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Postby Karsol » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:12 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8458271.stm
The BBC must undergo a radical overhaul and Channel 4 should be privatised, a think tank has said in a report on the future of UK broadcasting.

The centre-right Policy Exchange said the BBC should cut the amount it spends on sports rights, popular entertainment and shows for 16 to 35-year-olds.

It also urges the government to drop its controversial "broadband tax".

The BBC Trust said any proposed changes must not put the public value of the BBC or its independence at risk.

The report by the free-market think tank said public service broadcasting was under strain and needed radical reform if it was to survive in the digital age.

It said the BBC should put quality before ratings and leave sport and popular entertainment to commercial channels.

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It highlighted the reported £6m a year salary of Jonathan Ross, who announced he was quitting the BBC last week.

"The problem was not so much what the BBC paid, but what the BBC was doing in the bidding ring in the first place," the report said.

It recommended licence fee money should be spent on Channel 4 or E4, rather than BBC3, in order to reach 16 to 35-year-olds.

And it called for BBC Worldwide, which is the corporation's commercial arm, to be privatised and the BBC Trust to be scrapped.

Policy Exchange said a Public Service Content (PSC) Trust should be set up to promote public service broadcasting across all TV, radio and broadband.

The current UK broadcasting system was set up in the 1950s and now struggles to keep up with the extraordinary changes of the digital age
Mark Oliver, author of Changing the Channel

It would lead the way in tasks such as monitoring the delivery of BBC services and reviewing the effectiveness of the BBC's co-funding obligations.

The report also said government plans for a "broadband tax" to fund super-fast broadband should be scrapped and funded from general taxation, if it is shown to be necessary.

Meanwhile, Channel 4 should be privatised in 2012 but retain a public service broadcasting licence for at least 10 years.

The report said it should receive extra digital capacity, reallocated from ITV and perhaps the BBC.

Channel 4 should also be granted cross promotional and linked access to BBC new media services such as www.bbc.co.uk and the iPlayer.

The BBC Trust said any proposed change must not put the public value of the BBC or its independence against inappropriate political or commercial influence at risk.

Mark Oliver, the author of the report called Changing the Channel, was previously the BBC's head of strategy and has advised the government.

He said: "The current UK broadcasting system was set up in the 1950s and now struggles to keep up with the extraordinary changes of the digital age.

"It is clear that the 20th Century analogue institutions that were created are now worryingly out of date.

"We need a dramatic rethink if we are to continue to deliver public service broadcasting in an entirely new age."



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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:15 am

A pity. I find BBC to be an unparalleled station as far as quality goes. PBS of the U.S. is pretty good, too.
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Postby Callisdrun » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:17 am

That would blow. Why should BBC be privatized? It's fine the way it is, widely respected as a fine example of good reporting.
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Postby Nadkor » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:37 am

An independent think tank recommends that Channel 4 (i.e. not the BBC) be privatised and that the BBC sell its commercial wing, and that amounts to the BBC being threatened with privatisation?

That's like saying that if I got a group of ten friends together and we agreed that Channel 4 should be privatised the BBC was being threatened.
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Postby Nadkor » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:42 am

Callisdrun wrote:That would blow. Why should BBC be privatized? It's fine the way it is, widely respected as a fine example of good reporting.


You know the BBC doesn't just do news, right? It has eight TV (not including numerous local variants) and countless radio stations, most of which have very little to do with the news section.
Anyway, the biggest threat to quality journalism this report presents would be the privatisation of Channel 4. Their news at 7pm is by far the best on any given day, and Dispatches is a quality show.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:42 am

Karsol wrote:The BBC, the world benchmark of unbiased (or little in the way of bias) reporting, and it would be compromised by business to be biased toward commercialism and public opinion./oppinion


Holy shit... this sounds so berlusconesque. Britons should rally and defend the Beeb! It's one of their national treasures, at least on par with the Crown Jewels!
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Postby Karsol » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:42 am

Nadkor wrote:An independent think tank recommends that Channel 4 (i.e. not the BBC) be privatised and that the BBC sell its commercial wing, and that amounts to the BBC being threatened with privatisation?

That's like saying that if I got a group of ten friends together and we agreed that Channel 4 should be privatised the BBC was being threatened.

Lack of funding from the commercial wing could potentially ruin some of my programs. :(
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Postby Callisdrun » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:46 am

Nadkor wrote:
Callisdrun wrote:That would blow. Why should BBC be privatized? It's fine the way it is, widely respected as a fine example of good reporting.


You know the BBC doesn't just do news, right? It has eight TV (not including numerous local variants) and countless radio stations, most of which have very little to do with the news section.
Anyway, the biggest threat to quality journalism this report presents would be the privatisation of Channel 4. Their news at 7pm is by far the best on any given day, and Dispatches is a quality show.

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Postby Abdju » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:56 am

Why privatise C4? It has some highly respectable programming. It's news and affairs coverage is amongst the best of advertising supported channels, and in some ways surpasses that of BBC News, which has been compromised not by faults of the BBC, but by government pressure since the Hutton Inquiry.

As for the BBC, plundering it of everything that generates revenue to sell off to your friends privatising BBC World to increase operational efficiency, would only exacerbate problems at the BBC by depriving it of revenue streams, making it more rather than less dependent on licence fee revenue, which is the opposite of stated government policy - unless, of course one, smells a rat, and the idea is to force the BBC into crisis so as to be able to present full scale privatisation as the "cure".

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Postby Nadkor » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:59 am

Abdju wrote:Why privatise C4? It has some highly respectable programming. It's news and affairs coverage is amongst the best of advertising supported channels, and in some ways surpasses that of BBC News, which has been compromised not by faults of the BBC, but by government pressure since the Hutton Inquiry.

As for the BBC, plundering it of everything that generates revenue to sell off to your friends privatising BBC World to increase operational efficiency, would only exacerbate problems at the BBC by depriving it of revenue streams, making it more rather than less dependent on licence fee revenue, which is the opposite of stated government policy - unless, of course one, smells a rat, and the idea is to force the BBC into crisis so as to be able to present full scale privatisation as the "cure".

Well, bearing in mind where the proposals have come from, this can really be the only conclusion.
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Postby Abdju » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:00 am

Karsol wrote:
Nadkor wrote:An independent think tank recommends that Channel 4 (i.e. not the BBC) be privatised and that the BBC sell its commercial wing, and that amounts to the BBC being threatened with privatisation?

That's like saying that if I got a group of ten friends together and we agreed that Channel 4 should be privatised the BBC was being threatened.

Lack of funding from the commercial wing could potentially ruin some of my programs. :(


Don't be silly, privatisation makes things better :p

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Postby Karsol » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:08 am

Abdju wrote:
Karsol wrote:
Nadkor wrote:An independent think tank recommends that Channel 4 (i.e. not the BBC) be privatised and that the BBC sell its commercial wing, and that amounts to the BBC being threatened with privatisation?

That's like saying that if I got a group of ten friends together and we agreed that Channel 4 should be privatised the BBC was being threatened.

Lack of funding from the commercial wing could potentially ruin some of my programs. :(


Don't be silly, privatisation makes things better :p

Say that to things like News.corp or British Rail
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Postby Risottia » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:09 am

Karsol wrote:
Abdju wrote:
Karsol wrote:
Nadkor wrote:An independent think tank recommends that Channel 4 (i.e. not the BBC) be privatised and that the BBC sell its commercial wing, and that amounts to the BBC being threatened with privatisation?

That's like saying that if I got a group of ten friends together and we agreed that Channel 4 should be privatised the BBC was being threatened.

Lack of funding from the commercial wing could potentially ruin some of my programs. :(


Don't be silly, privatisation makes things better :p

Say that to things like News.corp or British Rail


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Postby Natalyas » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:11 am

The BBC News section is a powerful propaganda tool that the UK government would be foolish to surrender it has a reputation for fairness (even when it isn't) and is well regarded world wide.

As far as the entertainment section is concerned, there are two primary considerations. Did the BBC buy it or did it produce it? The BBC should not be using purchased content such as American sitcoms etc ( I don't know if they do this) . By doing this they effectively engage in unfair competition with other broadcasters. I also don't believe that they should be profiting from advertising in the same way that private broadcasters do.

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Postby Abdju » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:22 am

Karsol wrote:
Abdju wrote:
Karsol wrote:
Nadkor wrote:An independent think tank recommends that Channel 4 (i.e. not the BBC) be privatised and that the BBC sell its commercial wing, and that amounts to the BBC being threatened with privatisation?

That's like saying that if I got a group of ten friends together and we agreed that Channel 4 should be privatised the BBC was being threatened.

Lack of funding from the commercial wing could potentially ruin some of my programs. :(


Don't be silly, privatisation makes things better :p

Say that to things like News.corp or British Rail


Britain has far better railways than either Burma or Sudan! And Sky News and The Sun is far more informative on issues of political substance than either KCNA or Myanmar News Agency!

And don't forget, kids, privatisation is good for corrupt sell offs a knock down prices generating investment in better services!

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Postby Tagmatium » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:52 am

Does anyone really listen to these think-tanks, anyway?

I suppose this one probably has more mileage in it, especially since we're going to be under a Tory government after the next General.
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:38 am

I'm not letting corporations like News Corp et al touch any bit of the BBC, or Channel 4. It seems the BBC is the first place for nearly everything that's internet.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:18 am

These 'think tanks' are laughably misnamed.

"So, guys, we've got this organization internationally admired for the quality of it's media output, and which produces more decent TV than the rest of the major British channels combined. What should we do with it"

"Well, I think we should keep it as it is....aaargh...I mean, privatize, PRIVATIZE. All hail Friedrich von Hayek!"

"What do you mean? Compare it to the sewage that ITV pumps out and it's quite clear that....aaargh...market freedom! It won't reduce the quality of programming at all".

"Well that just sounds like a load of ideological bull....aaargh...."

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Postby Karsol » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:20 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:These 'think tanks' are laughably misnamed.

"So, guys, we've got this organization internationally admired for the quality of it's media output, and which produces more decent TV than the rest of the major British channels combined. What should we do with it"

"Well, I think we should keep it as it is....aaargh...I mean, privatize, PRIVATIZE. All hail Friedrich von Hayek!"

"What do you mean? Compare it to the sewage that ITV pumps out and it's quite clear that....aaargh...market freedom! It won't reduce the quality of programming at all".

"Well that just sounds like a load of ideological bull....aaargh...."

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And to think I saw this topic and thought the author meant flushing it down a toilet.

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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:27 am

:-O what will they privitise next ? The NHS
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Postby My 3rd Floor Flat » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:31 am

It will never happen.

The former Conservative government was seriously considering it back then and it never gained support or momentum. The BBC will undergo a structural, organisational and monitoring evaluation regardless of Britains political future. Us Brits may love the Beeb but we know when something becomes overly exorbant.

I have no worries about this, the BBC will continue to be a hallmark for television everywhere with the advert corporate free public funded programmes that allow it to branch out. We owe legendary television things like Monty Python to the BBC's Nationalised nature, can you imagine a corporation goign for somethign that only appeals to a minority sector of the populace?
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Postby Abdju » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:37 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:The invisible hand of the market. Crushing the balls of anyone in a right-wing think tank who tries to use common sense.


The invisible hand is an angry, wraithful hand! We must make offers of deregulation and privatisation to spare us his far-right(eous) wrath :bow: :bow: :bow:

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Postby Karsol » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:38 am

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:And to think I saw this topic and thought the author meant flushing it down a toilet.

Isn't that what improvisation is about :p
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Postby Eradium » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:44 am

I just wished the Beeb did a broad-sheet news paper, I'm getting really sick of the ToryTelegraph, half of the thing is just peoples opinions now and generally along the lines of 'Grrrr, I hate modern stuff, blarghhh!' with the very occasional piece offering a different view-point.
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