Mitt Romney announces potential 2016 presidential run

[Imperial Esplanade]

I apologize that my support for your right to live from your conception till your natural death, or anyone else's for that matter, is burdensome. I suppose it makes that burden a bit easier to deal with if you simply brush it as being "anti-social liberty" or whatever nonsense you're propagating.

liberty is for women too.

We're getting a bit off-topic, so last response in regards to this.

Yes, they do, and the slightest polls suggest that it's not a supposed "war on women" as the issue has been made out to be at times.

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/03/opini ... otype.html

The most supporters of the Pro-Life movement are actually women, as are the most supporters of the Pro-Choice movement.

[Ashmoria]

liberty is for women too.

We're getting a bit off-topic, so last response in regards to this.

Yes, they do, and the slightest polls suggest that it's not a supposed "war on women" as the issue has been made out to be at times.

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/03/opini ... otype.html

The most supporters of the Pro-Life movement are actually women, as are the most supporters of the Pro-Choice movement.

its best to leave it there. but its not like republican officials all around the country aren't anti MANY social liberty positions.

for example even though the majority of repubicans (I think, if not then it is very close to a majority) are OK with gay rights and gay marriage the vast majority of republican office holders are against gay marriage and are very leery of general gay rights. the vast majority are against legalizing marijuana. they are prone to talking about America as a Christian country and ranting about social degeneracy and how we need to bring back traditional family values.

[Imperial Esplanade]

That's literally just five cases. Women die from abortions too, you know, so... your point?

Anyway, that's hardly indicative of the Pro-Life movement, but rather indicative of the state of modern medicine and/or law enforcement. We don't have everything down pat, and people die every day from perfectly treatable, unavoidable, and preventable situations.

You asked why the "pro-life" label is a lie and I provided evidence that their policies kill. Reality is pesky like that, no?

Oh my, but you didn't prove anything. The report just gives five instances, but they're all so laughably generic and disconnected. None of these were as a result from "Pro-Life policies" since well, none actually exist in regards to abortion as you can get it on-demand if you're of legal age anywhere. The report also tries to pain the cases as connected, when they actually have NOTHING to do with each other. Is it unfortunate that these things happened? Yes, but there's more to the story than the couple of sentences provided regarding each. Anyway... this is way off-topic, so if you want to continue talking about it... message me.

[Steamtopia]

Renamed title: Mitt Romney announces third loss. Because maybe this time his binders full of women will save him.

[Ashmoria]

Renamed title: Mitt Romney announces third loss. Because maybe this time his binders full of women will save him.

I don't think even a footlocker full of women could save him this time.

[Steamtopia]

Renamed title: Mitt Romney announces third loss. Because maybe this time his binders full of women will save him.

I don't think even a footlocker full of women could save him this time.

What about a country full of women? Wait, no, he'd lose that too.

[Imperial Esplanade]

We're getting a bit off-topic, so last response in regards to this.

Yes, they do, and the slightest polls suggest that it's not a supposed "war on women" as the issue has been made out to be at times.

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/03/opini ... otype.html

The most supporters of the Pro-Life movement are actually women, as are the most supporters of the Pro-Choice movement.

its best to leave it there. but its not like republican officials all around the country aren't anti MANY social liberty positions.

for example even though the majority of repubicans (I think, if not then it is very close to a majority) are OK with gay rights and gay marriage the vast majority of republican office holders are against gay marriage and are very leery of general gay rights. the vast majority are against legalizing marijuana. they are prone to talking about America as a Christian country and ranting about social degeneracy and how we need to bring back traditional family values.

Agreed, so if you would like to continue discussing abortion, message me. Now, to try and reel this back into the topic at-hand, I think 2016 will be a big year in defining the GOP-brand moving forward. In 2012, the GOP nominated someone who appeared to be a moderate candidate, but it's safe to say his own shortcomings (mostly his flip-flopping nature) and ill-advised comments were what ended up with his defeat in the 2012 Presidential campaign.

Whether we like it or not, the United States IS, in fact, a Christian nation... but, it's a defacto Christian nation, not a dejure Christian nation. Many, but not all, conservative politicians speak of the United States being a "Christian nation" because they are Christians appealing to a overwhelmingly Christian audience... though there are numerous conservatives who are not Christian.

That said, the Republican Party has always been rooted as a party based off of Judeo-Christian ethics more so than the relatively more populist Democratic party, but the United States has systematically been deterred away from Christianity for several years now, and the Republican Party is (for whatever reason) seemingly synonymous with Christian beliefs within the United States. Of course this is simply not true, as Republicans (generally) are in favor of the death penalty and aren't nearly as concerned with the environment or the poor as they ought to be... all of which are central tenants to Christianity.

[Steamtopia]

its best to leave it there. but its not like republican officials all around the country aren't anti MANY social liberty positions.

for example even though the majority of repubicans (I think, if not then it is very close to a majority) are OK with gay rights and gay marriage the vast majority of republican office holders are against gay marriage and are very leery of general gay rights. the vast majority are against legalizing marijuana. they are prone to talking about America as a Christian country and ranting about social degeneracy and how we need to bring back traditional family values.

Agreed, so if you would like to continue discussing abortion, message me. Now, to try and reel this back into the topic at-hand, I think 2016 will be a big year in defining the GOP-brand moving forward. In 2012, the GOP nominated someone who appeared to be a moderate candidate, but it's safe to say his own shortcomings (mostly his flip-flopping nature) and ill-advised comments were what ended up with his defeat in the 2012 Presidential campaign.

Whether we like it or not, the United States IS, in fact, a Christian nation... but, it's a defacto Christian nation, not a dejure Christian nation. Many, but not all, conservative politicians speak of the United States being a "Christian nation" because they are Christians appealing to a overwhelmingly Christian audience... though there are numerous conservatives who are not Christian.

That said, the Republican Party has always been rooted as a party based off of Judeo-Christian ethics more so than the relatively more populist Democratic party, but the United States has systematically been deterred away from Christianity for several years now, and the Republican Party is (for whatever reason) seemingly synonymous with Christian beliefs within the United States. Of course this is simply not true, as Republicans (generally) are in favor of the death penalty and aren't nearly as concerned with the environment or the poor as they ought to be... all of which are central tenants to Christianity.

Define Christian nation.

[Genivaria]

Yes a buffoon who is anti-social liberties. Like just about every other republican candidate.

Republicans are Anti-social liberties?

That's about as accurate as all Democrats are communists.

With their rhetoric against the lgbt community and women, that's pretty damn accurate.

[Imperial Esplanade]

Agreed, so if you would like to continue discussing abortion, message me. Now, to try and reel this back into the topic at-hand, I think 2016 will be a big year in defining the GOP-brand moving forward. In 2012, the GOP nominated someone who appeared to be a moderate candidate, but it's safe to say his own shortcomings (mostly his flip-flopping nature) and ill-advised comments were what ended up with his defeat in the 2012 Presidential campaign.

Whether we like it or not, the United States IS, in fact, a Christian nation... but, it's a defacto Christian nation, not a dejure Christian nation. Many, but not all, conservative politicians speak of the United States being a "Christian nation" because they are Christians appealing to a overwhelmingly Christian audience... though there are numerous conservatives who are not Christian.

That said, the Republican Party has always been rooted as a party based off of Judeo-Christian ethics more so than the relatively more populist Democratic party, but the United States has systematically been deterred away from Christianity for several years now, and the Republican Party is (for whatever reason) seemingly synonymous with Christian beliefs within the United States. Of course this is simply not true, as Republicans (generally) are in favor of the death penalty and aren't nearly as concerned with the environment or the poor as they ought to be... all of which are central tenants to Christianity.

Define Christian nation.

I'm not exactly the Webster Dictionary, but I will say this...

The United States is a "defacto Christian nation" because it's a nation that is primarily made up of Christian believers, and these beliefs frequently influence some of our legislative pieces to some degree or another as the legislators are frequently Christians as well. However, the United States is not a "dejure Christian nation" because our Constitution prohibits our nation to align or associate itself with any given religion. The United States is a Constitutional Federal Republic, not a Theocracy by any stretch of the imagination... and that's a good thing.

[Imperial Esplanade]

Republicans are Anti-social liberties?

That's about as accurate as all Democrats are communists.

With their rhetoric against the lgbt community and women, that's pretty damn accurate.

You do realize that it's not a Republican tenant to oppose LGBT rights (or support traditional marriage, however you see it) but it's rather a predominant (but rapidly shrinking) population OF Republicans? Or that many Democrats have also been opposed to the LGBT community for quite some time too, right? Or that the President himself only VERY recently flip-flopped to suddenly being "Pro-LGBT rights," right? Or that there is no such thing as this fantastical "war on women by men" as the most pro-life of pro-lifers are (drum roll please...) women, right?

But yeah, I suppose that's pretty damn accurate if you say so.

[Steamtopia]

Define Christian nation.

I'm not exactly the Webster Dictionary, but I will say this...

The United States is a "defacto Christian nation" because it's a nation that is primarily made up of Christian believers, and these beliefs frequently influence some of our legislative pieces to some degree or another as the legislators are frequently Christians as well. However, the United States is not a "dejure Christian nation" because our Constitution prohibits our nation to align or associate itself with any given religion. The United States is a Constitutional Federal Republic, not a Theocracy by any stretch of the imagination... and that's a good thing.

So a country is a Christian nation simply if there's a majority of Christians?

[Genivaria]

With their rhetoric against the lgbt community and women, that's pretty damn accurate.

You do realize that it's not a Republican tenant to oppose LGBT rights (or support traditional marriage, however you see it) but it's rather a predominant (but rapidly shrinking) population OF Republicans? Or that many Democrats have also been opposed to the LGBT community for quite some time too, right? Or that the President himself only VERY recently flip-flopped to suddenly being "Pro-LGBT rights," right? Or that there is no such thing as this fantastical "war on women by men" as the most pro-life of pro-lifers are (drum roll please...) women, right?

But yeah, I suppose that's pretty damn accurate if you say so.

if you want to ignore the positions and rhetoric of your own party that's your prerogative.

[Imperial Esplanade]

I'm not exactly the Webster Dictionary, but I will say this...

The United States is a "defacto Christian nation" because it's a nation that is primarily made up of Christian believers, and these beliefs frequently influence some of our legislative pieces to some degree or another as the legislators are frequently Christians as well. However, the United States is not a "dejure Christian nation" because our Constitution prohibits our nation to align or associate itself with any given religion. The United States is a Constitutional Federal Republic, not a Theocracy by any stretch of the imagination... and that's a good thing.

So a country is a Christian nation simply if there's a majority of Christians?

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You didn't fare too well in reading comprehension, did you?

[Imperial Esplanade]

You do realize that it's not a Republican tenant to oppose LGBT rights (or support traditional marriage, however you see it) but it's rather a predominant (but rapidly shrinking) population OF Republicans? Or that many Democrats have also been opposed to the LGBT community for quite some time too, right? Or that the President himself only VERY recently flip-flopped to suddenly being "Pro-LGBT rights," right? Or that there is no such thing as this fantastical "war on women by men" as the most pro-life of pro-lifers are (drum roll please...) women, right?

But yeah, I suppose that's pretty damn accurate if you say so.

if you want to ignore the positions and rhetoric of your own party that's your prerogative.

Who says I'm a member of the Republican Party?

*Independent

[Steamtopia]

So a country is a Christian nation simply if there's a majority of Christians?

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You didn't fare too well in reading comprehension, did you?

That seems to be what you're suggesting. Unless 'primarily made up of Christian believers' is something I'm hallucinating.

[Imperial Esplanade]

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You didn't fare too well in reading comprehension, did you?

That seems to be what you're suggesting. Unless 'primarily made up of Christian believers' is something I'm hallucinating.

Do you understand the difference between "de jure" and "de facto?" If not, look it up. If so, re-read my previous statement. That'll answer your question.

[Steamtopia]

That seems to be what you're suggesting. Unless 'primarily made up of Christian believers' is something I'm hallucinating.

Do you understand the difference between "de jure" and "de facto?" If not, look it up. If so, re-read my previous statement. That'll answer your question.

I understand it. I'm still waiting for your answer.

[Sheltopolis]

Why is that the liberals see Romney as a suppressor of women's and gay rights and yet the conservatives criticize him for being a moderate, that he isn't "conservative enough"? Am I missing something? How can he simultaneously dissatisfy both parties?

[Steamtopia]

Why is that the liberals see Romney as a suppressor of women's and gay rights and yet the conservatives criticize him for being a moderate, that he isn't "conservative enough"? Am I missing something? How can he simultaneously dissatisfy both parties?

It's simple. The Republicans are so far out, they aren't remotely connected to reality.

[Imperial Esplanade]

Do you understand the difference between "de jure" and "de facto?" If not, look it up. If so, re-read my previous statement. That'll answer your question.

I understand it. I'm still waiting for your answer.

And I already answered it , go back and read what I had said.

[Imperial Esplanade]

Why is that the liberals see Romney as a suppressor of women's and gay rights and yet the conservatives criticize him for being a moderate, that he isn't "conservative enough"? Am I missing something? How can he simultaneously dissatisfy both parties?

First off, "Liberals" and "Conservatives" aren't political parties. Republicans and Democrats are.

Secondly, those aren't really the reasons Mitt Romney is facing any substantial criticism.

[Sheltopolis]

Why is that the liberals see Romney as a suppressor of women's and gay rights and yet the conservatives criticize him for being a moderate, that he isn't "conservative enough"? Am I missing something? How can he simultaneously dissatisfy both parties?

It's simple. The Republicans are so far out, they aren't remotely connected to reality.

I am talking about your average conservative base. Romney is anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, pro-DP, anti-union, anti-global warming, against Obama's economic policies on just about every level, and a Christian. So why do the conservatives, who are all these qualities, have such a beef with him?

[Geilinor]

liberty is for women too.

We're getting a bit off-topic, so last response in regards to this.

Yes, they do, and the slightest polls suggest that it's not a supposed "war on women" as the issue has been made out to be at times.

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/03/opini ... otype.html

The most supporters of the Pro-Life movement are actually women, as are the most supporters of the Pro-Choice movement.

That's because women are most affected by the debate.

[Geilinor]

That seems to be what you're suggesting. Unless 'primarily made up of Christian believers' is something I'm hallucinating.

Do you understand the difference between "de jure" and "de facto?" If not, look it up. If so, re-read my previous statement. That'll answer your question.

Christianity is not de facto the national religion. Americans come in a variety of beliefs.