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Estonian Reform Party
61
31%
Estonian Centre Party
13
7%
Pro Patria and Res Publica Union
14
7%
Social Democratic Party
57
29%
Conservative People's Party
30
15%
Rob Ford Write-in
10
5%
The Bonobo Separatist League
14
7%
 
Total votes : 199

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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:24 pm

Calimera II wrote:
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Indeed, it's not. Perhaps one of us could start a thread discussing the benefits/drawbacks of privatization.


Feel free to do so.


Will do. Expect it to be up this evening, if I'm feeling unusually productive.
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Postby Scepez » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:25 pm

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Too cheap :p
There are bums walking around the park 24/7.


Stay away from the park, stay at the bar. Problem. Solved.


They seem to like outdoor pummeling better.
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Postby Calimera II » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:25 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
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Feel free to do so.


Will do. Expect it to be up this evening, if I'm feeling unusually productive.


Sounds good!

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Postby Imyoji » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:26 pm

The Reform party would be the best choice. Best wishes Estonia.
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Postby Calimera II » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:28 pm

Imyoji wrote:The Reform party would be the best choice. Best wishes Estonia.


Yup, or the Pro Patria and Res Publica Union.

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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:32 pm

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Imyoji wrote:The Reform party would be the best choice. Best wishes Estonia.


Yup, or the Pro Patria and Res Publica Union.


If only they'd scrap their socially conservative and nationalistic stances. But, they're alright. They seem comparable to parties like the Polish Civic Platform and Spanish People's Party. Both of which are incredibly "meh."
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Postby Imyoji » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:32 pm

Calimera II wrote:
Imyoji wrote:The Reform party would be the best choice. Best wishes Estonia.


Yup, or the Pro Patria and Res Publica Union.

They seem pretty lax/liberal-ish in comparison to other Christian Democratic (and equivalent) parties in that region of Europe, no?
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
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Yup, or the Pro Patria and Res Publica Union.


If only they'd scrap their socially conservative and nationalistic stances. But, they're alright. They seem comparable to parties like the Polish Civic Platform and Spanish People's Party. Both of which are incredibly "meh."

Poland is an oddball in regards to that, it's really really conservative yet... there isn't anything too noteworthy. Like, it just exists for the sake of existence and catering to Poland's blatant Catholic... ness.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:35 pm

Imyoji wrote:
Calimera II wrote:
Yup, or the Pro Patria and Res Publica Union.

They seem pretty lax/liberal-ish in comparison to other Christian Democratic (and equivalent) parties in that region of Europe, no?


Compared to the Christian democratic parties in the Baltics, yes. But, they're remarkably similar to Western European Christian Democratic parties. The only exception is that the Estonian Pro Patria Union is mildly nationalistic.
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Postby Imyoji » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:37 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Imyoji wrote:They seem pretty lax/liberal-ish in comparison to other Christian Democratic (and equivalent) parties in that region of Europe, no?


Compared to the Christian democratic parties in the Baltics, yes. But, they're remarkably similar to Western European Christian Democratic parties. The only exception is that the Estonian Pro Patria Union is mildly nationalistic.

Nothing wrong with that when you've got this big imposing neighbor that oppressed them for a pretty long damn time. Can't blame them.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:44 pm

Imyoji wrote:
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Compared to the Christian democratic parties in the Baltics, yes. But, they're remarkably similar to Western European Christian Democratic parties. The only exception is that the Estonian Pro Patria Union is mildly nationalistic.

Nothing wrong with that when you've got this big imposing neighbor that oppressed them for a pretty long damn time. Can't blame them.


I suppose I never considered that. But, ethnic nationalism is still an abhorrent viewpoint. But, nothing is wrong with a little civic nationalism in Estonia's case, considering the fact that Russia is next door.
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Postby Imyoji » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:46 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Imyoji wrote:Nothing wrong with that when you've got this big imposing neighbor that oppressed them for a pretty long damn time. Can't blame them.


I suppose I never considered that. But, ethnic nationalism is still an abhorrent viewpoint. But, nothing is wrong with a little civic nationalism in Estonia's case, considering the fact that Russia is next door.

The Conservative Party of Estonia is abhorrent, yes.

A well, the troubles of being a small nation next to a menace. /smacked by Estonians who say, 'Estonia can into relevance'
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:04 pm

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If they are any similar to the FDP of Germany and VVD of the Netherlands, then most likely they'd be socially liberal, or at least socially moderate. It's the liberal tradition.

Reform seems like a Classical Liberal party to me, they're to the right of the "Conservative Liberal" VVD, but to the left of the American Libertarian party.


Conservative Liberalism was basically watered down, moderated classical liberalism. Classical liberalism IS what the Libertarian Party endorses (although it does have a semi-anarchist undercurrent.) The Reform Party seems to be to the right of VVD definitely, but whether to call them classical liberals, I'd have to have an understanding of their long term goals.

A better term would probably be "neoliberal," since they seem to heavily incorporate a lot of neoliberal beliefs and they don't seem to be sticklers on ending the Russian created welfare state but trying to make it more efficient.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:10 pm

Scepez wrote:I'm not old enough to vote, but I certainly can see that the Reform Party is not doing anything of use. Sure they might promise something, but they just end up changing absolutely nothing.


I agree somewhat, but for the opposite reasons. They've backed down a bit too much. The RefP needs to increase it's privatization schemes and continue to lower taxes across the board to kickstart the economy after the 09 slump.
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Postby Teemant » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:19 pm

Scepez wrote:
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In all fairness, Estonia's minimum wage is higher than that of it's other Baltic neighbors. Obviously, it doesn't have a minimum wage akin to Western Europe, because it's not quite as developed. But, despite the fact that Estonia has a relatively low minimum wage, the wages are higher than in any of it's neighbors(well, except for Finland), and very few citizens live in poverty. Lastly, income inequality isn't a major problem in Estonia. All seems to be going well there, and as the economy continues to grow, as will a generous welfare state.


The economy is growing, but the money goes to the wrong hands. In my city, the government can't even give the school where I go to enough money to do some very necessary repairs. The Politicians are the ones with some of the biggest wages and that lead to some distrust in the public.


Depends which party rules your city.
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Postby Teemant » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:21 pm

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Arkolon wrote:Google says it bites, but it's only an average 2-3 degrees celsius lower all year round than where I currently live..


You live in Luxembourg. You could easily adjust to a cloudy, cold climate, since you currently live in one. Maybe, just maybe, I'll consider moving to Estonia if global warming manages to make the temperature much warmer there. :p


I mean Estonian summers can be over 30 C warm and winters up to -30 C. Strange things can happen.
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Postby Imyoji » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:21 pm

Teemant wrote:
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You live in Luxembourg. You could easily adjust to a cloudy, cold climate, since you currently live in one. Maybe, just maybe, I'll consider moving to Estonia if global warming manages to make the temperature much warmer there. :p


I mean Estonian summers can be over 30 C warm and winters up to -30 C. Strange things can happen.

Sounds like Canadian climate.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:24 pm

Teemant wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
You live in Luxembourg. You could easily adjust to a cloudy, cold climate, since you currently live in one. Maybe, just maybe, I'll consider moving to Estonia if global warming manages to make the temperature much warmer there. :p


I mean Estonian summers can be over 30 C warm and winters up to -30 C. Strange things can happen.


30 C? That's a crisp early March day here in Phoenix. -30 celsius sounds absolutely hellish. The lowest temperature I can tolerate is 14 celsius.
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Postby Scepez » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:25 pm

Teemant wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
You live in Luxembourg. You could easily adjust to a cloudy, cold climate, since you currently live in one. Maybe, just maybe, I'll consider moving to Estonia if global warming manages to make the temperature much warmer there. :p


I mean Estonian summers can be over 30 C warm and winters up to -30 C. Strange things can happen.


I live in Pärnu, which I think is run by the Reform Party, but feel free to correct.
EDIT - Quoted the wrong post :p
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Postby Imyoji » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:25 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Teemant wrote:
I mean Estonian summers can be over 30 C warm and winters up to -30 C. Strange things can happen.


30 C? That's a crisp early March day here in Phoenix. -30 celsius sounds absolutely hellish. The lowest temperature I can tolerate is 14 celsius.

u live in a desert

are deserts not cold in the night???
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:26 pm

Scepez wrote:
Teemant wrote:
I mean Estonian summers can be over 30 C warm and winters up to -30 C. Strange things can happen.


I live in Pärnu, which I think is run by the Reform Party, but feel free to correct.


Correct.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:27 pm

Imyoji wrote:
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30 C? That's a crisp early March day here in Phoenix. -30 celsius sounds absolutely hellish. The lowest temperature I can tolerate is 14 celsius.

u live in a desert

are deserts not cold in the night???


Phoenix has a urban heat island. Plus, there is a lack of elevation here. Most winter nights fail to dip below 45F. And, in the daytime, it usually reaches 70F on a typical January day. I've seen 85F days in January. In the summertime, I've seen 123F, without taking humidity into account.
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Postby Teemant » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:27 pm

Scepez wrote:
Teemant wrote:
I mean Estonian summers can be over 30 C warm and winters up to -30 C. Strange things can happen.


I live in Pärnu, which I think is run by the Reform Party, but feel free to correct.


Pärnu mayor has been in Reform Party for 2 months now.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:28 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Imyoji wrote:u live in a desert

are deserts not cold in the night???


Phoenix has a urban heat island. Plus, there is a lack of elevation here. Most winter nights fail to dip below 45F. And, in the daytime, it usually reaches 70F on a typical January day. I've seen 85F days in January. In the summertime, I've seen 123F, without taking humidity into account.


Can you even go outdoors in that weather? Like, what happens if the A/C breaks?
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Postby Teemant » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:30 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Imyoji wrote:u live in a desert

are deserts not cold in the night???


Phoenix has a urban heat island. Plus, there is a lack of elevation here. Most winter nights fail to dip below 45F. And, in the daytime, it usually reaches 70F on a typical January day. I've seen 85F days in January. In the summertime, I've seen 123F, without taking humidity into account.


27+ C + humidity and I can't function properly anymore. All I can do is lie down and go wash myself after every 4 hours.
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Postby Jute » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:32 pm

Weren't there are few other smaller parties, too?
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