Estonian Parliamentary Election, 2015

[Teemant]

They seem pretty lax/liberal-ish in comparison to other Christian Democratic (and equivalent) parties in that region of Europe, no?

Compared to the Christian democratic parties in the Baltics, yes. But, they're remarkably similar to Western European Christian Democratic parties. The only exception is that the Estonian Pro Patria Union is mildly nationalistic.

Estonian parties don't use word christian a lot because only 13% of people go to protestant church. Russian minority goes to orthodox church.

[Teemant]

Weren't there are few other smaller parties, too?

Yes but it is unlikely they will get into parliament. In addition to current parliament parties I see only 2 possible additions. Conservative party and Vabaerakond (not sure how to translate it but directly it is Free Party).

[The Liberated Territories]

Weren't there are few other smaller parties, too?

Yes but it is unlikely they will get into parliament. In addition to current parliament parties I see only 2 possible additions. Conservative party and Vabaerakond (not sure how to translate it but directly it is Free Party).

Looked at the Vabaerakond's (Free Democratic Party) website. Yep, their statists and don't deserve their party name.

[Teemant]

Yes but it is unlikely they will get into parliament. In addition to current parliament parties I see only 2 possible additions. Conservative party and Vabaerakond (not sure how to translate it but directly it is Free Party).

Looked at the Vabaerakond's (Free Democratic Party) website. Yep, their statists and don't deserve their party name.

They are not against state. They may have meant something else with this name.

They might have a solid result in elections because they have some well known actors and people known to public as their canditates (reasonable people in my opinion). Vabaerakond is centrist in my opinion (not sure).

[Jackonia]

A Party that advocates leaving the European Unions deserves to win any Election.

[Teemant]

A Party that advocates leaving the European Unions deserves to win any Election.

No Estonian party wants to leave (Parties that have a possibility to get into parliament).

Estonians like EU and euro.

[Kantona]

Indeed. I shouldn't say I'm "pretty right wing", since I'm about as socially liberal as one gets. But, when it comes to the economy, I firmly believe in privatizing just about all the things.

One question: Don't you think that the wealth of national resources of a country belong to its citizens?

Yes and that is the point of market liberalism. In socialism the resources are under the control of the state in market liberalism it is quite the opposite, the resources and economy are under the control of the ordinary people.

[Calimera II]

One question: Don't you think that the wealth of national resources of a country belong to its citizens?

Yes and that is the point of market liberalism. In socialism the resources are under the control of the state in market liberalism it is quite the opposite, especially since Estonia has no resources.

Not per definition.

[Kantona]

Compared to the Christian democratic parties in the Baltics, yes. But, they're remarkably similar to Western European Christian Democratic parties. The only exception is that the Estonian Pro Patria Union is mildly nationalistic.

Estonian parties don't use word christian a lot because only 13% of people go to protestant church. Russian minority goes to orthodox church.

Seeing all the aspects of Estonian society it resembles a lot to Scandinavia. Just dont turn into Sweden.

[Jackonia]

No, the Estonian Government likes the Euro and the EU. If the people were told the truth about the EU then I'm sure you would see a different result.

[Arkolon]

No, the Estonian Government likes the Euro and the EU. If the people were told the truth about the EU then I'm sure you would see a different result.

Hohoho, this is going to be fun.

[Scepez]

No, the Estonian Government likes the Euro and the EU. If the people were told the truth about the EU then I'm sure you would see a different result.

How about no?
I think the EU and euro is great, and I'm Estonian.

[Dejanic]

Reform seems like a Classical Liberal party to me, they're to the right of the "Conservative Liberal" VVD, but to the left of the American Libertarian party.

To me, they seem quite similar to Germany's FDP and Holland's VVD. After all, all these parties support market liberalism, social liberalism, and relatively limited state intervention in the economy.

I wouldn't compare them to the VVD, the VVD is a very moderate centre-right Conservative Liberal party, they believe in regulated free market capitalism, public healthcare/education, etc.

Reform seems genuinely full on Classical Liberal, they're way to the right of VVD.

[Southern Hampshire]

No, the Estonian Government likes the Euro and the EU. If the people were told the truth about the EU then I'm sure you would see a different result.

Russian or UK IP?

[Jackonia]

UKIP. The Euro is a failed attemp to standardise Europe according to the ideals of a select group of Idivi duals who aren't even voted for by the people. Democracy? I think not.

[Dejanic]

Reform seems like a Classical Liberal party to me, they're to the right of the "Conservative Liberal" VVD, but to the left of the American Libertarian party.

Conservative Liberalism was basically watered down, moderated classical liberalism. Classical liberalism IS what the Libertarian Party endorses (although it does have a semi-anarchist undercurrent.) The Reform Party seems to be to the right of VVD definitely, but whether to call them classical liberals, I'd have to have an understanding of their long term goals.

A better term would probably be "neoliberal," since they seem to heavily incorporate a lot of neoliberal beliefs and they don't seem to be sticklers on ending the Russian created welfare state but trying to make it more efficient.

I agree with your first statement (Conservative Liberalism is a watered down moderate version of classical liberalism, which accepts certain provisions like national healthcare, basic regulations, etc), I'd slightly disagree with your second statement concerning Libertarianism though, as I see Libertarianism as a form of Classical Liberalism (but not identical) specifically applied to the USA, so there's some differences between Classical Liberalism of the European variety, and USA Libertarianism.

[Martean]

No, the Estonian Government likes the Euro and the EU. If the people were told the truth about the EU then I'm sure you would see a different result.

How about no?
I think the EU and euro is great, and I'm Estonian.

Yeah, in 10-15 years you won't say the same.

[Jackonia]

Once the Euro collapses,economies collapse and Revolutions start, you'll be sorry you joined the Euro and the EU.

[Southern Hampshire]

Once the Euro collapses,economies collapse and Revolutions start, you'll be sorry you joined the Euro and the EU.

Well that's the standard of every currency ... Same thing will happen with the dollar pound and yen.

[Jackonia]

The Euro is not the same as the Dollar or Pound or Yen. It is forced on Nations with different economical systems and currency values, which means a collapse in inevitable unlike the other currencies. It will be particularly devastating for EU protectorates like Greece when it collapses.

[Southern Hampshire]

The Euro is not the same as the Dollar or Pound or Yen. It is forced on Nations with different economical systems and currency values, which means a collapse in inevitable unlike the other currencies. It will be particularly devastating for EU protectorates like Greece when it collapses.

I'm not sure how those factors you listed in any way correlate to a hypothetical Euro collapse.

Every currency has a different value. That's the point of exchange rates.

[Geilinor]

Estonian parties don't use word christian a lot because only 13% of people go to protestant church. Russian minority goes to orthodox church.

Seeing all the aspects of Estonian society it resembles a lot to Scandinavia. Just dont turn into Sweden.

Estonia is wannabe Scandinavia. Their goal is to be like a Nordic country in the long run, or so I've read.

[Dejanic]

The Euro is not the same as the Dollar or Pound or Yen. It is forced on Nations with different economical systems and currency values, which means a collapse in inevitable unlike the other currencies. It will be particularly devastating for EU protectorates like Greece when it collapses.

It sounds like you want it to collapse, because your argument isn't very convincing.

[Southern Hampshire]

The Euro is not the same as the Dollar or Pound or Yen. It is forced on Nations with different economical systems and currency values, which means a collapse in inevitable unlike the other currencies. It will be particularly devastating for EU protectorates like Greece when it collapses.

I'm not sure how those factors you listed in any way correlate to a hypothetical Euro collapse.
Please expand your debate.

Every currency has a different value. That's the point of exchange rates.


What the hell

How did I quote a post and reply during an edit

[Dejanic]

Seeing all the aspects of Estonian society it resembles a lot to Scandinavia. Just dont turn into Sweden.

Estonia is wannabe Scandinavia. Their goal is to be like a Nordic country in the long run, or so I've read.

Eh, that's a bit of a simplification. Estonia see's themselves as closer to the Nordics in a cultural sense, but they're not exactly emulating Nordic Social Democracy in a political sense, and I don't think they want to.