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Postby Kantona » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:25 pm

Lytenburgh wrote:The situation with “anti-Islamic” cartoons is nothing new – there were murdered people after that story about the Danish humorists nearly a decade ago. So this, well, “execution” of the “guilty” cartoonists and everyone else who just happened to be nearby, is Islamists way of directly bringing war to “Enemy’s” homeland. Previously, all these disparate Islamist groups were just that - disparate, but now they have their own state which became a "Beacon” of Islamic radicalism. And here we have a situation of the French cartoonists in the country of maximum tolerance to intolerantly portray them and the Prophet. Obviously, Islamists won’t tolerate this.

This situation is kinda schizophrenic in the fact, that France has fallen victim to an inherent contradiction - on the one hand. the government preaches maximum tolerance in everything - from the race and thought to gender identity and sexual preferences. On the other hand - the freedom of speech gives an opportunity for intolerant statements, which by virtue of tolerant censorship, are considered to be humor, jokes and the like. As a result, Western Europe which prides itself for its tolerance, in fact, produces all new reasons to incite ethnic and religious hatred, including on its own territory, which, as the direct result of the policy of multiculturalism, populates an abundant number of persons professing Islam, including its radical forms. Which is kinda a reverse side of multiculturalism and tolerance. In fact, they themselves have created this purulent wound, with which they do not know what to do, yet continuously poke it with a rusty nail, watching the occasionally pus spurting out in all directions.

Regarding the terrorists (allegedly, from Yemen) who have killed so many "crusader satirists" directly on the French territory, it’s worth reminding that during the period of Arab Spring in Yemen (where it overthrew the local autocrat), the Western press, including French, happily depict the triumphant march of the “Freedom and Democracy in the Middle East”. Well, here the children of this very "Arab Spring" decided to stop and visit local “benefactors” and “humorists” who drew cartoons about them. A meeting of authors with readers, so to speak. The locals were clearly not happy with the outcome, “guest” - on the contrary.

The situation is such, that for the proponents of radical Islam fighting for their only True State (with promises of Paradise and houris), even any innocent attempt to make fun of the Prophet would be seen as an act of war committed by the infidels. Europe, sorta, reacts to this, but, due to the Holy Principle of Freedom of Speech, at the same time, continues to preach about Multiculturalism and Tolerance while also organizing, together with the US, aggression and bombings against the Islamic world. Therefore, it’s hardly surprising that ISIS (or whatever) decided that there would be no other reaction but violence. Attempts to insist on the Holy Right of journalists to throw feces with impunity at everything Islamic fundamentalists consider Holy and Sacred – while simultaneously printing stories about “respect for Islam”, won’t lead to anything but new dead, blood and hatred, and the more Caliphate will develop, the more direct will be its impact not only to the surrounding Middle Eastern autocracies, but also on the "crusaders" country's. France should decide and do something, because the right of freedom of expression directly provokes ethnic and religious hatred. It doesn’t really matter whether some likes or dislikes the very notion of it, but the fact remains that we have already seen more than once that some "witty jokes" might be followed by corpses if witty cartoonists or bearded fanatics, or very random (and totally innocent) people.

By the way, in comparison - in a recent attack of militants on Grozny, there were more numerous and they were armed way too better. Nevertheless, almost all were caught and/or eliminated. Here terrorists have disappeared into an unknown direction while taking car and its driver hostage, leaving a trail of blood in their wake.

Irrespective of whether they would catch these terrorists or not, the result is quite obvious - the position of the right (like Le Pen and even Sarkozy) would be strengthened, as well as nationalist sentiments – as well as increase of the radicalism of local adherents of Islam. If Caliphate and related organizations will become stronger and survive the air-strikes a and bombings rather intact, then they will continue to send their “Holy Warriors” into Western Europe, with the aim to spread here the word of the Prophet with such methods like explosives or 7.62 bullets right in the head. Some of “humorists” after this story, will, obviously be more thoughtful and activate self-censorship (there are lot of things to make fun of amidst the “acceptable targets”, after all), someone, on the contrary, will decide in principle to continue batter humorously Muhammed, which will occasionally result in not humorous consequences. There wouldn’t be any reasonable measures that would fundamentally change something, so there will be bombs, and explosions, and the dead, and humor. After all, the theme of Islamic fanatics, according to some cartoonists, very funny.

P.S.

An “innocent victim of Putin’s regime” (tm), that after his official pardon receives more and more Western funding for “developing of democracy in Russia”, M. Khodorkovsky said his Word:

Khodorkovsky urged the media to publish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad

Former Yukos CEO Mikhail Khodorkovsky in his Twitter called on the media to publish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed.

At the same time, Khodorkovsky expressed condolences to the families of journalists killed in the terrorist attack in Paris.


Strangely enough, Mr. Khodorkovsky didn’t suggest (in the same spirit of Tolerance and Freedom of Press) to publish cartoons of Holocaust or the Jews.

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Postby Olerand » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:26 pm

Ontorisa wrote:
Olerand wrote:Why is that? The Paris police department has spearheaded such a program, taking ex-jihadis and radical, but non-violent, Salafists across the country to talk to these youths, who suffer from discrimination and French-undue-hatred like you wouldn't believe, across the country for about a year now.

Reportedly, we have seen a decrease of 0% of French passport holders going to the IS in the past year.

I am confident that with time, we can break that record for another 0% success rate.


What's the current rate anyways?

I think in Canada it's like less than 1% or something. We're dealing with mostly home grown terrorists. Mostly.

Of what, Muslims so far, yearly, or monthly?

So far, 1,000, and not decreasing. Yearly, 300 in 2014. Monthly, no data is kept, or at least I haven't read of any such data.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:26 pm

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And where does all of Europe deport these Arabs?


Presumably send them back to where they came from.

And if they came from France?
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Postby The Conez Imperium » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:26 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
Ontorisa wrote:
What's the current rate anyways?

I think in Canada it's like less than 1% or something. We're dealing with mostly home grown terrorists. Mostly.

Canada is too much remote to plan an attack and it wouldn't have any "benefits" to the attacker's "cause"


Any news ISIS gets is successful. After the Sydney Lindt Cafe siege, ISIS media was in overdrive praising the success of his actions, even though he was fighting for ISIS.
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Postby Ontorisa » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:26 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
Ontorisa wrote:
What's the current rate anyways?

I think in Canada it's like less than 1% or something. We're dealing with mostly home grown terrorists. Mostly.

Canada is too much remote to plan an attack and it wouldn't have any "benefits" to the attacker's "cause"


Are you kidding me? Piss off

We've lost enough lives already

Try something called "google" to understand these situations instead of the view that you have currently stuck with for so long.

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Postby Planita » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:26 pm

Burleson 2 wrote:
Aethrys wrote:Breaking news: this week a link between religion islam and horrific brutality, barbarism, and crimes against humanity has once again been discovered. It is expected that this link will be forgotten about shortly dismissed as a rare act of extremism, just as it has on on all other occasions.

Fixed that for you.

It could be arguable that ALL religions instigate violence

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Postby Ontorisa » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:27 pm

Olerand wrote:
Ontorisa wrote:
What's the current rate anyways?

I think in Canada it's like less than 1% or something. We're dealing with mostly home grown terrorists. Mostly.

Of what, Muslims so far, yearly, or monthly?

So far, 1,000, and not decreasing. Yearly, 300 in 2014. Monthly, no data is kept, or at least I haven't read of any such data.


Yearly.

That's actually a really bad number tbh.

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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:28 pm

Planita wrote:
Burleson 2 wrote:Fixed that for you.

It could be arguable that ALL religions instigate violence

Except Dudeists. :p

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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:29 pm

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Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
But nooooooo, they want to turn France to Saudi Arabia. We saw what happened in Sweden and France, the native majority became a slave to the Muslim immigrant minority. Ban burqa and niqab and we will see the true face of them.


Source. That. Shit. Or. Stop. Using. That. Argument.

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Postby Nerotysia » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:29 pm

Burleson 2 wrote:
Aethrys wrote:Breaking news: this week a link between religion islam and horrific brutality, barbarism, and crimes against humanity has once again been discovered. It is expected that this link will be forgotten about shortly dismissed as a rare act of extremism, just as it has on on all other occasions.

Fixed that for you.

What differentiates Islam from all other religions? These sorts of barbaric attacks have been perpetrated by extremists of all religions for centuries.

Also, these aren't rare. Not as rare as they should be, anyways.

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Postby Olerand » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:30 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Olerand wrote:Why is that? The Paris police department has spearheaded such a program, taking ex-jihadis and radical, but non-violent, Salafists across the country to talk to these youths, who suffer from discrimination and French-undue-hatred like you wouldn't believe, across the country for about a year now.

Reportedly, we have seen a decrease of 0% of French passport holders going to the IS in the past year.

I am confident that with time, we can break that record for another 0% success rate.

"We've tried it for a whole year and it hasn't worked! It must not work at all!"

Hence the underlined. Denmark has been doing for almost 2! Hasn't worked there either, Denmark having the second largest amount of Jihadists in ISIS, after France, too. But that's because Denmark is a discriminatory society and culture, who treats these people very unfairly. Why, I think the welfare money they're receiving in the Mid-East is sometimes late! Would you believe it?

I'm sure that by the fifth, sixth, or tenth year, we will see a >0% progression.
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Postby Cyrisnia » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:30 pm

Kantona wrote:
Lytenburgh wrote:The situation with “anti-Islamic” cartoons is nothing new – there were murdered people after that story about the Danish humorists nearly a decade ago. So this, well, “execution” of the “guilty” cartoonists and everyone else who just happened to be nearby, is Islamists way of directly bringing war to “Enemy’s” homeland. Previously, all these disparate Islamist groups were just that - disparate, but now they have their own state which became a "Beacon” of Islamic radicalism. And here we have a situation of the French cartoonists in the country of maximum tolerance to intolerantly portray them and the Prophet. Obviously, Islamists won’t tolerate this.

This situation is kinda schizophrenic in the fact, that France has fallen victim to an inherent contradiction - on the one hand. the government preaches maximum tolerance in everything - from the race and thought to gender identity and sexual preferences. On the other hand - the freedom of speech gives an opportunity for intolerant statements, which by virtue of tolerant censorship, are considered to be humor, jokes and the like. As a result, Western Europe which prides itself for its tolerance, in fact, produces all new reasons to incite ethnic and religious hatred, including on its own territory, which, as the direct result of the policy of multiculturalism, populates an abundant number of persons professing Islam, including its radical forms. Which is kinda a reverse side of multiculturalism and tolerance. In fact, they themselves have created this purulent wound, with which they do not know what to do, yet continuously poke it with a rusty nail, watching the occasionally pus spurting out in all directions.

Regarding the terrorists (allegedly, from Yemen) who have killed so many "crusader satirists" directly on the French territory, it’s worth reminding that during the period of Arab Spring in Yemen (where it overthrew the local autocrat), the Western press, including French, happily depict the triumphant march of the “Freedom and Democracy in the Middle East”. Well, here the children of this very "Arab Spring" decided to stop and visit local “benefactors” and “humorists” who drew cartoons about them. A meeting of authors with readers, so to speak. The locals were clearly not happy with the outcome, “guest” - on the contrary.

The situation is such, that for the proponents of radical Islam fighting for their only True State (with promises of Paradise and houris), even any innocent attempt to make fun of the Prophet would be seen as an act of war committed by the infidels. Europe, sorta, reacts to this, but, due to the Holy Principle of Freedom of Speech, at the same time, continues to preach about Multiculturalism and Tolerance while also organizing, together with the US, aggression and bombings against the Islamic world. Therefore, it’s hardly surprising that ISIS (or whatever) decided that there would be no other reaction but violence. Attempts to insist on the Holy Right of journalists to throw feces with impunity at everything Islamic fundamentalists consider Holy and Sacred – while simultaneously printing stories about “respect for Islam”, won’t lead to anything but new dead, blood and hatred, and the more Caliphate will develop, the more direct will be its impact not only to the surrounding Middle Eastern autocracies, but also on the "crusaders" country's. France should decide and do something, because the right of freedom of expression directly provokes ethnic and religious hatred. It doesn’t really matter whether some likes or dislikes the very notion of it, but the fact remains that we have already seen more than once that some "witty jokes" might be followed by corpses if witty cartoonists or bearded fanatics, or very random (and totally innocent) people.

By the way, in comparison - in a recent attack of militants on Grozny, there were more numerous and they were armed way too better. Nevertheless, almost all were caught and/or eliminated. Here terrorists have disappeared into an unknown direction while taking car and its driver hostage, leaving a trail of blood in their wake.

Irrespective of whether they would catch these terrorists or not, the result is quite obvious - the position of the right (like Le Pen and even Sarkozy) would be strengthened, as well as nationalist sentiments – as well as increase of the radicalism of local adherents of Islam. If Caliphate and related organizations will become stronger and survive the air-strikes a and bombings rather intact, then they will continue to send their “Holy Warriors” into Western Europe, with the aim to spread here the word of the Prophet with such methods like explosives or 7.62 bullets right in the head. Some of “humorists” after this story, will, obviously be more thoughtful and activate self-censorship (there are lot of things to make fun of amidst the “acceptable targets”, after all), someone, on the contrary, will decide in principle to continue batter humorously Muhammed, which will occasionally result in not humorous consequences. There wouldn’t be any reasonable measures that would fundamentally change something, so there will be bombs, and explosions, and the dead, and humor. After all, the theme of Islamic fanatics, according to some cartoonists, very funny.

P.S.

An “innocent victim of Putin’s regime” (tm), that after his official pardon receives more and more Western funding for “developing of democracy in Russia”, M. Khodorkovsky said his Word:

Khodorkovsky urged the media to publish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad



Strangely enough, Mr. Khodorkovsky didn’t suggest (in the same spirit of Tolerance and Freedom of Press) to publish cartoons of Holocaust or the Jews.

Russia would must liberate Europe one day again.

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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:30 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
Ontorisa wrote:
Source. That. Shit. Or. Stop. Using. That. Argument.

Thank you.

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Not long ago, they banned burqa. Can you imagine wearing a burqa is middle of Europe, in the 21st fucking Century?

Yes, I can. And while I personally wouldn't do it, banning it is absolutely ridiculous. I love France, but they have some pretty fucked-up laws when it comes to different cultures.

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Postby Kaitjan » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:31 pm

And people wonder how "those damn dirty neonazis" are gaining power in Europe. But of course, it is the fault of the Europeans. It is they who are not tolerant enough. It is they that cause extremism in immigrant groups!

FUCK!

I am fucking angry right now, if you haven't guessed. Why? It is not only because of this horrible incident (my hear goes out to those hurt by this act of terror), but also because this will continue. There will be a civil war in much of Europe, sooner or later. Because I mean seriously, this situation will not hold. Sure, you could come with the fucking argument that no all immigrants are muslims and not all muslims are extremists and ebil and yadayada. Sure. I give you that. But that does not matter in the end.

Because all it takes is a small group. Because acts like this will become more common. We already have our own sources of jihadist terror, homegrown in the cities of Europe. And with the ensuing social collapse, brought on by a unsustainable rate of immigration, failed social policies and general shit, we will get war. Maybe at low intensity at first, but it will blossom. It will spread. Radicalist, and I mean REAL FUCKING RADICALIST ultranationalist groups will grow stronger as well, with more and more people flocking to them. And then we have war. Rightists targeting the immigrants, immigrants - be they muslims or whatever - will target Europeans. And this will be a horrible civil war. Because there will be no front, there will be no borders between the warring factions. It will be terroristic acts, it will be gang warfare, it will be cities that descened into riots and killing. It will be ethnic purges. It will be religious killings. My only question is if the leftist (no, I should't blame the leftists and liberals, they are not the only ones responsible for this), but all the ASSHOLES, all the MADMEN who think that the politics in Europe are a good idea, will realize what they have done. Will they understand that they made Europe a warzone? Or will they to their last breath defend their Utopia of Multiculturalism, Love, Tolerance and Understanding. When acts like the one in Paris become common, will they still squeak in the defence of their shit? I mean, I don't know the tone of media and politicians in Europe, but I know it in Sweden. And they are the worst of the fucking worst. Squeaking, not about this being a situation of radical islam, but worrying over "if this will fuel islamophobia" in Europe.

Fuck them all. Twenty years. Maybe thirty. Probably less. And then shit's going down for real.

I can't put words on her tragic this is. On how sad and angry this makes me.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:31 pm

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Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:According to the convention of Geneva on this issue, you are wrong. You have no legal basis for your argument. Well, that was quick.

Where does the GC ban executing war criminals? Doing so has been done before.

The GC defines what can be seen as enemy combatants and what not. They are very specific, and these men don't fall under that catagory. Hence, they are not enemy combatants. Hence, they are not war criminals. Even if they were, they would be POW's, protected as such. The laws protecting war criminals are France's own. Calling something a war criminal doesn't give anyone the right to act outside the law.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:31 pm

Burleson 2 wrote:
Cyrisnia wrote:They finally banned it?

I wish they would. I don't see how it's not deemed too offensive for NS when the nazi flag is. 1.Both groups killed people because of their religion. 2.Both groups oppose Israel. Both flags offend most Americans.


1. Lots of religious groups have killed people, from Muslims and Christians to Buddhists.
2. Who gives a shit.
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Postby Olerand » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:32 pm

Ontorisa wrote:
Olerand wrote:Of what, Muslims so far, yearly, or monthly?

So far, 1,000, and not decreasing. Yearly, 300 in 2014. Monthly, no data is kept, or at least I haven't read of any such data.


Yearly.

That's actually a really bad number tbh.

Because of? It is entirely an estimate, French intelligence agencies being notoriously incompetent.
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Postby Papait » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:32 pm

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Papait wrote:Rehabilitating them would benefit nobody.
Everybody would be offended and these men once rehabilitated would need to live with their actions.


How would everyone be offended?

Elaborate please.

And for the men who have to live with what they have done, sucks to suck. You make really, really bad mistakes in life and you have to live with them until your end of days. Happened to me plenty of times.

EDIT: Not on the scale of planning and executing mass shootings and all that, but they were pretty bad decisions.


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Postby Ontorisa » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:32 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
Ontorisa wrote:
Source. That. Shit. Or. Stop. Using. That. Argument.

Thank you.

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Not long ago, they banned burqa. Can you imagine wearing a burqa is middle of Europe, in the 21st fucking Century?


Um yeah, because in your words: "21st fucking Century". We're not living in the "fucking" 15th Century anymore. There's something now called Freedom of Expression, Freedom of Religion and Freedom of "Able to dress however you want and not having to be persecuted in developed countries since you're dressing to your beliefs".

Sorry to rain on your parade mate, but the Burqa, believe it or not, is something that is okay over here in Canada. And you better not end up calling my country "trying to turn into the next Saudi Arabia".

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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:32 pm

Ontorisa wrote:
Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:Canada is too much remote to plan an attack and it wouldn't have any "benefits" to the attacker's "cause"


Are you kidding me? Piss off

We've lost enough lives already

Try something called "google" to understand these situations instead of the view that you have currently stuck with for so long.

Lone wolf attacks =/= Planned attacks

The first guy was a drug addict and the other a piece of scum, terrorist attacks are organised and orchestrated as was shown today.

I don't need to google it, when I live in Ottawa, you person.

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Postby The Lotophagi » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:33 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
Ontorisa wrote:
What's the current rate anyways?

I think in Canada it's like less than 1% or something. We're dealing with mostly home grown terrorists. Mostly.

Canada is too much remote to plan an attack and it wouldn't have any "benefits" to the attacker's "cause"


... Remote? You do realize we have things like airplanes and boats now, right? You don't actually get to Canada by dogsledding across the frozen wilderness or hiring an Algonquian voyageur and his sturdy canoe. Well, you can, but Air Canada's probably marginally nicer.

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Postby Alyakia » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:34 pm

Kaitjan wrote:And people wonder how "those damn dirty neonazis" are gaining power in Europe. But of course, it is the fault of the Europeans. It is they who are not tolerant enough. It is they that cause extremism in immigrant groups!

FUCK!

I am fucking angry right now, if you haven't guessed. Why? It is not only because of this horrible incident (my hear goes out to those hurt by this act of terror), but also because this will continue. There will be a civil war in much of Europe, sooner or later. Because I mean seriously, this situation will not hold. Sure, you could come with the fucking argument that no all immigrants are muslims and not all muslims are extremists and ebil and yadayada. Sure. I give you that. But that does not matter in the end.

Because all it takes is a small group. Because acts like this will become more common. We already have our own sources of jihadist terror, homegrown in the cities of Europe. And with the ensuing social collapse, brought on by a unsustainable rate of immigration, failed social policies and general shit, we will get war. Maybe at low intensity at first, but it will blossom. It will spread. Radicalist, and I mean REAL FUCKING RADICALIST ultranationalist groups will grow stronger as well, with more and more people flocking to them. And then we have war. Rightists targeting the immigrants, immigrants - be they muslims or whatever - will target Europeans. And this will be a horrible civil war. Because there will be no front, there will be no borders between the warring factions. It will be terroristic acts, it will be gang warfare, it will be cities that descened into riots and killing. It will be ethnic purges. It will be religious killings. My only question is if the leftist (no, I should't blame the leftists and liberals, they are not the only ones responsible for this), but all the ASSHOLES, all the MADMEN who think that the politics in Europe are a good idea, will realize what they have done. Will they understand that they made Europe a warzone? Or will they to their last breath defend their Utopia of Multiculturalism, Love, Tolerance and Understanding. When acts like the one in Paris become common, will they still squeak in the defence of their shit? I mean, I don't know the tone of media and politicians in Europe, but I know it in Sweden. And they are the worst of the fucking worst. Squeaking, not about this being a situation of radical islam, but worrying over "if this will fuel islamophobia" in Europe.

Fuck them all. Twenty years. Maybe thirty. Probably less. And then shit's going down for real.

I can't put words on her tragic this is. On how sad and angry this makes me.


have you considered that none of this will actually happen and is just your fantasy
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Postby The Conez Imperium » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:34 pm

Papait wrote:
Ontorisa wrote:
How would everyone be offended?

Elaborate please.

And for the men who have to live with what they have done, sucks to suck. You make really, really bad mistakes in life and you have to live with them until your end of days. Happened to me plenty of times.

EDIT: Not on the scale of planning and executing mass shootings and all that, but they were pretty bad decisions.


Families of victims would rather see them locked up or killed


We haven't even heard what the family wants yet.
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Postby Ontorisa » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:34 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
Ontorisa wrote:
Are you kidding me? Piss off

We've lost enough lives already

Try something called "google" to understand these situations instead of the view that you have currently stuck with for so long.

Lone wolf attacks =/= Planned attacks

The first guy was a drug addict and the other a piece of scum, terrorist attacks are organised and orchestrated as was shown today.

I don't need to google it, when I live in Ottawa, you person.


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Sure. Yeah. Whatever floats your boat.

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Postby Olerand » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:35 pm

Papait wrote:
Ontorisa wrote:
How would everyone be offended?

Elaborate please.

And for the men who have to live with what they have done, sucks to suck. You make really, really bad mistakes in life and you have to live with them until your end of days. Happened to me plenty of times.

EDIT: Not on the scale of planning and executing mass shootings and all that, but they were pretty bad decisions.


Families of victims would rather see them locked up or killed

How dare you? Why, if that was my son who had died in that attack, I would want to see his murderer shopping in my supermarket, rehabilitated.

Or if I don't, you can always bring me a New Left relativist to explain my wrongs to me. I will feel oh so ashamed.
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