to walk about? Get off ass and carry about.

Really. It isn't rocket science. It simply takes giving a damn, and using your goram head. If you feel unequal to the task, don't have kids. And don't consider yourself the authority on 'how to' if you don't have them, and haven't had the experience of helping raise one. Many of those folks haven't the first clue.

If every parent was doing that then there would be no incidents where parents are fined because toddler makes to much noise, and if everyone did that CSD would not prevent it in the slightest - you can just as well respond to a message and child's clothing flashing away. Plus if everyone found it that easy there would be no demand for CSD at all.

[Great Nepal]

Then perhaps the device could include a timer, if child cries for longer than x time (subject to research) then it stops blocking the noise. If it continues beyond x+y time, it sends an alert to child services.

Research into what?

Average timing where child stops crying given adequate responses by the guardian.

You're doing little, read nothing, to convince me you're not an awful person with a pathetic moral code.

I dont need to convince you of shit.

[Torisakia]

If only Billy Mays was still alive he could advertise this.

My favorite device to silence a child is called a hand across the face. It's actually pretty useful. My parents used it. But a silencer could work too, I guess.

You heard it here folks. Beat your kids.

I'm not saying pulverize them. Just a slight tap to the head when they misbehave. If it doesn't cause serious injury, it really can't be classified as abuse. But that depends on the jurisdiction's laws regarding such.

[Laerod]

You heard it here folks. Beat your kids.

I'm not saying pulverize them. Just a slight tap to the head when they misbehave. If it doesn't cause serious injury, it really can't be classified as abuse. But that depends on the jurisdiction's laws regarding such.

You're using violence against a child. That's abuse and is generally classified as such in the Western World.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

We don't need a license. What we need is fething common sense - something all too uncommon these days, judging from opinions like this.

Baby crying? Go to baby. Pick up baby. Speak warmly, soothingly to baby. Is baby wet/dirty? Change diaper. Hungry? Feed. In need of snuggles? Cuddle like mad and love the little bugger right up. Pacifier wanted? Give. Toy or play? Make it so. Needs to be rocked to sleep? Sit ass down in chair and get to it. Wants to walk about? Get off ass and carry about.

Really. It isn't rocket science. It simply takes giving a damn, and using your goram head. If you feel unequal to the task, don't have kids. And don't consider yourself the authority on 'how to' if you don't have them, and haven't had the experience of helping raise one. Many of those folks haven't the first clue.

If every parent was doing that then there would be no incidents where parents are fined because toddler makes to much noise, and if everyone did that CSD would not prevent it in the slightest - you can just as well respond to a message and child's clothing flashing away. Plus if everyone found it that easy there would be no demand for CSD at all.

That doesn't mean you strap a silencer on a kid, though. And really - it is that 'easy'. The fact that some find it irritating, time-sucking, and not so easy is beside the point. If you take on the responsibility of parenting, you'd best get to it. I don't buy the 'not everyone does so we have to do something to the kids on account'. It isn't the kid's fault, and they shouldn't be punished like that.

Not a punishment? The hell it isn't. You try going around all day not being able to communicate, see how that goes for you. Frustration is something a little one has to learn how to deal with - they aren't equipped right off the bat. Hence, simple reactions that we as adults have to interpret to get the problem solved. Hence, we need those sounds the kids make to know what's wrong with them.

As a parent, I learned the tired cry, the hungry cry, the scared cry, the hurt cry, the wet/dirty cry - there is a load of information in how your kid cries, what noises they're making, how they're making them. Take that away, and you're taking away an important, valid avenue of communication. Your idea on timers and such is quite frankly, crap. Kids don't work on regular schedules. They aren't machines. They aren't meant to be turned on or off at your convenience. They have to learn - and they learn from us.

[Torisakia]

I'm not saying pulverize them. Just a slight tap to the head when they misbehave. If it doesn't cause serious injury, it really can't be classified as abuse. But that depends on the jurisdiction's laws regarding such.

You're using violence against a child. That's abuse and is generally classified as such in the Western World.

Like I said, depends on jurisdiction code. Some places allow physical punishment on children so long as it doesn't cause serious harm (only slight discomfort, as something like spanking or light taps would do) the amount of force used is unnecessary (i.e punching your kid square in the face because he beat you a Kerplunk), and/or it's purpose is something other than correcting inappropriate behavior (as causing disruptions is, at some points, inappropriate behavior.

[Laerod]

You're using violence against a child. That's abuse and is generally classified as such in the Western World.

Like I said, depends on jurisdiction code. Some places allow physical punishment on children so long as it doesn't cause serious harm (only slight discomfort, as something like spanking or light taps would do) the amount of force used is unnecessary (i.e punching your kid square in the face because he beat you a Kerplunk), and/or it's purpose is something other than correcting inappropriate behavior (as causing disruptions is, at some points, inappropriate behavior.

Whether jurisdictions allow abuse does not change that it is abuse.

[Torisakia]

Like I said, depends on jurisdiction code. Some places allow physical punishment on children so long as it doesn't cause serious harm (only slight discomfort, as something like spanking or light taps would do) the amount of force used is unnecessary (i.e punching your kid square in the face because he beat you a Kerplunk), and/or it's purpose is something other than correcting inappropriate behavior (as causing disruptions is, at some points, inappropriate behavior.

Whether jurisdictions allow abuse does not change that it is abuse.

Abuse or not, I find it a more plausible method of correcting behavior.

[The Emerald Dawn]

If every parent was doing that then there would be no incidents where parents are fined because toddler makes to much noise, and if everyone did that CSD would not prevent it in the slightest - you can just as well respond to a message and child's clothing flashing away. Plus if everyone found it that easy there would be no demand for CSD at all.

That doesn't mean you strap a silencer on a kid, though. And really - it is that 'easy'. The fact that some find it irritating, time-sucking, and not so easy is beside the point. If you take on the responsibility of parenting, you'd best get to it. I don't buy the 'not everyone does so we have to do something to the kids on account'. It isn't the kid's fault, and they shouldn't be punished like that.

Not a punishment? The hell it isn't. You try going around all day not being able to communicate, see how that goes for you. Frustration is something a little one has to learn how to deal with - they aren't equipped right off the bat. Hence, simple reactions that we as adults have to interpret to get the problem solved. Hence, we need those sounds the kids make to know what's wrong with them.

As a parent, I learned the tired cry, the hungry cry, the scared cry, the hurt cry, the wet/dirty cry - there is a load of information in how your kid cries, what noises they're making, how they're making them. Take that away, and you're taking away an important, valid avenue of communication. Your idea on timers and such is quite frankly, crap. Kids don't work on regular schedules. They aren't machines. They aren't meant to be turned on or off at your convenience. They have to learn - and they learn from us.

In addition to this, if you want reasonable, well adjusted adults you'd better learn to communicate with your kids.

All those assholes in line at an ATM? The people throwing drinks at cars on the highway? The ones who talk through a movie in a theater? The people who treat CS personnel like crap?

Yeah, they weren't taught effective communication, and the parents take the vast majority of the blame for this.

[Laerod]

Whether jurisdictions allow abuse does not change that it is abuse.

Abuse or not, I find it a more plausible method of correcting behavior.

It's not. It's equally reprehensible.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

If only Billy Mays was still alive he could advertise this.

My favorite device to silence a child is called a hand across the face. It's actually pretty useful. My parents used it. But a silencer could work too, I guess.

Yeah just smack the shit out of your kids whenever they dare make a peep. I'm sure that has no negative developmental consequences at all.

As for this device, fuck no it isn't. Just because you had an experience with a loud child does not meant it is okay to essentially muzzle them now, just like how having a bad experience with a dog is not grounds to ban them.

[MERIZoC]

Whether jurisdictions allow abuse does not change that it is abuse.

Abuse or not, I find it a more plausible method of correcting behavior.

Studies prove it's not.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

If only Billy Mays was still alive he could advertise this.

My favorite device to silence a child is called a hand across the face. It's actually pretty useful. My parents used it. But a silencer could work too, I guess.

Yeah just smack the shit out of your kids whenever they dare make a peep. I'm sure that has no negative developmental consequences at all.

As for this device, fuck no it isn't. Just because you had an experience with a loud child does not meant it is okay to essentially muzzle them now, just like how having a bad experience with a dog is not grounds to ban them.

Strawman!

[Torisakia]

Abuse or not, I find it a more plausible method of correcting behavior.

It's not. It's equally reprehensible.

I just think parents should raise their children how they see fit, so long as they don't kill them/use them for sex acts/source of money/etc.