French mag. Charlie Hebdo--12 killed, many injured in attack

[United Marxist Nations]

Odd of them to do that. Possible that they didn't look at it closely, and assumed the Black & White was the... you know which flag.

The ISIS flag?

Yeah. I just realized, I hope that the Je Suis Charlie flag is in the spirit of the cartoons and being those colors as a satire of the ISIS one.

[MERIZoC]

As for ending problems, so does life in prison. And it's much less satisfactory for extremists who wanted to be killed anyway.

If we take them alive, perhaps we can bargain with them to exchange hostages. If French national policy permits that.

That hinges on the fact that they were ISIS (or whatever group) members, and not just people trying to emulate them.

[Olerand]

The idea originated amongst the Anglo-Saxon New Left, it has propagated since. It also exists in France, albeit in consistently fewer minds.

We don't have slaves or indigenous peoples. We have immigrants. They must integrate. I don't care about Brazil, America, Peru, or China.

But immigrants aren't just null faces of void! They come with an already preset power relationship with the population of the host nation.

There's still the notion of European cultures being ideal/superior in such sentiment, which is historical and common to the historical Christendom, from which we benefit from, that creates a power hierarchy in relation to the cultures of the colonized, that are still oppressed under the racial superstructure, and both mingle, as they never stopped doing.

People have the duty to follow the law. Full stop.

I don't care. And I certainly don't care about their ancestors' "power relationship"(that's a new and, amazing, term) with France.

I still don't care. If you're here, you accept us. Otherwise, try your luck elsewhere.

[Cyrisnia]

Odd of them to do that. Possible that they didn't look at it closely, and assumed the Black & White was the... you know which flag.

The ISIS flag?

They finally banned it?

[United Marxist Nations]

Dude, everything was alright before Arabs came to Europe.

no wars or conflict before arabs came to europe.

you heard it here.

Why are you feeding him?

[Papait]

As for ending problems, so does life in prison. And it's much less satisfactory for extremists who wanted to be killed anyway.

If we take them alive, perhaps we can bargain with them to exchange hostages. If French national policy permits that.

That seems like a good idea though. Since in Algeria there is still a french hostage. But the problem is that it would be extremely hurtfull towards the family of those that died

[The Conez Imperium]

Odd of them to do that. Possible that they didn't look at it closely, and assumed the Black & White was the... you know which flag.

The ISIS flag?

I think the Mods are in overdrive with understanding this issue and thus are very protective of the forums as of now.

[Baltenstein]

Did Muhammad birth you? If so, then you should tell someone. Muhammad, a man, has committed two miracles that day, coming back from death and giving birth.

As for your question, ultimately indifferent. It is, after all, a cartoon. Calling my mother a low-class prostitute also won't make me want to kill you, as if my mother were ever a prostitute, she certainly wouldn't be cheap.

To many people Muhammed is more important than their mother. Because he is the prophet of the God that created not only them, but everything around them that they love

So?

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

So now we swap religionism for open racism.

Actually there are a lot Albanians and Bosnians who are angry of always being associated with Arabs (Buse).

Do you mean everyone? Nobody liked Arabs in Europe, since all they did was playing the mercenary role for Ottomans and pillage the Albanian and Slavic people of the Empire and now they do these stuff.

[MERIZoC]

The ISIS flag?

Yeah. I just realized, I hope that the Je Suis Charlie flag is in the spirit of the cartoons and being those colors as a satire of the ISIS one.

I dunno. Black and white are pretty common. Besides, I thought the ISIS flag was okay. I'm sure I've seen some people with it.

[The Carlisle]

They just end them. Also, why is your flag the default one, only in low res?

As for ending problems, so does life in prison. And it's much less satisfactory for extremists who wanted to be killed anyway.

Plus, years in prison gives the chance to find and rehabilitate the problem.

Killing them makes that impossible.

[Edgy Opinions]

I would love that as well, but personally, I'm more a fan of stopping them, shooting them, and dumping the bodies into the River Seine.

Civilized people do not do that. Instead, they send them to French Guiana. Or they use too.

http://www.trussel.com/maig/Maigret-in-France/bagn1.htm

But you HAVE to post something about the Caribbean!11!1!!!1!

[Olerand]

Did Muhammad birth you? If so, then you should tell someone. Muhammad, a man, has committed two miracles that day, coming back from death and giving birth.

As for your question, ultimately indifferent. It is, after all, a cartoon. Calling my mother a low-class prostitute also won't make me want to kill you, as if my mother were ever a prostitute, she certainly wouldn't be cheap.

To many people Muhammed is more important than their mother. Because he is the prophet of the God that created not only them, but everything around them that they love

And I care about that as much as I care about the Catholics who were offended by Angels and Demons.

[Papait]

The ISIS flag?

They finally banned it?

Prolly not. Freedom of speech and such.

[Imperializt Russia]

I had the "Je Suis Charlie" flag. The mods got rid of it. I'm keeping the default until I get an answer as to why.

Odd of them to do that. Possible that they didn't look at it closely, and assumed the Black & White was the... you know which flag.

No, it's completely normal and was stated ITT previously.

"Contentious political issues" are not permitted as flag material.
When the whole "it's just a flag" thing was going up from Gameplay/WA, I changed my flag from what was removed to "contentious political issues" in the same format and had that removed too.

[The Conez Imperium]

If we take them alive, perhaps we can bargain with them to exchange hostages. If French national policy permits that.

That seems like a good idea though. Since in Algeria there is still a french hostage. But the problem is that it would be extremely hurtfull towards the family of those that died

I never thought about the disrespect towards the families...gosh what a difficult issue.

[Olerand]

As for ending problems, so does life in prison. And it's much less satisfactory for extremists who wanted to be killed anyway.

Plus, years in prison gives the chance to find and rehabilitate the problem.

Killing them makes that impossible.

While giving them their welfare dues too? I mean, anything less would be downright inhumane.

[Kaitjan]

As for ending problems, so does life in prison. And it's much less satisfactory for extremists who wanted to be killed anyway.

Plus, years in prison gives the chance to find and rehabilitate the problem.

Killing them makes that impossible.

There should be no rehabilitation for scum like that. Death or lifetime. Everything else I think is despicable.

[United Marxist Nations]

As for ending problems, so does life in prison. And it's much less satisfactory for extremists who wanted to be killed anyway.

Plus, years in prison gives the chance to find and rehabilitate the problem.

Killing them makes that impossible.

Considering that the "problem" in this case is a political view, that would basically be political imprisonment. Just lock them in as punishment and to keep the public safe.

[Olerand]

I would love that as well, but personally, I'm more a fan of stopping them, shooting them, and dumping the bodies into the River Seine.

Civilized people do not do that. Instead, they send them to French Guiana. Or they use too.

http://www.trussel.com/maig/Maigret-in-France/bagn1.htm

Paris massacre of 1961.

[Ontorisa]

As for ending problems, so does life in prison. And it's much less satisfactory for extremists who wanted to be killed anyway.

Plus, years in prison gives the chance to find and rehabilitate the problem.

Killing them makes that impossible.

When it comes to terrorism, it's a tough spot.

You could deter future terrorists by executing the ones you arrest, but you risk upsetting:

1. The UN
2. Other countries
3. The terrorist group that you've already pissed off

You could rehabilitate them but that takes a huge amount of effort to break that extremism that has been drilled into the members.

So, execution is a faster but more brutal way while rehabilitation is a slower but more peaceful and effective way. In the end however, it is the choice of the French Justice System.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Dude, everything was alright before Arabs came to Europe. Turks, Bosnians and Albanians which had some Muslim immigrants integrated pretty well and didn't demand anything. The stubborn Arabs came to Europe, acting like they own it.

Stopstopstopstopstop right there and hold the fuck up before you continue sir.

First of all, everything was not alright before the Arabs immigrated to Europe. It was still a political and national hotpot in Eastern Europe and pretty liberal in Western Europe (except for the Basque nationalists). The Arabs immigrated into Europe for asylum, escaping turmoil in countries such as Syria, the Gaza Strip (I believe, not sure, someone grab a source for me please if this happened), Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and many other places that are "politically unstable".

In order to properly construct a good argument, you need to remove your emotion from it (enough so that you aren't insulting a party that is involved in the debate. Debating 101). Right now, unfortunately, you're doing the opposite, insulting and ranting on about how bad the Arabs are. Please, if you are going to do that, just stop, please. It is not helping the discussion of this despicable and cowardly attack on satirical journalists and their superiors as well as the French National Police.

Thanks.

Funny thing is that thousands of Arab immigrants are helping ISIS now. Verbally and Physically. Arabs are going too far doing these stuff in the Heart of Europe.

[Rio Cana]

Civilized people do not do that. Instead, they send them to French Guiana. Or they use too.

http://www.trussel.com/maig/Maigret-in-France/bagn1.htm

But you HAVE to post something about the Caribbean!11!1!!!1!

So much hostility! French Guiana is NOT in the Caribbean!

See this large map - http://www.operationworld.org/files/ow/ ... MAP-md.png

[The Conez Imperium]

Plus, years in prison gives the chance to find and rehabilitate the problem.

Killing them makes that impossible.

When it comes to terrorism, it's a tough spot.

You could deter future terrorists by executing the ones you arrest, but you risk upsetting:

1. The UN
2. Other countries
3. The terrorist group that you've already pissed off

You could rehabilitate them but that takes a huge amount of effort to break that extremism that has been drilled into the members.

So, execution is a faster but more brutal way while rehabilitation is a slower but more peaceful and effective way. In the end however, it is the choice of the French Justice System.

Rehabilitation would be a great victory for France if it succeeds. It would be great propaganda for the "west" if one of the former terrorist gave a speech condemning his attacks and condemning ISIS as a whole.

[The Carlisle]

Plus, years in prison gives the chance to find and rehabilitate the problem.

Killing them makes that impossible.

When it comes to terrorism, it's a tough spot.

You could deter future terrorists by executing the ones you arrest, but you risk upsetting:

1. The UN
2. Other countries
3. The terrorist group that you've already pissed off

You could rehabilitate them but that takes a huge amount of effort to break that extremism that has been drilled into the members.

So, execution is a faster but more brutal way while rehabilitation is a slower but more peaceful and effective way. In the end however, it is the choice of the French Justice System.

There is only one choice in your case, since the death penalty is illegal in France (in their constitution).

Also "It's tough so lets not do it" Is utter bovine.