About Scientology... (no spam, no flames)

[Herskerstad]

The sea org is another funny subject.

The average pay according to wiki is among the lines of 24 dollars each week or more.

The terms of the contract lasts for a billion years.

52X24X1000000000 = 1248000000000 USD.

Who says there is not money to be earned on the ground level? Is it possible to ask for pay up front?

*Btw, congrats on getting successful help regarding quitting your habit. A worthy and good step towards a better life.*

[Lord-General Drache]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone here know what the cumulative costs of being audited to Clear level are?

I'm reasonably sure that the amount scales up per level, and it winds up costing 1-3 mil, but I could be wrong. It's been a few years since I've looked up that information.

[TheRightWay]

I was a heavy cocaine user for 20 years and Scientology saved my life.
You don't have to belief everything what you read in the media 'bout Scientology, most of it is untrue. About the things that are true, I can tell you that there are bad apples in every big organisation or club.
Are all the forum people here honest, cute and lovely? No, they are not. Some people are big liars!

Im glad you found something that helped you get over your addiction, sometimes organizations provide things we need just by being with people and being what they are

That fact does not prove the truth the organization is espousing in any way shape or form despite what people claim.

[New Manvir]

I know the Xenu story. Why haven't I died yet?

Cause Xenu is busy in a high-stakes poker game with Buddha, Yahweh, Mohammed and Vishnu.

[Ifreann]

I know the Xenu story. Why haven't I died yet?

Cause Xenu is busy in a high-stakes poker game with Buddha, Yahweh, Mohammed and Vishnu.

What? Vishnu told me they weren't playing until next week!

[The Archregimancy]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone here know what the cumulative costs of being audited to Clear level are?

I'm reasonably sure that the amount scales up per level, and it winds up costing 1-3 mil, but I could be wrong. It's been a few years since I've looked up that information.

It would make sense - from my limited knowledge - that the costs would increase with each level advance; sounds a bit like RPG experience points...

If it does take several million (US dollars?) to reach Clear, I wonder how much it then costs to reach the higher Operating Thetan levels, and to be initiated to Operating Thetan VIII - at sea (as required) - on the Freewinds?

[New Manvir]

From a purely theological perspective, one of the things I find curious about Scientology is that most modern belief systems can't wait to tell you the 'good news' about their revelation from the very beginning. It would be hard to imagine converts to Christianity, Islam, or Buddhism (taking just three examples) converting without knowing from the beginning that Jesus is the Son of God who died for our sins / Allah is the One True God and Mohammed [PBUH] is His Prophet / a negation of being and an end to suffering awaits those who achieve enlightenment; except for certain fringe groups, paying large sums of cash for the privilege of being told this is rarely a requirement.

Scientology, however, demands that you spend years in the organisation and spend vast sums of cash before you can achieve the inner rank of Operating Thetan and discover the 'revealed truths'. I find that .... odd.

Exactly, every other religion is up front about what they are all about, and WANT you to read their scripture and allow you to freely enter any mosque/church/temple etc.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone here know what the cumulative costs of being audited to Clear level are?

I posted that a bit earlier, but here it is again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientolog ... ness#Costs

To "Clear" the total cost is approximately $128,560
"Operating Thetan VIII", their highest level costs approximately $277,010

[New Manvir]

I know the Xenu story. Why haven't I died yet?

Cause Xenu is busy in a high-stakes poker game with Buddha, Yahweh, Mohammed and Vishnu.

What? Vishnu told me they weren't playing until next week!

He told Thor the same thing, man is he pissed.

[Lord-General Drache]

I posted that a bit earlier, but here it is again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientolog ... ness#Costs

To "Clear" the total cost is approximately $128,560
"Operating Thetan VIII", their highest level costs approximately $277,010

Whoa, I was way off. That's still a hell of alot of money for most people.

[West America]

Are all the forum people here honest, cute and lovely? No, they are not. Some people are big liars!

You put "No Spam, No Flames" in the topic title, then lead off with THAT?

As for scientology, I have never heard anything good about it, and it appears to be little more than an extraordinarily successful cult scam.

[TheRightWay]

I was a heavy cocaine user for 20 years and Scientology saved my life.
You don't have to belief everything what you read in the media 'bout Scientology, most of it is untrue. About the things that are true, I can tell you that there are bad apples in every big organisation or club.
Are all the forum people here honest, cute and lovely? No, they are not. Some people are big liars!

What would you like to do besides believe the media?

Your church actively strangles all communication about itself that it can through lawsuit and gag orders and threat of legal action. An organization that act like that deserves the bad rap they get from the public

[Angleter]

The problem with Scientology is that it is a blatant construct. Take the Xenu story: 'Galactic Confederacy' sounds like a very Earth-ish, Star Trek-ish name to me. Hydrogen bombs- very 'now', especially for someone in the 1960s. Indeed, the Confederacy 75 mya just happened to be at the same level of civilisation as humans in the 1960s! How fortunate!

Then the nukes and volcanoes- surely there'd be some residual radiation or geological record left today. And the vacuum zones- what the hell were they, how the hell did they work, and how the hell is there no record in the Earth of their existence? As for the following Thetan indoctrination- how come Roman Catholicism (which L. Ron. specifically claimed was invented by Xenu- horrible, cultish, secretive organisation, that ) took 75 million years to materialise?

And why on Earth did you have to pay £4,000 to know all this? It's like a Bible: If you want to find out what happened to Jesus, get MarkPlus for only £19:99+p&p! It could easily be mistaken for a Pastafarian-style parody of organised religion, did it not make accusations about anti-Scientologists' sex lives.

Anyway, you were not there!

[Rambhutan]

Wow, is this the return of Valentin 'Valentinasia' Selezynov? Do we finally get to hear the full theory of how the moon was used to seed life on earth?

[New Manvir]

I posted that a bit earlier, but here it is again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientolog ... ness#Costs

To "Clear" the total cost is approximately $128,560
"Operating Thetan VIII", their highest level costs approximately $277,010

Whoa, I was way off. That's still a hell of alot of money for most people.

Mortgage your house for "enlightenment"

[Conserative Morality]

Wow, is this the return of Valentin 'Valentinasia' Selezynov? Do we finally geto to hear the full theory of how the moon was used to seed life on earth?

Or how the Metric system was inspired by aliens?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Wow, is this the return of Valentin 'Valentinasia' Selezynov? Do we finally geto to hear the full theory of how the moon was used to seed life on earth?

The possibility of puppetry has been considered, but no, Valentasia isn't the prime suspect. Pity too. He was delightfully entertaining.

[Angleter]

Wow, is this the return of Valentin 'Valentinasia' Selezynov? Do we finally geto to hear the full theory of how the moon was used to seed life on earth?

Or how the Metric system was inspired by aliens?

The Metric Martyrs know not of their role in the greater struggle. The struggle... FOR THE UNIVERSE ITSELF!

[New Manvir]

The problem with Scientology is that it is a blatant construct. Take the Xenu story: 'Galactic Confederacy' sounds like a very Earth-ish, Star Trek-ish name to me. Hydrogen bombs- very 'now', especially for someone in the 1960s. Indeed, the Confederacy 75 mya just happened to be at the same level of civilisation as humans in the 1960s! How fortunate!

Then the nukes and volcanoes- surely there'd be some residual radiation or geological record left today. And the vacuum zones- what the hell were they, how the hell did they work, and how the hell is there no record in the Earth of their existence? As for the following Thetan indoctrination- how come Roman Catholicism (which L. Ron. specifically claimed was invented by Xenu- horrible, cultish, secretive organisation, that ) took 75 million years to materialise?

And why on Earth did you have to pay £4,000 to know all this? It's like a Bible: If you want to find out what happened to Jesus, get MarkPlus for only £19:99+p&p! It could easily be mistaken for a Pastafarian-style parody of organised religion, did it not make accusations about anti-Scientologists' sex lives.

Anyway, you were not there!

Next they'll try and make us believe that God had a son who grew up as a carpenter with a virgin mother and was eventually nailed to a piece of wood by some evil empire, but absolved us all of our sins in the process. How ridiculous!

[Norgenmorgenburg]

So... a "religious cult" that believes the world is the scum of the universe, and every "Thetan" was hydrogen bombed needs to be considered a viable religion? Uhm, sorry but no... I prefer not to believe the teachings of a man who did drugs and drank.

Listen to the religion... Perhaps you need to reconsider your outlook on it and look at it through a logical and more... gathered and collected mind. See it this way. What true "religion" wants to take peoples money? A religion isn't about the money you'll probably say. Religion is all about the money. If the said religion takes the persons money, they're going to be corrupt, they're going to be liars, especially at massive amounts of money. Of coarse, small donations are a part of religion, but at the extreme that scientology does it, its ridiculous.

I'm more of an open minded guy, but even that sounds crazy to me.

Onward with this, I also prefer to listen to something that doesn't have multiple levels of the "religion". That right there shows that people in the "lower" levels don't even know all of the religion. Also, saying it saved you doesn't mean its right. A few years ago I was entirely suicidal. I actually attempted a few times. I believe in holy intervention because it happened to me. It doesn't mean that what saved me was really a God or a Religion. Yeah, I believe that I was saved by God, but I was also saved by my own logical exploration into the situation.

Everything has to end with a logical outlook on the situation. A religion can't save you, only misguide or guide you. I don't want to seem like I'm bashing your beliefs because, as a man without a religion, I see why you'd be drawn to something. The unity and brotherhood that comes from it is always a great feeling. If it makes you happy, that's great, but it doesn't mean everyone needs to join it.

[Bottle]

I was a heavy cocaine user for 20 years and Scientology saved my life.
You don't have to belief everything what you read in the media 'bout Scientology, most of it is untrue. About the things that are true, I can tell you that there are bad apples in every big organisation or club.
Are all the forum people here honest, cute and lovely? No, they are not. Some people are big liars!

Out of curiosity, what is the topic of this thread?

[Venezia and Slovenia]

Wow, is this the return of Valentin 'Valentinasia' Selezynov? Do we finally get to hear the full theory of how the moon was used to seed life on earth?

Come off it, why would anyone who is the equal of Rachmaninoff post on a pathetic forum like this?

[Toradorable]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone here know what the cumulative costs of being audited to Clear level are?

I'm reasonably sure that the amount scales up per level, and it winds up costing 1-3 mil, but I could be wrong. It's been a few years since I've looked up that information.

It would make sense - from my limited knowledge - that the costs would increase with each level advance; sounds a bit like RPG experience points...

If it does take several million (US dollars?) to reach Clear, I wonder how much it then costs to reach the higher Operating Thetan levels, and to be initiated to Operating Thetan VIII - at sea (as required) - on the Freewinds?

How does one grind for Thetans?

In case you're wondering, my stance is that a "religion" that evolved out of a science fiction writer's failed self-help system and requires involuntary donations is probably even more unbelievable than the others.

[Conserative Morality]

Next they'll try and make us believe that God had a son who grew up as a carpenter with a virgin mother and was eventually nailed to a piece of wood by some evil empire, but absolved us all of our sins in the process. How ridiculous!

A carpenter getting nailed to wood...

Oh my God! They're coming for revenge! The trees, man, the trees!

[Conserative Morality]

Come off it, why would anyone who is the equal of Rachmaninoff post on a pathetic forum like this?

I think what you meant was 'A less charismatic Rasputin'

[New Manvir]

Next they'll try and make us believe that God had a son who grew up as a carpenter with a virgin mother and was eventually nailed to a piece of wood by some evil empire, but absolved us all of our sins in the process. How ridiculous!

A carpenter getting nailed to wood...

Oh my God! They're coming for revenge! The trees, man, the trees!

KILL IT WITH FIRE!!