French mag. Charlie Hebdo--12 killed, many injured in attack

[Risottia]

No.
Because satirising a religious figure isn't racism.

How would you feel if a drew an offensive cartoon of your mother?

My mother is a living person who could choose to feeling offended by your picture, should you publish it, and sue you for compensation. I wouldn't be involved hence my feelings are irrelevant.
Also, offensive does not imply racism. Also, false analogy as Muhammad isn't a living person.

[Kantona]

This is a repeat what happened already.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

[Ontorisa]

Nope. Just those of you that don't wish to live in modern society.

How quaint. And yet, I am not of those 70% of French polled who want to ban the hijab in public. So counting them, and people like me, that gives you......Uhm....Probably 80~90% of ethnic French. Lots of people.

No offence, but what's up with the Francais and les Francophones hating the religious symbols? I mean we have the French who want the Hijab to be banned and we have the Quebecois who passed a bill banning major religious symbols from being worn by public employees.

This is how you piss off religions.

[Papait]

How would you feel if a drew an offensive cartoon of your mother?

I'm fine with that.

I mean apparently I have 50 dads I never knew about on Xbox Live.

Cool, i bet they're all around the age of twelve. Right?
My point was that drawing a offensive cartoon of somebodies mother i have never met who has not done anything to me is the same as drawing a offensive cartoon of the prophet muhammed.

[The Carlisle]

So.... international criminals... of terrorism...

Also, I was more triggered by the "lining them up, shooting them, and dumping their bodies in the river". In fact, you never stated at all about combat, which I'm fine with if they fire first.

Of course, anyone who goes out killing these men out on the street is a murderer. Unless you want vigilantes and mob justice to rule this day. I want France to track and arrest these men and put them on trial, not shoot them on the streets.

I said "stopping them, shooting them", I never said lining them up was a prerequisite.

Logic would suggest they will not allow themselves to be captured.

I guess.

Of course. And if French police and military forces capture them alive, the course of action is to not execute them but to imprison them for trial.

So.... international criminals... of terrorism...

Also, I was more triggered by the "lining them up, shooting them, and dumping their bodies in the river". In fact, you never stated at all about combat, which I'm fine with if they fire first.

Of course, anyone who goes out killing these men out on the street is a murderer. Unless you want vigilantes and mob justice to rule this day. I want France to track and arrest these men and put them on trial, not shoot them on the streets.

Any french soldier has the right to execute them if they manage to capture them.

I'm pretty sure they don't.

[Salandriagado]

I'm fine with that.

I mean apparently I have 50 dads I never knew about on Xbox Live.

Cool, i bet they're all around the age of twelve. Right?
My point was that drawing a offensive cartoon of somebodies mother i have never met who has not done anything to me is the same as drawing a offensive cartoon of the prophet muhammed.

In that neither is racism (well, unless there's a racist joke included) yes.

[Kantona]

What do you guys think about people drawing Muhammad as sort of a revenge and showing support to the journalists?

Im a muslim my self and its quite sad to see people offending me and my religion for the sake of shitting on the extremists. Whenever I see a painting of Muhammad, I feel offended, and im not an easy person to offend. Not because it's racists posting it, because that shit im used to, but your everyday person posting that to insult us muslims.

I mean, I get that you guys ask, why not draw them? Im just saying, why do that? Don't you have 9 billion others things to draw? Why draw something that offends people unnecessarily? Just my point of view tho. If you want to insult the terrorists, make charicatures degrading ISIS and terrorists, no need to fuck rest of us over. I hate them as much as the next person, but I can't stand the casual racism you feel me?

In that case I politely recomend you that living in Europe is not for you.

[Edgy Opinions]

We certainly do. Hell, new immigrants to France must sign a contract with the State promising to integrate, and are refused citizenship if they don't. We. Most. Certainly. Do.

Sorry cultural relativism isn't popular outside the quaint world-views of the Anglo-Saxon lefties.

Did you ever realize I'm actually South American?

Forced cultural assimilation is something we associate with historical nationalist objectives that ended up oppressing not only immigrants, but also Indigenous populations and descendants of slaves who resisted our white supremacist institutions.

[MERIZoC]

This is a repeat what happened already.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

….In what sense?

[Risottia]

I'm fine with that.

I mean apparently I have 50 dads I never knew about on Xbox Live.

Cool, i bet they're all around the age of twelve. Right?
My point was that drawing a offensive cartoon of somebodies mother i have never met who has not done anything to me is the same as drawing a offensive cartoon of the prophet muhammed.

Then your point is stupid.

[Ontorisa]

I'm fine with that.

I mean apparently I have 50 dads I never knew about on Xbox Live.

Cool, i bet they're all around the age of twelve. Right?
My point was that drawing a offensive cartoon of somebodies mother i have never met who has not done anything to me is the same as drawing a offensive cartoon of the prophet muhammed.

Two different things you're comparing here. One is a religious symbol worshipped by millions, if not billions (some of which are extremely devout followers and are willing to protect his image, example being Malaysia, who passed a law saying that non-Islamic believers cannot say Islamic holy words like "Allah", etc. I experienced that law first hand btw, it's not fun, it's fucking scary.) while the other one is someone you haven't met before.

[United Marxist Nations]

How quaint. And yet, I am not of those 70% of French polled who want to ban the hijab in public. So counting them, and people like me, that gives you......Uhm....Probably 80~90% of ethnic French. Lots of people.

No offence, but what's up with the Francais and les Francophones hating the religious symbols? I mean we have the French who want the Hijab to be banned and we have the Quebecois who passed a bill banning major religious symbols from being worn by public employees.

This is how you piss off religions.

Probably has to to with the French Revolution.

[The Conez Imperium]

How quaint. And yet, I am not of those 70% of French polled who want to ban the hijab in public. So counting them, and people like me, that gives you......Uhm....Probably 80~90% of ethnic French. Lots of people.

No offence, but what's up with the Francais and les Francophones hating the religious symbols? I mean we have the French who want the Hijab to be banned and we have the Quebecois who passed a bill banning major religious symbols from being worn by public employees.

This is how you piss off religions.

It's most likely their Eurocentric views. I come from Australia a very multicultural society where literally anything passes as Auzzie but in Europe I can understand why foreign religions can be seen as "invading" on traditional cultural aspects. Hell they even started to hate on the Kebab. Hating on another culture's/countries food is one of the lowest denominators one could go to.

[Baltenstein]

No.
Because satirising a religious figure isn't racism.

How would you feel if a drew an offensive cartoon of your mother?

If my mother could grant me 72 virgins and eternal paradise, I honestly wouldn't care.

That's another thing I don't get about those Islamist jokers (and religious fundies in general). They know (at least they think so) that all of those nasty atheists, caricaturists, infidels, Western imperalists, homosexuals etc whatever are going to fry in the deepest pit of hell forever and ever, while they themselves will get all those pimptastic riches and delights beyond their imagination.
So why get all outraged over what happens in the few decades of a human life span? Why give a fuck?

[Edgy Opinions]

No offence, but what's up with the Francais and les Francophones hating the religious symbols? I mean we have the French who want the Hijab to be banned and we have the Quebecois who passed a bill banning major religious symbols from being worn by public employees.

This is how you piss off religions.

Religions have no right not to be pissed.

Religious people have rights that the State should protect rather than deny or violate.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Stupid liberal French people, accepting and now surrendering to Algerians. After what I am seeing Western Europe should start a mass deportation of unwanted, irresponsible, criminal immigrants, Arabs are a threat for Europe, not Muslims, only Arabs.

[United Marxist Nations]

I said "stopping them, shooting them", I never said lining them up was a prerequisite.

Logic would suggest they will not allow themselves to be captured.

I guess.

Of course. And if French police and military forces capture them alive, the course of action is to not execute them but to imprison them for trial.

And then I would suggest execution as the sentence.

[Olerand]

How quaint. And yet, I am not of those 70% of French polled who want to ban the hijab in public. So counting them, and people like me, that gives you......Uhm....Probably 80~90% of ethnic French. Lots of people.

No offence, but what's up with the Francais and les Francophones hating the religious symbols? I mean we have the French who want the Hijab to be banned and we have the Quebecois who passed a bill banning major religious symbols from being worn by public employees.

This is how you piss off religions.

Laïcité, a founding tenant of the French Republic. As for the Quebecois, they were being hypocrites, as apparently the massive cross in their Assembly would stay up. Hypocrites.

Religions must accommodate us and our laws. You have the universal right to practice your religion. France allows you to be Muslim, there are mosques in France, and prayers are held on Friday. Beyond that, it's up to you to accommodate us.

[Burleson 2]

Religion of peace?

[Ereria]

What do you guys think about people drawing Muhammad as sort of a revenge and showing support to the journalists?

Im a muslim my self and its quite sad to see people offending me and my religion for the sake of shitting on the extremists. Whenever I see a painting of Muhammad, I feel offended, and im not an easy person to offend. Not because it's racists posting it, because that shit im used to, but your everyday person posting that to insult us muslims.

I mean, I get that you guys ask, why not draw them? Im just saying, why do that? Don't you have 9 billion others things to draw? Why draw something that offends people unnecessarily? Just my point of view tho. If you want to insult the terrorists, make charicatures degrading ISIS and terrorists, no need to fuck rest of us over. I hate them as much as the next person, but I can't stand the casual racism you feel me?

Free speech gets violated or something if they can't draw what they want. I just have to say this: the problem with just drawing more and more cartoons of Muhammed in rather derogatory situation give the extremists more fuel for their attacks by saying "Look! Those dirty Western infidel/scum/pigs are disrespecting our dear prophet!" It just doesn't work out. And if we have to draw Muhammed, can't we just draw him in scenes of him doing good and cherry-pick verses from the Qur'an that support the goodwill?

Just my 2 cents/1/8 riyal.

Exactly. It will give fuel to even more terrorism. The real solution is to do like Norway did for example after the Breivik shootings. Show love to the dead and make it remarkable. Drawing muhammad I would not prefer as a muslim, but if everyone just had to draw a man just cuz (I guess when something is like ''illegal'' ((not really)) , it makes it feel better to draw, sort of like when something is illegal people become more tempted to do that thing)) I would prefer him properly drawn yes.

You don't even have to cherry pick verses. Actually, if you posted a whole sura which contains violence, you could show people that violence is only allowed as self defence, and never ever is act of violence encouraged for anything else than self defence.

[Ontorisa]

No offence, but what's up with the Francais and les Francophones hating the religious symbols? I mean we have the French who want the Hijab to be banned and we have the Quebecois who passed a bill banning major religious symbols from being worn by public employees.

This is how you piss off religions.

It's most likely their Eurocentric views. I come from Australia a very multicultural society where literally anything passes as Auzzie but in Europe I can understand why foreign religions can be seen as "invading" on traditional cultural aspects. Hell they even started to hate on the Kebab. Hating on another culture's/countries food is one of the lowest denominators one could go to.

You're right.

Quebec believes that they're the last bastion of French in Canada, which is total bullshit by the way since there's a lot of French-speakers here in the Maritimes as well as in Ontario, saying that they need to preserve the French culture in Quebec by phasing out English.

[Edgy Opinions]

Stupid liberal French people, accepting and now surrendering to Algerians. After what I am seeing Western Europe should start a mass deportation of unwanted, irresponsible, criminal immigrants, Arabs are a threat for Europe, not Muslims, only Arabs.

So now we swap religionism for open racism.

[The Carlisle]

I guess.

Of course. And if French police and military forces capture them alive, the course of action is to not execute them but to imprison them for trial.

And then I would suggest execution as the sentence.

Capital punishment is illegal in France. Unless they want to tear up their constitution to get petty revenge.

[Olerand]

We certainly do. Hell, new immigrants to France must sign a contract with the State promising to integrate, and are refused citizenship if they don't. We. Most. Certainly. Do.

Sorry cultural relativism isn't popular outside the quaint world-views of the Anglo-Saxon lefties.

Did you ever realize I'm actually South American?

Forced cultural assimilation is something we associate with historical nationalist objectives that ended up oppressing not only immigrants, but also Indigenous populations and descendants of slaves who resisted our white supremacist institutions.

The idea originated amongst the Anglo-Saxon New Left, it has propagated since. It also exists in France, albeit in consistently fewer minds.

We don't have slaves or indigenous peoples. We have immigrants. They must integrate. I don't care about Brazil, America, Peru, or China.

[Kantona]

Stupid liberal French people, accepting and now surrendering to Algerians. After what I am seeing Western Europe should start a mass deportation of unwanted, irresponsible, criminal immigrants, Arabs are a threat for Europe, not Muslims, only Arabs.

So now we swap religionism for open racism.

Actually there are a lot Albanians and Bosnians who are angry of always being associated with Arabs (Buse).