French mag. Charlie Hebdo--12 killed, many injured in attack

[Norstal]

Le Monde has run a great article about how the teenagers of Saint-Denis are in fact, not Charlie.

Because, and I quote: "I have no pity for him(Charb, the editor). He has no respect for us, Muslims."

I was surprised Le Monde would dare run such an article, but I am quite pleased it's willing to actually cover reality.

... are you saying they're wrong?
Because based on what I've seen... the cartoons produced were kind of blatantly racist (amongst other things).
So.. I can't really blame local citizens for not pitying a piece of shit that made life harder for them and those like them.

Yeah they are wrong. I don't remember the last time any American or anyone get pissed at an Onion article. Surely these people can calm their tits as well.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

Le Monde has run a great article about how the teenagers of Saint-Denis are in fact, not Charlie.

Because, and I quote: "I have no pity for him(Charb, the editor). He has no respect for us, Muslims."

I was surprised Le Monde would dare run such an article, but I am quite pleased it's willing to actually cover reality.

Well sure, its a sad thing. on the other hand, he had it coming, i'm not suprised about it at all.
Freedom of speech will never make a better world as long as there are people that don't have any respect for others. That's the whole issue with Charlie but also with those out of simular cases like Theo, they can't even respect others yet they expect others to respect them.

[Olerand]

Le Monde has run a great article about how the teenagers of Saint-Denis are in fact, not Charlie.

Because, and I quote: "I have no pity for him(Charb, the editor). He has no respect for us, Muslims."

I was surprised Le Monde would dare run such an article, but I am quite pleased it's willing to actually cover reality.

Well sure, its a sad thing. on the other hand, he had it coming, i'm not suprised about it at all.
Freedom of speech will never make a better world as long as there are people that don't have any respect for others. That's the whole issue with Charlie but also with those out of simular cases like Theo, they can't even respect others yet they expect others to respect them.

You're right. Asking for not being murdered for a drawing is an unrealistic demand. Offend someone, die. Oh oop, no, offend Muslims, die. Offend Christians or Jews, the New Left will rise to your defense like you're Jesus on the cross.

Offensive drawing=death. France 2015.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

Well sure, its a sad thing. on the other hand, he had it coming, i'm not suprised about it at all.
Freedom of speech will never make a better world as long as there are people that don't have any respect for others. That's the whole issue with Charlie but also with those out of simular cases like Theo, they can't even respect others yet they expect others to respect them.

You're right. Asking for not being murdered for a drawing=drawing a drawing.

Offensive drawing=death. France 2015.

And once again, nobody is really suprised, why? Becouse he simply knew he had it coming, why? He had 0 respect for others, why? We will never know.

[Norstal]

Le Monde has run a great article about how the teenagers of Saint-Denis are in fact, not Charlie.

Because, and I quote: "I have no pity for him(Charb, the editor). He has no respect for us, Muslims."

I was surprised Le Monde would dare run such an article, but I am quite pleased it's willing to actually cover reality.

Well sure, its a sad thing. on the other hand, he had it coming, i'm not suprised about it at all.
Freedom of speech will never make a better world as long as there are people that don't have any respect for others. That's the whole issue with Charlie but also with those out of simular cases like Theo, they can't even respect others yet they expect others to respect them.

Well, I guess we should just start shooting people who disrespects you. They had it coming after all.

[Olerand]

You're right. Asking for not being murdered for a drawing=drawing a drawing.

Offensive drawing=death. France 2015.

And once again, nobody is really suprised, why? Becouse he simply knew he had it coming, why? He had 0 respect for others, why? We will never know.

And I'm saying you're right. Don't respect Muhammad, die. It's only logical.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Le Monde has run a great article about how the teenagers of Saint-Denis are in fact, not Charlie.

Because, and I quote: "I have no pity for him(Charb, the editor). He has no respect for us, Muslims."

I was surprised Le Monde would dare run such an article, but I am quite pleased it's willing to actually cover reality.

Well sure, its a sad thing. on the other hand, he had it coming, i'm not suprised about it at all.
Freedom of speech will never make a better world as long as there are people that don't have any respect for others. That's the whole issue with Charlie but also with those out of simular cases like Theo, they can't even respect others yet they expect others to respect them.

There's a difference between respecting someone and not murdering them.

I, for example, don't respect a broad number of politicians and public figures for a variety of things because of opinions they hold or actions they take which I perceive not to respect me or my opinions.
I have, to date, managed not to kill any of them.
It's not a very high bar.

[Norstal]

You're right. Asking for not being murdered for a drawing=drawing a drawing.

Offensive drawing=death. France 2015.

And once again, nobody is really suprised, why? Becouse he simply knew he had it coming, why? He had 0 respect for others, why? We will never know.

These extremists think that by not being Muslim, you are disrespecting them. This is the stupidest defense I've ever heard.

[Lytenburgh]

And I'm saying you're right. Don't respect Muhammad, die. It's only logical.

Olerand, are you applying the same logic and thought pattern to radical islamists as to Westerners?

[Olerand]

And I'm saying you're right. Don't respect Muhammad, die. It's only logical.

Olerand, are you applying the same logic and thought pattern to radical islamists as to Westerners?

There are many, many, Westerners who will bend over backwards, then frontwards, then sideways, to make excuses for Islamists. I presume my post was directed at such a Westerner.

So, yes, actually -unbelievably- I am.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

Well sure, its a sad thing. on the other hand, he had it coming, i'm not suprised about it at all.
Freedom of speech will never make a better world as long as there are people that don't have any respect for others. That's the whole issue with Charlie but also with those out of simular cases like Theo, they can't even respect others yet they expect others to respect them.

Well, I guess we should just start shooting people who disrespects you. They had it coming after all.

More or less, yes, though i still don't approve of the murder if you think that.

And once again, nobody is really suprised, why? Becouse he simply knew he had it coming, why? He had 0 respect for others, why? We will never know.

And I'm saying you're right. Don't respect Muhammad, die. It's only logical.

Murder is always bad, though one could avoid being killed by just respecting other people (its not just Muslims, look at Pim Fortuin). Point is that i find respect towards one another much more important then using freedom of speech to fuel hatred.

Well sure, its a sad thing. on the other hand, he had it coming, i'm not suprised about it at all.
Freedom of speech will never make a better world as long as there are people that don't have any respect for others. That's the whole issue with Charlie but also with those out of simular cases like Theo, they can't even respect others yet they expect others to respect them.

There's a difference between respecting someone and not murdering them.

I, for example, don't respect a broad number of politicians and public figures for a variety of things because of opinions they hold or actions they take which I perceive not to respect me or my opinions.
I have, to date, managed not to kill any of them.
It's not a very high bar.

And i fully agree. Murder is never the answer, but to avoid being killed one could also just show some respect towards one another, even when you don't agree with his opinion. Charlie didn't, and look what happend to him.

And once again, nobody is really suprised, why? Becouse he simply knew he had it coming, why? He had 0 respect for others, why? We will never know.

These extremists think that by not being Muslim, you are disrespecting them. This is the stupidest defense I've ever heard.

You do realize that even Charlie contributed to the hatred that fuels these extremists right?

[Olerand]

Well, I guess we should just start shooting people who disrespects you. They had it coming after all.

More or less, yes, though i still don't approve of the murder if you think that.

And I'm saying you're right. Don't respect Muhammad, die. It's only logical.

Murder is always bad, though one could avoid being killed by just respecting other people (its not just Muslims, look at Pim Fortuin). Point is that i find respect towards one another much more important then using freedom of speech to fuel hatred.

There's a difference between respecting someone and not murdering them.

I, for example, don't respect a broad number of politicians and public figures for a variety of things because of opinions they hold or actions they take which I perceive not to respect me or my opinions.
I have, to date, managed not to kill any of them.
It's not a very high bar.

And i fully agree. Murder is never the answer, but to avoid being killed one could also just show some respect towards one another, even when you don't agree with his opinion. Charlie didn't, and look what happend to him.

These extremists think that by not being Muslim, you are disrespecting them. This is the stupidest defense I've ever heard.

You do realize that even Charlie contributed to the hatred that fuels these extremists right?

Entirely right. Offend me, I kill you. Mhm.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

More or less, yes, though i still don't approve of the murder if you think that.



Murder is always bad, though one could avoid being killed by just respecting other people (its not just Muslims, look at Pim Fortuin). Point is that i find respect towards one another much more important then using freedom of speech to fuel hatred.



And i fully agree. Murder is never the answer, but to avoid being killed one could also just show some respect towards one another, even when you don't agree with his opinion. Charlie didn't, and look what happend to him.



You do realize that even Charlie contributed to the hatred that fuels these extremists right?

Entirely right. Offend me, I kill you. Mhm.

Once more, murder is bad and there's never an excuse to murder somebody (aside from self-defense).

[Norstal]

Well, I guess we should just start shooting people who disrespects you. They had it coming after all.

More or less, yes, though i still don't approve of the murder if you think that.

If you're saying they had it coming and won't defend the victims at all, that is approving the murder.

You do realize that even Charlie contributed to the hatred that fuels these extremists right?

There's nothing to "fuel" extremists. If it isn't Charlie Hebdo, it'll be some other place that had a confrontation with them, no matter how minuscule.

[Occupied Deutschland]

And i fully agree. Murder is never the answer, but to avoid being killed one could also just show some respect towards one another, even when you don't agree with his opinion. Charlie didn't, and look what happend to him.

Nah, people just shouldn't kill other people for disrespecting them.
That's the less batshit bonkers option here. Puts the issue in the hands of the ones it belongs to.

[Lytenburgh]

There are many, many, Westerners who will bend over backwards, then frontwards, then sideways, to make excuses for Islamists. I presume my post was directed at such a Westerner.

So, yes, actually -unbelievably- I am.

I'm not a Westerner. At all. So, having R-word priviledge, I can safely say that certain groups of..., lets call them "people", who have chosen pages and quotations from Quaran in their heads, are not used to the same things that are held "sacred" by the Western society.

For them it is their Faith and Prophet who are sacred, not Freedom of Speech and Expression. And it's rather naive to ask them not to commit killing and mayhem in the name of "universal values" (tm)

[Geilinor]

You're right. Asking for not being murdered for a drawing=drawing a drawing.

Offensive drawing=death. France 2015.

And once again, nobody is really suprised, why? Becouse he simply knew he had it coming, why? He had 0 respect for others, why? We will never know.

So more posters excusing murder. I've come on this thread after two days and nothing has changed.

[Olerand]

There are many, many, Westerners who will bend over backwards, then frontwards, then sideways, to make excuses for Islamists. I presume my post was directed at such a Westerner.

So, yes, actually -unbelievably- I am.

I'm not a Westerner. At all. So, having R-word priviledge, I can safely say that certain groups of..., lets call them "people", who have chosen pages and quotations from Quaran in their heads, are not used to the same things that are held "sacred" by the Western society.

For them it is their Faith and Prophet who are sacred, not Freedom of Speech and Expression. And it's rather naive to ask them not to commit killing and mayhem in the name of "universal values" (tm)

I am aware. Which is why I'm baffled why the New Left would bend itself into a pretzel to defend people who share absolutely none, none, of its values or convictions.

In fact, they are a bigger threat to those values than Marine, Putin, and any Republican combined.

[Geilinor]

There are many, many, Westerners who will bend over backwards, then frontwards, then sideways, to make excuses for Islamists. I presume my post was directed at such a Westerner.

So, yes, actually -unbelievably- I am.

I'm not a Westerner. At all. So, having R-word priviledge, I can safely say that certain groups of..., lets call them "people", who have chosen pages and quotations from Quaran in their heads, are not used to the same things that are held "sacred" by the Western society.

For them it is their Faith and Prophet who are sacred, not Freedom of Speech and Expression. And it's rather naive to ask them not to commit killing and mayhem in the name of "universal values" (tm)

But then we get to the conclusion the far-right supports. "If they won't stop killing, they should be kicked out or killed". Is that what should be done to extremists?

[Dain II Ironfoot]

More or less, yes, though i still don't approve of the murder if you think that.

If you're saying they had it coming and won't defend the victims at all, that is approving the murder.

You do realize that even Charlie contributed to the hatred that fuels these extremists right?

There's nothing to "fuel" extremists. If it isn't Charlie Hebdo, it'll be some other place that had a confrontation with them, no matter how minuscule.

Once more, murder isn't the answer, i already said that plenty of times.
Yes there is, how do you think people turn into an extremist? Its not like they go to facebook, like a page and that's it.

And i fully agree. Murder is never the answer, but to avoid being killed one could also just show some respect towards one another, even when you don't agree with his opinion. Charlie didn't, and look what happend to him.

Nah, people just shouldn't kill other people for disrespecting them.
That's the less batshit bonkers option here. Puts the issue in the hands of the ones it belongs to.

I agree that they shouldn't be killed for such thing, though i can't say i'm all that suprised nor can i say that i didn't see it coming. Its just a game of when and where mostly. And as long as there are people who have no respect towards others then there will always be some "guy" who can't handle it and crosses the line, returning to violence.

[Olerand]

I'm not a Westerner. At all. So, having R-word priviledge, I can safely say that certain groups of..., lets call them "people", who have chosen pages and quotations from Quaran in their heads, are not used to the same things that are held "sacred" by the Western society.

For them it is their Faith and Prophet who are sacred, not Freedom of Speech and Expression. And it's rather naive to ask them not to commit killing and mayhem in the name of "universal values" (tm)

But then we get to the conclusion the far-right supports. "If they won't stop killing, they should be kicked out or killed". Is that what should be done to extremists?

Luckily Marine supports neither. But yet again, the FN is the radical right, not the far-right.

[Ontorisa]

But then we get to the conclusion the far-right supports. "If they won't stop killing, they should be kicked out or killed". Is that what should be done to extremists?

Luckily Marine supports neither. But yet again, the FN is the radical right, not the far-right.

C'est vrai.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

And once again, nobody is really suprised, why? Becouse he simply knew he had it coming, why? He had 0 respect for others, why? We will never know.

So more posters excusing murder. I've come on this thread after two days and nothing has changed.

I'm once again (getting tired of writing this) not excusing any murders.

I'm not a Westerner. At all. So, having R-word priviledge, I can safely say that certain groups of..., lets call them "people", who have chosen pages and quotations from Quaran in their heads, are not used to the same things that are held "sacred" by the Western society.

For them it is their Faith and Prophet who are sacred, not Freedom of Speech and Expression. And it's rather naive to ask them not to commit killing and mayhem in the name of "universal values" (tm)

I am aware. Which is why I'm baffled why the New Left would bend itself into a pretzel to defend people who share absolutely none, none, of its values or convictions.

In fact, they are a bigger threat to those values than Marine, Putin, and any Republican combined.

I wonder which "left" you're talking about since i haven't heard any politician defending extremists.

[Geilinor]

But then we get to the conclusion the far-right supports. "If they won't stop killing, they should be kicked out or killed". Is that what should be done to extremists?

Luckily Marine supports neither. But yet again, the FN is the radical right, not the far-right.

I wasn't talking about Marine, I meant the logical extension to Lytenburgh's post, unless Lyt wants people to tolerate killing and mayhem.

[Olerand]

So more posters excusing murder. I've come on this thread after two days and nothing has changed.

I'm once again (getting tired of writing this) not excusing any murders.

I am aware. Which is why I'm baffled why the New Left would bend itself into a pretzel to defend people who share absolutely none, none, of its values or convictions.

In fact, they are a bigger threat to those values than Marine, Putin, and any Republican combined.

I wonder which "left" you're talking about since i haven't heard any politician defending extremists.

No, the politicians just don't mention them. At all. Instead they focus on "not stigmatizing". To them, extremism doesn't need to be named, or addressed; doing so is stigmatizing.

The excusing is up to the rank and file.