NationStates' Transgender Thread

[Grenartia]

Just a question, but how do yall feel about clocking/transdar, particularly when it comes to figuring out somebody's trans, and then outing yourself to them? I mean, I honestly can see some merit to it, at least in terms of trying to build a support network, but I also see how/why its a bad thing (and self-defeating).

[Jute]

Is there actually some kind of a middle thing between cisgender and transgender?

[Toddlrsta]

Is there actually some kind of a middle thing between cisgender and transgender?

Are you happy with the gender identity society gave you at birth or not? Even gender fluidity is considered trans*

[Jute]

Is there actually some kind of a middle thing between cisgender and transgender?

Are you happy with the gender identity society gave you at birth or not? Even gender fluidity is considered trans*

I don't know anymore? Ugh... -_-
Really, I don't know how to find out either or if I should even bother thinking about it anymore

[Fabulous Rainicorns]

Is anyone doing anything for trans day of visibility today?

[Devvo Mate]

Is there actually some kind of a middle thing between cisgender and transgender?

Genderfluid

[Grenartia]

Is there actually some kind of a middle thing between cisgender and transgender?

I honestly can't conceive of something like that, so I'm guessing...no.

Is anyone doing anything for trans day of visibility today?

Other than sharing some stuff on FB and talking about it if it comes up while I'm at work, no.

[Jute]

Is there actually some kind of a middle thing between cisgender and transgender?

Genderfluid

Makes sense, I guess. Is that a subset or related to genderqueerness? I think I read that somewhere...

[Kelinfort]

I'm comfortable with my biological sex, but not really the roles surrounding masculinity. On top of that, I've never felt overtly masculine or feminine; I just prefer to do what I enjoy.

[Jute]

I'm comfortable with my biological sex, but not really the roles surrounding masculinity. On top of that, I've never felt overtly masculine or feminine; I just prefer to do what I enjoy.

Well, actually it's up to you to define what being male means, isn't it. Standing up for who you are is actually seen as particularly "manly" a lot of the time. Of course that's not saying that it's a mostly masculine trait, it's just how I remember reading how it's seen when men do that.

[Fabulous Rainicorns]

Is there actually some kind of a middle thing between cisgender and transgender?

I honestly can't conceive of something like that, so I'm guessing...no.

Is anyone doing anything for trans day of visibility today?

Other than sharing some stuff on FB and talking about it if it comes up while I'm at work, no.

I'm not really planning on doing much either. Maybe a drawing and talking to friends at lunch and GSA.

[Grenartia]

Genderfluid

Makes sense, I guess. Is that a subset or related to genderqueerness? I think I read that somewhere...

GF falls under the GQ umbrella, which falls under the Transgender umbrella.

[Grenartia]

I honestly can't conceive of something like that, so I'm guessing...no.



Other than sharing some stuff on FB and talking about it if it comes up while I'm at work, no.

I'm not really planning on doing much either. Maybe a drawing and talking to friends at lunch and GSA.

Yeah. So hard to figure out what to do without totally outing yourself.

[Fabulous Rainicorns]

I'm not really planning on doing much either. Maybe a drawing and talking to friends at lunch and GSA.

Yeah. So hard to figure out what to do without totally outing yourself.

Yeah, it is. That was my original plan, but it's not really a good time.

[Stormwind-City]

Being genderfluid is frustrating at times, like today.

[Prusslandia]

Being genderfluid is frustrating at times, like today.

Here, have a hug. This should lighten your mood a tad.

[Auremena]

Is anyone doing anything for trans day of visibility today?

Hiding away, lot letting anyone see me.

[Jute]

Makes sense, I guess. Is that a subset or related to genderqueerness? I think I read that somewhere...

GF falls under the GQ umbrella, which falls under the Transgender umbrella.

Huh, I thought Transgender exclusively referred to only strictly male-female or female-male transitions...

Being genderfluid is frustrating at times, like today.

What happened?

[Grenartia]

GF falls under the GQ umbrella, which falls under the Transgender umbrella.

Huh, I thought Transgender exclusively referred to only strictly male-female or female-male transitions...

Being genderfluid is frustrating at times, like today.

What happened?

Nah.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Given the existence of genderfluid people, would it be more or less accurate to call gender a state rather than...I dunno, some essentialist feature or quality?

[Jute]

Given the existence of genderfluid people, would it be more or less accurate to call gender a state rather than...I dunno, some essentialist feature or quality?

Unlike Sexuality?

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Given the existence of genderfluid people, would it be more or less accurate to call gender a state rather than...I dunno, some essentialist feature or quality?

Unlike Sexuality?

Could you please explain?

[Jute]

Unlike Sexuality?

Could you please explain?

Isn't that something you're born with?

[Nature-Spirits]

So, my mom referred to me as a girl today. It was a bit odd, since I'm not at the moment, but it felt good nonetheless. I think that maybe our having gone to the local Trans Monologues (FB link) a couple days ago was kind of eye-opening for her. (She even re-made a friend with a man who she used to know as a lesbian!) Whatever's made her come around, though, I'm glad for it.

Just a question, but how do yall feel about clocking/transdar, particularly when it comes to figuring out somebody's trans, and then outing yourself to them? I mean, I honestly can see some merit to it, at least in terms of trying to build a support network, but I also see how/why its a bad thing (and self-defeating).

I'm honestly not sure. It is nice to have a support network, a group of people (or even just one person) you can talk to who understands and can relate to your gender-related issues, but you'd want to make absolutely certain before you outed yourself to anyone.

Is there actually some kind of a middle thing between cisgender and transgender?

As everyone else said: no. Non-binary identities (including genderfluidity, which often involves identifying with your gender assigned at birth part of the time) are all considered to fall under the transgender umbrella. Though I suppose it's possible to identify as partly your assigned gender at birth, but not completely.

Is anyone doing anything for trans day of visibility today?

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.

Well, there are a couple events I could go to tonight, assuming I have the time and can be bothered to go. One is someone talking about gender in the Bible and how the Bible can be interpreted as being trans-affirming; the other is a trans romcom called Two4One wherein a trans guy and a cis girl, after a one-night stand, somehow both end up pregnant.

Also, the trans flag was raised today at the provincial legislative building, but I couldn't go because I was learning Math (joy). I heard from a trans friend of mine (who did go) that it wasn't that great, though, so I don't feel as bad now that I couldn't attend.

Being genderfluid is frustrating at times, like today.

I feel that. The inability to undergo any more permanent changes to your body can be a bitch. Recently I've also been kinda wanting a short haircut (I've been mostly male for a decent amount of time now, and while long hair can look great on men, I like short hair as well), but then I remember that I love my long hair too (for instance, playing with hair is fun), and my hair is often the only thing that makes random people "mistake" me for female (which does happen on occasion, and when it does it can make my day).

Is anyone doing anything for trans day of visibility today?

Hiding away, lot letting anyone see me.

GF falls under the GQ umbrella, which falls under the Transgender umbrella.

Huh, I thought Transgender exclusively referred to only strictly male-female or female-male transitions...

*gets a slightly crazed look in his eyes* That's what the Illubinary wants you to believe. *nods sagely*

Given the existence of genderfluid people, would it be more or less accurate to call gender a state rather than...I dunno, some essentialist feature or quality?

Yeah, I guess that makes sense. *shrug* To be honest, I don't give too much thought anymore to how or why people have gender identities, or what gender really is; in my opinion, it shouldn't matter. All that matters is how people identify.

Could you please explain?

Isn't that something you're born with?

Which one?

But to answer: again, I have no fucking clue (about either), and I stopped caring a while ago. Also, this article (The Gay Gene Won't Save Us) is relevant.

[Jute]

So, my mom referred to me as a girl today. It was a bit odd, since I'm not at the moment, but it felt good nonetheless. I think that maybe our having gone to the local Trans Monologues (FB link) a couple days ago was kind of eye-opening for her. (She even re-made a friend with a man who she used to know as a lesbian!) Whatever's made her come around, though, I'm glad for it.

Just a question, but how do yall feel about clocking/transdar, particularly when it comes to figuring out somebody's trans, and then outing yourself to them? I mean, I honestly can see some merit to it, at least in terms of trying to build a support network, but I also see how/why its a bad thing (and self-defeating).

I'm honestly not sure. It is nice to have a support network, a group of people (or even just one person) you can talk to who understands and can relate to your gender-related issues, but you'd want to make absolutely certain before you outed yourself to anyone.

Is there actually some kind of a middle thing between cisgender and transgender?

As everyone else said: no. Non-binary identities (including genderfluidity, which often involves identifying with your gender assigned at birth part of the time) are all considered to fall under the transgender umbrella. Though I suppose it's possible to identify as partly your assigned gender at birth, but not completely.

Is anyone doing anything for trans day of visibility today?

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.

Well, there are a couple events I could go to tonight, assuming I have the time and can be bothered to go. One is someone talking about gender in the Bible and how the Bible can be interpreted as being trans-affirming; the other is a trans romcom called Two4One wherein a trans guy and a cis girl, after a one-night stand, somehow both end up pregnant.

Also, the trans flag was raised today at the provincial legislative building, but I couldn't go because I was learning Math (joy). I heard from a trans friend of mine (who did go) that it wasn't that great, though, so I don't feel as bad now that I couldn't attend.

Being genderfluid is frustrating at times, like today.

I feel that. The inability to undergo any more permanent changes to your body can be a bitch. Recently I've also been kinda wanting a short haircut (I've been mostly male for a decent amount of time now, and while long hair can look great on men, I like short hair as well), but then I remember that I love my long hair too (for instance, playing with hair is fun), and my hair is often the only thing that makes random people "mistake" me for female (which does happen on occasion, and when it does it can make my day).

Hiding away, lot letting anyone see me.

Huh, I thought Transgender exclusively referred to only strictly male-female or female-male transitions...

*gets a slightly crazed look in his eyes* That's what the Illubinary wants you to believe. *nods sagely*

Given the existence of genderfluid people, would it be more or less accurate to call gender a state rather than...I dunno, some essentialist feature or quality?

Yeah, I guess that makes sense. *shrug* To be honest, I don't give too much thought anymore to how or why people have gender identities, or what gender really is; in my opinion, it shouldn't matter. All that matters is how people identify.

Isn't that something you're born with?

Which one?

But to answer: again, I have no fucking clue (about either), and I stopped caring a while ago. Also, this article (The Gay Gene Won't Save Us) is relevant.

Thanks everyone for answering. And interesting to hear that about the bible.
Also, it does for some reason make me happy when people mistake me for female, too, although I think for me it's more because I find it funny when that happens. Thanks for the link as well.