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Postby Greater-London » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:40 am

Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:Even the thought of making out with other men disgusts someone who's straight. Just like I don't have to fuck an animal to find out if 'I may be into bestiality'. It just disgusting and I know it.


Not really. Two men kissing/having sex doesn't disgust me I'm completely apathetic to it. Much in the same way when you see a lion having sex in a documentary you don't feel sick it just doesn't turn you on.

No you don't have to get of with a guy to "confirm" your straightness through not enjoying it. Most men don't, but some men do and the fact they did it and didn't enjoy it prooves their straightness.
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:40 am

Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:Why not? A lot of people experiment with their sexuality, and in my opinion, they should. If a straight man makes out with another man and decides that he really wasn't that into it and would much rather make out with a woman, then how is he any less straight than a man who hasn't made out with a guy? If anything, the experience has only affirmed his sexuality.

Even the thought of making out with other men disgusts someone who's straight. Just like I don't have to fuck an animal to find out if 'I may be into bestiality'. It just disgusting and I know it.

Why? As a gay male (I'm genderfluid, too, but I consider my sex and gender to be mutually exclusive), I have questioned my sexuality a number of times. I've never actually gotten to the point of experimenting with women, but I've considered it.

In a similar vein, my mother, who is a straight woman, has experimented with other women. She decided that she prefers men, and identifies as straight. Does that make her a lesbian? Not at all.
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Postby Skappola » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:40 am

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Skappola wrote:Yes, but the realization that you had made out with a man is... jarring, to say the least.


Not really. Waking up naked in bed with one after a night on the sauce, now that's a bit jarring.

Nothing that can't be fixed with a cup of tea and a bacon butty though.

To be fair, bacon solves most problems.
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Postby Krieg-Deathworld » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:40 am

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You've never bought food for your male acquaintances?

Not at a 5 star restaurant....
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:41 am

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Merizoc wrote:That's up for the two people involved to decide. If you have a partner, ask.

I'm not going to ask random people will dresses on whether they are a woman. That's the kind of information which should be out in the open before any sort of romantic or sexual relations begin.

People might not want to be open about it so that they don't get harassed by transphobic dicks. Just like you won't ask everyone you meet what kind of genitalia they have, trans people won't say "I have a penis" or whatever, to everyone they meet. If you start dating a person, and it really means so much to you, ask them before going further.

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Postby Earl of Sandwich IV » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:41 am

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:Even the thought of making out with other men disgusts someone who's straight. Just like I don't have to fuck an animal to find out if 'I may be into bestiality'. It just disgusting and I know it.

My boyfriend is straight, but he's even admitted that there are a few men he would kiss if they asked him to.
HINT: You being bigoted to the point of being incapable of recognizing that there is a difference between a homosexual attraction and an experimentation is not a good qualifier for determining who is and isn't actually straight.

Then he's bisexual, not straight.

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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:41 am

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Olthar wrote:It's a trick question, right? The answer is D: all of the above?


I was going to say the one on the far right, but after looking at the pic again, it defintily is a trick question.

I would like for one of the transphobes to answer me.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:41 am

Greater-London wrote:
Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:Even the thought of making out with other men disgusts someone who's straight. Just like I don't have to fuck an animal to find out if 'I may be into bestiality'. It just disgusting and I know it.


Not really. Two men kissing/having sex doesn't disgust me I'm completely apathetic to it. Much in the same way when you see a lion having sex in a documentary you don't feel sick it just doesn't turn you on.

No you don't have to get of with a guy to "confirm" your straightness through not enjoying it. Most men don't, but some men do and the fact they did it and didn't enjoy it prooves their straightness.


I dunno.
I think most men these days actually have made out with other men and used it as part of their calculation on their sexuality.
Maybe my teenage years were just weird. or my town is weird.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:42 am

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I'm guessing if you're going out with someone and you're about to have sex, you should've known by then that they were transgendered. It's pretty important.


Not particularly.
But if I thought it was important i'd bring it up, is the point.
If they were trans and didnt think it was important either, then there isn't much of an issue. If they think it's important, they'll bring it up and i'll go "Oh ok."


If neither of you thought it was important, then there would be no issue.

But if you're to the point of having sex, you both probably should know each other personally enough that they would've told you they were trans.

It's very important. Maybe not to someone else, but to the trans person their self, it's extremely important and would be emotionally devastating if someone rejected them because they were trans.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:42 am

Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:My boyfriend is straight, but he's even admitted that there are a few men he would kiss if they asked him to.
HINT: You being bigoted to the point of being incapable of recognizing that there is a difference between a homosexual attraction and an experimentation is not a good qualifier for determining who is and isn't actually straight.

Then he's bisexual, not straight.

Incorrect.

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:42 am

Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:My boyfriend is straight, but he's even admitted that there are a few men he would kiss if they asked him to.
HINT: You being bigoted to the point of being incapable of recognizing that there is a difference between a homosexual attraction and an experimentation is not a good qualifier for determining who is and isn't actually straight.

Then he's bisexual, not straight.

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Postby Olthar » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:42 am

Or how about you just don't demand to know what genitals someone has because it's none of your goddamn business? How about you don't care about what genitals someone may or may not have had at one point because it's none of your goddamn business. You aren't entitled to know the current status and history of another person's genitals. That information is their's and their's alone, just like how you aren't required to give a detailed report on your genitals to every person you meet. Stop with this transphobic bullshit.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:42 am

Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:My boyfriend is straight, but he's even admitted that there are a few men he would kiss if they asked him to.
HINT: You being bigoted to the point of being incapable of recognizing that there is a difference between a homosexual attraction and an experimentation is not a good qualifier for determining who is and isn't actually straight.

Then he's bisexual, not straight.


I'm a big fan of brocolli you know.
This one time I tried it and it was fucking disgusting.

I'm also a huge fan of tomatoes, because while I never bother to eat them myself they dont particularly offend me and i'll eat them if someone serves them.

That's ridiculous.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:43 am

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Burleson 2 wrote:As long as the rest of her body is feminine enough to make up for it.

Which one of these women was born with a penis?

Gonna say the one on the far left.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:43 am

Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:My boyfriend is straight, but he's even admitted that there are a few men he would kiss if they asked him to.
HINT: You being bigoted to the point of being incapable of recognizing that there is a difference between a homosexual attraction and an experimentation is not a good qualifier for determining who is and isn't actually straight.

Then he's bisexual, not straight.

Except that he's not. He has no attraction to men. But he's not afraid to kiss them because he's not uptight and homophobic.
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Postby Krieg-Deathworld » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:43 am

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
I was going to say the one on the far right, but after looking at the pic again, it defintily is a trick question.

I would like for one of the transphobes to answer me.

The last 2 look kind of off, but the other one might be, I'd have to chat with it for a while. It's a combination of factors.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:43 am

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Burleson 2 wrote:As long as the rest of her body is feminine enough to make up for it.

Which one of these women was born with a penis?

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Postby Nuwe Suid Afrika » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:43 am

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
I was going to say the one on the far right, but after looking at the pic again, it defintily is a trick question.

I would like for one of the transphobes to answer me.


The one of the far left.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:44 am

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:Then he's bisexual, not straight.

Except that he's not. He has no attraction to men. But he's not afraid to kiss them because he's not uptight and homophobic.


And that's before you get into complex community based shenanigans.
Ask them if they'd kiss a guy if they then got to watch two hot girls make out.
Ask them if they'd do it if they got to watch that, then kiss them afterwards too.
And now, most males have made out with males. For the pussy.

Totes gay guyz, lul.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:44 am

Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:My boyfriend is straight, but he's even admitted that there are a few men he would kiss if they asked him to.
HINT: You being bigoted to the point of being incapable of recognizing that there is a difference between a homosexual attraction and an experimentation is not a good qualifier for determining who is and isn't actually straight.

Then he's bisexual, not straight.

I think the "official" term is straight with exceptions or as my friend describes me with "heteroflexable"
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Postby Earl of Sandwich IV » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:45 am

Greater-London wrote:
Earl of Sandwich IV wrote:Even the thought of making out with other men disgusts someone who's straight. Just like I don't have to fuck an animal to find out if 'I may be into bestiality'. It just disgusting and I know it.


Not really. Two men kissing/having sex doesn't disgust me I'm completely apathetic to it. Much in the same way when you see a lion having sex in a documentary you don't feel sick it just doesn't turn you on.

No you don't have to get of with a guy to "confirm" your straightness through not enjoying it. Most men don't, but some men do and the fact they did it and didn't enjoy it prooves their straightness.

So would have make out with a lion, you know, just to 'explore' your sexuality. No, certainly not. It's not necessary. And straight men don't make out with otherd dudes.

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Postby Krieg-Deathworld » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:45 am

Olthar wrote:Or how about you just don't demand to know what genitals someone has because it's none of your goddamn business? How about you don't care about what genitals someone may or may not have had at one point because it's none of your goddamn business. You aren't entitled to know the current status and history of another person's genitals. That information is their's and their's alone, just like how you aren't required to give a detailed report on your genitals to every person you meet. Stop with this transphobic bullshit.

No one's asking you to wear a star of fucking David! They are asking you to identify yourself reasonably soon into a relationship.
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Postby Greater-London » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:45 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
I dunno.
I think most men these days actually have made out with other men and used it as part of their calculation on their sexuality.
Maybe my teenage years were just weird. or my town is weird.


Meh we can only talk from personal experience.
It's not something I've thought about, and to my knowledge none of my male friends growing up did either, although girls did.
Looking back to my post its not something we can make a broad rule about really.
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:45 am

Krieg-Deathworld wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:I would like for one of the transphobes to answer me.

The last 2 look kind of off, but the other one might be, I'd have to chat with it for a while. It's a combination of factors.

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Postby Esternial » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:46 am

The fact of the matter is: sexual attraction is not about whether someone has two X or an X and Y chromosome. When we look at a person, we'll become attracted (or not) based of physical characteristics. If that person has characteristics we find attractive, we will inevitably be attracted.

Take a situation where you meet a woman that was once a male. She has feminine traits, traits that you find attractive as a heterosexual man.
a) Is there a problem with kissing this woman, whom you find attractive, regardless of her background? Just kissing.
b) Is there a problem with (I'll put this in terms some of you can graps) putting your "pee-pee" in her "hoo-hah" for casual sex when she has a perfectly functional set of female genitals, regardless of whether she once had a penis?

Answer should be "no" to both. The only time the past sex of a person truly matters is when you intend to start a meaningful relationship with this person. Purely for sexual purposes, it's only the tools that count. For kissing that is your mouth and for sex that would be your genitals. I trust most of you have had sex-ed by now.
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