French mag. Charlie Hebdo--12 killed, many injured in attack

[Edgy Opinions]

I don't care. And I certainly don't care about their ancestors' "power relationship"(that's a new and, amazing, term) with France.

I still don't care. If you're here, you accept us. Otherwise, try your luck elsewhere.

Then I don't have how to defend your views. If your belief is that different people can't coexist, specially how it's the more powerful element imposing their way of being onto the less powerful one, then I don't think this is a productive ideology even for a capitalist society. Much less for anything a true leftist should aspire to.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

When it comes to terrorism, it's a tough spot.

You could deter future terrorists by executing the ones you arrest, but you risk upsetting:

1. The UN
2. Other countries
3. The terrorist group that you've already pissed off

You could rehabilitate them but that takes a huge amount of effort to break that extremism that has been drilled into the members.

So, execution is a faster but more brutal way while rehabilitation is a slower but more peaceful and effective way. In the end however, it is the choice of the French Justice System.

Rehabilitation would be a great victory for France if it succeeds. It would be great propaganda for the "west" if one of the former terrorist gave a speech condemning his attacks and condemning ISIS as a whole.

You can't fix stupid.

[Burleson 2]

Breaking news: this week a link between religion islam and horrific brutality, barbarism, and crimes against humanity has once again been discovered. It is expected that this link will be forgotten about shortly dismissed as a rare act of extremism, just as it has on on all other occasions.

Fixed that for you.

[Ontorisa]

Stopstopstopstopstop right there and hold the fuck up before you continue sir.

First of all, everything was not alright before the Arabs immigrated to Europe. It was still a political and national hotpot in Eastern Europe and pretty liberal in Western Europe (except for the Basque nationalists). The Arabs immigrated into Europe for asylum, escaping turmoil in countries such as Syria, the Gaza Strip (I believe, not sure, someone grab a source for me please if this happened), Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and many other places that are "politically unstable".

In order to properly construct a good argument, you need to remove your emotion from it (enough so that you aren't insulting a party that is involved in the debate. Debating 101). Right now, unfortunately, you're doing the opposite, insulting and ranting on about how bad the Arabs are. Please, if you are going to do that, just stop, please. It is not helping the discussion of this despicable and cowardly attack on satirical journalists and their superiors as well as the French National Police.

Thanks.

Funny thing is that thousands of Arab immigrants are helping ISIS now. Verbally and Physically. Arabs are going too far doing these stuff in the Heart of Europe.

Source the fuck out of that sir. I want to see statistics. Because you're thinking about the 1%. I'm talking about the 150%.

Recently, we had a Calgary Iman condemn ISIS and its actions following the Ottawa shooting. I'll happily go through all of CBC's stories about the shooting to prove that not every single Arab/Islamic Believer are a terrorist as it appears that you want to believe so.

When it comes to terrorism, it's a tough spot.

You could deter future terrorists by executing the ones you arrest, but you risk upsetting:

1. The UN
2. Other countries
3. The terrorist group that you've already pissed off

You could rehabilitate them but that takes a huge amount of effort to break that extremism that has been drilled into the members.

So, execution is a faster but more brutal way while rehabilitation is a slower but more peaceful and effective way. In the end however, it is the choice of the French Justice System.

Rehabilitation would be a great victory for France if it succeeds. It would be great propaganda for the "west" if one of the former terrorist gave a speech condemning his attacks and condemning ISIS as a whole.

I just came to that fantasy. That sounds amazing and glorious. That would definitely be a turning point in the conflict against ISIS.

[MERIZoC]

When it comes to terrorism, it's a tough spot.

You could deter future terrorists by executing the ones you arrest, but you risk upsetting:

1. The UN
2. Other countries
3. The terrorist group that you've already pissed off

You could rehabilitate them but that takes a huge amount of effort to break that extremism that has been drilled into the members.

So, execution is a faster but more brutal way while rehabilitation is a slower but more peaceful and effective way. In the end however, it is the choice of the French Justice System.

Rehabilitation would be a great victory for France if it succeeds. It would be great propaganda for the "west" if one of the former terrorist gave a speech condemning his attacks and condemning ISIS as a whole.

That would be an amazing slap-in-the-face to ISIS.

[Burleson 2]

Fucking assimilate to European society! Its fucking enough!

Exactly. If you have a problem with how they do things in Europe, don't live in Europe. I don't like socialism, that's why I don't move to San Francisco.

[Olerand]

Rehabilitation would be a great victory for France if it succeeds. It would be great propaganda for the "west" if one of the former terrorist gave a speech condemning his attacks and condemning ISIS as a whole.

Why is that? The Paris police department has spearheaded such a program, taking ex-jihadis and radical, but non-violent, Salafists across the country to talk to these youths, who suffer from discrimination and French-undue-hatred like you wouldn't believe, across the country for about a year now.

Reportedly, we have seen a decrease of 0% of French passport holders going to the IS in the past year.

I am confident that with time, we can break that record for another 0% success rate.

[Burleson 2]

Odd of them to do that. Possible that they didn't look at it closely, and assumed the Black & White was the... you know which flag.

The ISIS flag?

I've seen other nations with the ISIS flag. As far as I know, mods only delete nazi flags.

[The Conez Imperium]

Rehabilitation would be a great victory for France if it succeeds. It would be great propaganda for the "west" if one of the former terrorist gave a speech condemning his attacks and condemning ISIS as a whole.

You can't fix stupid.

Yes you can

Prominent climate change denier now admits he was wrong

. If you have the dedication, mindset and resources anything can be accomplished with education.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2012/0 ... rong-video

[Kaztropol]

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/07/ahmed ... as-muslim/

It would seem one of the policemen murdered was a Muslim, according to that source.

[Ontorisa]

Rehabilitation would be a great victory for France if it succeeds. It would be great propaganda for the "west" if one of the former terrorist gave a speech condemning his attacks and condemning ISIS as a whole.

Why is that? The Paris police department has spearheaded such a program, taking ex-jihadis and radical, but non-violent, Salafists across the country to talk to these youths, who suffer from discrimination and French-undue-hatred like you wouldn't believe, across the country for about a year now.

Reportedly, we have seen a decrease of 0% of French passport holders going to the IS in the past year.

I am confident that with time, we can break that record for another 0% success rate.

What's the current rate anyways?

I think in Canada it's like less than 1% or something. We're dealing with mostly home grown terrorists. Mostly.

[Burleson 2]

Did Muhammad birth you? If so, then you should tell someone. Muhammad, a man, has committed two miracles that day, coming back from death and giving birth.

As for your question, ultimately indifferent. It is, after all, a cartoon. Calling my mother a low-class prostitute also won't make me want to kill you, as if my mother were ever a prostitute, she certainly wouldn't be cheap.

To many people Muhammed is more important than their mother. Because he is the prophet of the God that created not only them, but everything around them that they love

You don't see Christians blowing people up for depicting Jesus in an offensive way.

[Papait]

Rehabilitating them would benefit nobody.
Everybody would be offended and these men once rehabilitated would need to live with their actions.

[Olerand]

I don't care. And I certainly don't care about their ancestors' "power relationship"(that's a new and, amazing, term) with France.

I still don't care. If you're here, you accept us. Otherwise, try your luck elsewhere.

Then I don't have how to defend your views. If your belief is that different people can't coexist, specially how it's the more powerful element imposing their way of being onto the less powerful one, then I don't think this is a productive ideology even for a capitalist society. Much less for anything a true leftist should aspire to.

By not buying the "eternal infant" story about immigrants from the Third World and how awful it is to actually live in France. I know plenty of secular Muslims, with Arabic names, who have succeeded in France. But that must be because they have accepted the unfair "power dynamic" imposed by the "ethno-politico-economic" elite on their poor and oppressed folk. In other words, they integrated.

You come to France, from anywhere in the world, you integrate.

[Ontorisa]

Rehabilitating them would benefit nobody.
Everybody would be offended and these men once rehabilitated would need to live with their actions.

How would everyone be offended?

Elaborate please.

And for the men who have to live with what they have done, sucks to suck. You make really, really bad mistakes in life and you have to live with them until your end of days. Happened to me plenty of times.

EDIT: Not on the scale of planning and executing mass shootings and all that, but they were pretty bad decisions.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

But immigrants aren't just null faces of void! They come with an already preset power relationship with the population of the host nation.

There's still the notion of European cultures being ideal/superior in such sentiment, which is historical and common to the historical Christendom, from which we benefit from, that creates a power hierarchy in relation to the cultures of the colonized, that are still oppressed under the racial superstructure, and both mingle, as they never stopped doing.

People have the duty to follow the law. Full stop.

I don't care. And I certainly don't care about their ancestors' "power relationship"(that's a new and, amazing, term) with France.

I still don't care. If you're here, you accept us. Otherwise, try your luck elsewhere.

But nooooooo, they want to turn France to Saudi Arabia. We saw what happened in Sweden and France, the native majority became a slave to the Muslim immigrant minority. Ban burqa and niqab and we will see the true face of them.

[Edgy Opinions]

Fucking assimilate to European society! Its fucking enough!

Exactly. If you have a problem with how they do things in Europe, don't live in Europe. I don't like socialism, that's why I don't move to San Francisco.

"Assimilate to society" is quite different from "be a law-abiding citizen".

The problem here is not their foreignness, but their crimes.

[The Conez Imperium]

Rehabilitating them would benefit nobody.
Everybody would be offended and these men once rehabilitated would need to live with their actions.

So what, we just refuse to help them and leave them be? We just chuck them into a prison and forget about them?

[Burleson 2]

The ISIS flag?

They finally banned it?

I wish they would. I don't see how it's not deemed too offensive for NS when the nazi flag is. Both groups killed people because of their religion. Both groups oppose Israel. Both flags offend most Americans.

[Ontorisa]

I don't care. And I certainly don't care about their ancestors' "power relationship"(that's a new and, amazing, term) with France.

I still don't care. If you're here, you accept us. Otherwise, try your luck elsewhere.

But nooooooo, they want to turn France to Saudi Arabia. We saw what happened in Sweden and France, the native majority became a slave to the Muslim immigrant minority. Ban burqa and niqab and we will see the true face of them.

Source. That. Shit. Or. Stop. Using. That. Argument.

Thank you.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

A terrible crime. France must confront radical Islam with all its strength.

[Scomagia]

Rehabilitation would be a great victory for France if it succeeds. It would be great propaganda for the "west" if one of the former terrorist gave a speech condemning his attacks and condemning ISIS as a whole.

Why is that? The Paris police department has spearheaded such a program, taking ex-jihadis and radical, but non-violent, Salafists across the country to talk to these youths, who suffer from discrimination and French-undue-hatred like you wouldn't believe, across the country for about a year now.

Reportedly, we have seen a decrease of 0% of French passport holders going to the IS in the past year.

I am confident that with time, we can break that record for another 0% success rate.

"We've tried it for a whole year and it hasn't worked! It must not work at all!"

[MERIZoC]

The ISIS flag?

I've seen other nations with the ISIS flag. As far as I know, mods only delete nazi flags.

Evidently not.

[Salandriagado]

Plus, years in prison gives the chance to find and rehabilitate the problem.

Killing them makes that impossible.

Considering that the "problem" in this case is a political view, that would basically be political imprisonment. Just lock them in as punishment and to keep the public safe.

No, the problem is thinking that murder is a reasonable way to resolve differences.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Why is that? The Paris police department has spearheaded such a program, taking ex-jihadis and radical, but non-violent, Salafists across the country to talk to these youths, who suffer from discrimination and French-undue-hatred like you wouldn't believe, across the country for about a year now.

Reportedly, we have seen a decrease of 0% of French passport holders going to the IS in the past year.

I am confident that with time, we can break that record for another 0% success rate.

What's the current rate anyways?

I think in Canada it's like less than 1% or something. We're dealing with mostly home grown terrorists. Mostly.

Canada is too much remote to plan an attack and it wouldn't have any "benefits" to the attacker's "cause"