French mag. Charlie Hebdo--12 killed, many injured in attack

[Norstal]

If you're saying they had it coming and won't defend the victims at all, that is approving the murder.


There's nothing to "fuel" extremists. If it isn't Charlie Hebdo, it'll be some other place that had a confrontation with them, no matter how minuscule.

Once more, murder isn't the answer, i already said that plenty of times.

And once more, saying "they deserve it" is condoning the attacks. This is no different than saying you should get raped if you wear something attractive or slutty. Victim blaming is never justified when violence is acted upon them.

Yes there is, how do you think people turn into an extremist? Its not like they go to facebook, like a page and that's it.

I doubt moderate Muslims read Charlie and became extremists. That's just as absurd.

[Lytenburgh]

But then we get to the conclusion the far-right supports. "If they won't stop killing, they should be kicked out or killed". Is that what should be done to extremists?

With extremists? Absolutely. France should choose at last -

1) Either to continue its current game of "Tolerastia" with just about everyone, finding pathetic excuses for some ethnic groups not only not integrating into French society well, but becoming a breeding ground for the said extremists, while blissfully provocing them with everything said ethnic communes deem "offensive", while awaiting another ethnic riot and/or terract.

2) Capitulate to them entirely, with self-censorship and entire society acting "politically-correct" in fear to provoce an outrage both from un-assimilated migrants at home and from extremists abroad.

3) Say "fuck it!" and crack down really hard on both extremists at home and their bredding ground, plus increading France's role in combatting the extremism internationally. Which is a) Costly b) Might piss off some people who held "Universal Freedoms" as something sacred and, well, univeral.

There ain't no other way IMHO.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

Once more, murder isn't the answer, i already said that plenty of times.

And once more, saying "they deserve it" is condoning the attacks. This is no different than saying you should get raped if you wear something attractive or slutty.

Yes there is, how do you think people turn into an extremist? Its not like they go to facebook, like a page and that's it.

I doubt moderate Muslims read Charlie and became extremists. That's just as absurd.

Where did i said that they deserved it?
True, but like said, he was one of many that fuels the hatred.

[Geilinor]

b) Might piss off some people who held "Universal Freedoms" as something sacred and, well, univeral.

There ain't no other way IMHO.

I'm just fine with your option three, I don't see how it will piss people off unless you're suggesting that support of human rights means support of terrorism.

[Norstal]

And once more, saying "they deserve it" is condoning the attacks. This is no different than saying you should get raped if you wear something attractive or slutty.


I doubt moderate Muslims read Charlie and became extremists. That's just as absurd.

Where did i said that they deserved it?
True, but like said, he was one of many that fuels the hatred.

You said "he had it coming." How the hell does that not translate to "he deserved it"?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/deserve

If English is your second language, then I'll be more lenient, but if you're dodging arguments then I won't have it.

[Lytenburgh]

b) Might piss off some people who held "Universal Freedoms" as something sacred and, well, univeral.

There ain't no other way IMHO.

I'm just fine with your option three, I don't see how it will piss people off unless you're suggesting that support of human rights means support of terrorism.

The question here, that neither me or you should answer, is "Should France become Bush-era USA?"

Take for example 20-year cap on any sentence. Or the abolishon of death penalty. Or lack of anything akin "Patriot Act". Or...

[Dain II Ironfoot]

Where did i said that they deserved it?
True, but like said, he was one of many that fuels the hatred.

You said "he had it coming." How the hell does that not translate to "he deserved it"?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/deserve

If English is your second language, then I'll be more lenient, but if you're dodging arguments then I won't have it.

He has it coming =/= he deserves it.
Difference between the two is that the first one is more like a statement/warning while the second one is promoting.
English is my fourth language and yes, i know i'm not an expert on it.
Dodging arguments? You are mixing up words and with that you create an argument.

[Gauthier]

A better quote: "We don't joke around with religion... It's dangerous. If they have killed Charlie( as in Charb, who these sweethearts clearly think is this "Charlie"), it's because he doesn't respect religion. They attacked Islam, and here, they see another face of Islam, anger. If Charlie continues(apparently to exist), the youth here will have to move(take actions into their own hands)."

Another gem: "There was no need to kill a dozen people.They could have just killed him( as in Charlie, as in Charb)."

The future of France is looking bright.

Seem to me you're giddy that French Muslims are falling into the Mindless Violent Jihadi stereotypes.

[Estva]

A better quote: "We don't joke around with religion... It's dangerous. If they have killed Charlie( as in Charb, who these sweethearts clearly think is this "Charlie"), it's because he doesn't respect religion. They attacked Islam, and here, they see another face of Islam, anger. If Charlie continues(apparently to exist), the youth here will have to move(take actions into their own hands)."

Another gem: "There was no need to kill a dozen people.They could have just killed him( as in Charlie, as in Charb)."

The future of France is looking bright.

You are really just looking for any reason to crack down on people who aren't French, aren't you.

[Olerand]

A better quote: "We don't joke around with religion... It's dangerous. If they have killed Charlie( as in Charb, who these sweethearts clearly think is this "Charlie"), it's because he doesn't respect religion. They attacked Islam, and here, they see another face of Islam, anger. If Charlie continues(apparently to exist), the youth here will have to move(take actions into their own hands)."

Another gem: "There was no need to kill a dozen people.They could have just killed him( as in Charlie, as in Charb)."

The future of France is looking bright.

Seem to me you're giddy that French Muslims are falling into the Mindless Violent Jihadi stereotypes.

I'm beyond pleased that the future of France looks like this, yes. Between secular college graduates, and these fine young folk, I choose them.

[Gauthier]

Seem to me you're giddy that French Muslims are falling into the Mindless Violent Jihadi stereotypes.

I'm beyond pleased that the future of France looks like this, yes. Between secular college graduates, and these fine young folk, I choose them.

And so you're in the same corner with the people who say Charlie Hebdo had it coming.

[Eastern Equestria]

You said "he had it coming." How the hell does that not translate to "he deserved it"?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/deserve

If English is your second language, then I'll be more lenient, but if you're dodging arguments then I won't have it.

He has it coming =/= he deserves it.
Difference between the two is that the first one is more like a statement/warning while the second one is promoting.
English is my fourth language and yes, i know i'm not an expert on it.
Dodging arguments? You are mixing up words and with that you create an argument.

He had his horrific murder coming for drawing some raunchy cartoons? That is essentially implying that he deserved it.

I'd find a better way of expressing whatever it is that your position entails.

[Geilinor]

I'm beyond pleased that the future of France looks like this, yes. Between secular college graduates, and these fine young folk, I choose them.

And so you're in the same corner with the people who say Charlie Hebdo had it coming.

Supporting taking college educated immigrants over others puts Olerand in extremist row? Wow, that must mean most voters in Canada are extremist Islamophobes.

[Olerand]

I'm beyond pleased that the future of France looks like this, yes. Between secular college graduates, and these fine young folk, I choose them.

And so you're in the same corner with the people who say Charlie Hebdo had it coming.

Yes. I think Charlie and his friends had it coming because of what they said about the Prophet(PBH). I am glad France's youth also understand this.

[Greed and Death]

He has it coming =/= he deserves it.
Difference between the two is that the first one is more like a statement/warning while the second one is promoting.
English is my fourth language and yes, i know i'm not an expert on it.
Dodging arguments? You are mixing up words and with that you create an argument.

He had his horrific murder coming for drawing some raunchy cartoons? That is essentially implying that he deserved it.

I'd find a better way of expressing whatever it is that your position entails.

I think Dain is suggesting he knew the likely consequences of his actions, an attempt(s) on his life and the lives of those he works with. Not that such attempts were justified.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

And so you're in the same corner with the people who say Charlie Hebdo had it coming.

Yes. I think Charlie and his friends had it coming because of what they said about the Prophet(PBH). I am glad France's youth also understand this.

Charlie and his friends?

Do you even know what you're talking about?

Leaving aside the horrifying lack of humanity in your response, CHARLIE HEBDO WAS THE NAME OF THE MAGAZINE, NOT A PERSON.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And so you're in the same corner with the people who say Charlie Hebdo had it coming.

Yes. I think Charlie and his friends had it coming because of what they said about the Prophet(PBH). I am glad France's youth also understand this.

What's with the sudden change of tone?

[Geilinor]

You said "he had it coming." How the hell does that not translate to "he deserved it"?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/deserve

If English is your second language, then I'll be more lenient, but if you're dodging arguments then I won't have it.

He has it coming =/= he deserves it.

The former is colloquial for the latter.

[Olerand]

Individuals who have been following this thread and took my latest post seriously really, really, need to start grasping mockery.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Yes. I think Charlie and his friends had it coming because of what they said about the Prophet(PBH). I am glad France's youth also understand this.

What's with the sudden change of tone?

He's being sarcastic, mate.

[Eastern Equestria]

He had his horrific murder coming for drawing some raunchy cartoons? That is essentially implying that he deserved it.

I'd find a better way of expressing whatever it is that your position entails.

I think Dain is suggesting he knew the likely consequences of his actions, an attempt(s) on his life and the lives of those he works with. Not that such attempts were justified.

If this is the case then I can certainly reconcile his viewpoint.

[Ethel mermania]

You said "he had it coming." How the hell does that not translate to "he deserved it"?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/deserve

If English is your second language, then I'll be more lenient, but if you're dodging arguments then I won't have it.

He has it coming =/= he deserves it.
Difference between the two is that the first one is more like a statement/warning while the second one is promoting.
English is my fourth language and yes, i know i'm not an expert on it.
Dodging arguments? You are mixing up words and with that you create an argument.

yea it kind of does "he had it coming" in english means what happened is a reasonable response to the provocation. maybe you mean, ""it was predictable"

[Gauthier]

And so you're in the same corner with the people who say Charlie Hebdo had it coming.

Supporting taking college educated immigrants over others puts Olerand in extremist row? Wow, that must mean most voters in Canada are extremist Islamophobes.

There's nothing Islamaphobic about being glad about a violent terrorist attack that killed many people because it proves your assertions about the religion and its faithful "correct". Nope.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Individuals who have been following this thread and took my latest post seriously really, really, need to start grasping mockery.

I just came here and had to go several pages back to get this.

[Gauthier]

Individuals who have been following this thread and took my latest post seriously really, really, need to start grasping mockery.

Mockery and sarcasm don't work when they sound too plausible from the source.