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by Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:24 pm
by Calimera II » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:25 pm

by Imyoji » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:26 pm
by Calimera II » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:28 pm
Imyoji wrote:The Reform party would be the best choice. Best wishes Estonia.

by Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:32 pm

by Imyoji » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:32 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Calimera II wrote:
Yup, or the Pro Patria and Res Publica Union.
If only they'd scrap their socially conservative and nationalistic stances. But, they're alright. They seem comparable to parties like the Polish Civic Platform and Spanish People's Party. Both of which are incredibly "meh."

by Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:35 pm

by Imyoji » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:37 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Imyoji wrote:They seem pretty lax/liberal-ish in comparison to other Christian Democratic (and equivalent) parties in that region of Europe, no?
Compared to the Christian democratic parties in the Baltics, yes. But, they're remarkably similar to Western European Christian Democratic parties. The only exception is that the Estonian Pro Patria Union is mildly nationalistic.

by Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:44 pm
Imyoji wrote:Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Compared to the Christian democratic parties in the Baltics, yes. But, they're remarkably similar to Western European Christian Democratic parties. The only exception is that the Estonian Pro Patria Union is mildly nationalistic.
Nothing wrong with that when you've got this big imposing neighbor that oppressed them for a pretty long damn time. Can't blame them.

by Imyoji » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:46 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Imyoji wrote:Nothing wrong with that when you've got this big imposing neighbor that oppressed them for a pretty long damn time. Can't blame them.
I suppose I never considered that. But, ethnic nationalism is still an abhorrent viewpoint. But, nothing is wrong with a little civic nationalism in Estonia's case, considering the fact that Russia is next door.

by The Liberated Territories » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:04 pm
Dejanic wrote:The Liberated Territories wrote:
If they are any similar to the FDP of Germany and VVD of the Netherlands, then most likely they'd be socially liberal, or at least socially moderate. It's the liberal tradition.
Reform seems like a Classical Liberal party to me, they're to the right of the "Conservative Liberal" VVD, but to the left of the American Libertarian party.

by The Liberated Territories » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:10 pm
Scepez wrote:I'm not old enough to vote, but I certainly can see that the Reform Party is not doing anything of use. Sure they might promise something, but they just end up changing absolutely nothing.

by Teemant » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:19 pm
Scepez wrote:Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
In all fairness, Estonia's minimum wage is higher than that of it's other Baltic neighbors. Obviously, it doesn't have a minimum wage akin to Western Europe, because it's not quite as developed. But, despite the fact that Estonia has a relatively low minimum wage, the wages are higher than in any of it's neighbors(well, except for Finland), and very few citizens live in poverty. Lastly, income inequality isn't a major problem in Estonia. All seems to be going well there, and as the economy continues to grow, as will a generous welfare state.
The economy is growing, but the money goes to the wrong hands. In my city, the government can't even give the school where I go to enough money to do some very necessary repairs. The Politicians are the ones with some of the biggest wages and that lead to some distrust in the public.

by Teemant » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:21 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Arkolon wrote:Google says it bites, but it's only an average 2-3 degrees celsius lower all year round than where I currently live..
You live in Luxembourg. You could easily adjust to a cloudy, cold climate, since you currently live in one. Maybe, just maybe, I'll consider moving to Estonia if global warming manages to make the temperature much warmer there.

by Imyoji » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:21 pm
Teemant wrote:Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
You live in Luxembourg. You could easily adjust to a cloudy, cold climate, since you currently live in one. Maybe, just maybe, I'll consider moving to Estonia if global warming manages to make the temperature much warmer there.
I mean Estonian summers can be over 30 C warm and winters up to -30 C. Strange things can happen.

by Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:24 pm
Teemant wrote:Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
You live in Luxembourg. You could easily adjust to a cloudy, cold climate, since you currently live in one. Maybe, just maybe, I'll consider moving to Estonia if global warming manages to make the temperature much warmer there.
I mean Estonian summers can be over 30 C warm and winters up to -30 C. Strange things can happen.

by Scepez » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:25 pm
Teemant wrote:Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
You live in Luxembourg. You could easily adjust to a cloudy, cold climate, since you currently live in one. Maybe, just maybe, I'll consider moving to Estonia if global warming manages to make the temperature much warmer there.
I mean Estonian summers can be over 30 C warm and winters up to -30 C. Strange things can happen.


by Imyoji » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:25 pm

by Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:26 pm

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by Atlanticatia » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:28 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Phoenix has a urban heat island. Plus, there is a lack of elevation here. Most winter nights fail to dip below 45F. And, in the daytime, it usually reaches 70F on a typical January day. I've seen 85F days in January. In the summertime, I've seen 123F, without taking humidity into account.

by Teemant » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:30 pm
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Phoenix has a urban heat island. Plus, there is a lack of elevation here. Most winter nights fail to dip below 45F. And, in the daytime, it usually reaches 70F on a typical January day. I've seen 85F days in January. In the summertime, I've seen 123F, without taking humidity into account.

by Jute » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:32 pm
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."
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