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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:14 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:What happened to our muslims? :blink:

Dutchlands were neglected. :P


Poor Nethermuslims :(
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Postby Baltenstein » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:15 am

Herrebrugh wrote:
Martean wrote:Europe is getting full of ebul muzlimz

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Or maybe it's us, that have a distorsioned perception of the number of muslims we really have


Btw, a far-right Spanish political party has tried to make huge, national PEGIDA-like demonstration throughout Spain, in most cities the protest was directly banned, although in some cities it wasn't and the affluence didn't reach more than 5 people in most of the cities, and in some places no one went. I guess Spain is diferent.


What happened to our muslims? :blink:


The combined forces of the rising sea level and Muslim immigrant hordes were simply too much; the Netherlands are now lost.

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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:22 am

Baltenstein wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
What happened to our muslims? :blink:


The combined forces of the rising sea level and Muslim immigrant hordes were simply too much; the Netherlands are now lost.

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Heh. I wonder who made that. I like it :)

Actually, I looked it up. Apparently it's made by the Czech David Cerny. There are several more of these on other countries in the European Council...
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Postby Laerod » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:17 am

Apparently about 35,000 protesters showed up to protest against PEGIDA in Dresden. That's a bit less than double the highest number of PEGIDA supporters Dresden has seen.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:18 am

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Laerod wrote:Not if you adjust for poverty levels.


Lol yeah lets give muslims free money so they don't commit crime. Good one.

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That's not even remotely like anything he said.
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Postby Herskerstad » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:24 am

Laerod wrote:Apparently about 35,000 protesters showed up to protest against PEGIDA in Dresden. That's a bit less than double the highest number of PEGIDA supporters Dresden has seen.


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Postby Martean » Sat Jan 10, 2015 1:43 pm

Laerod wrote:Apparently about 35,000 protesters showed up to protest against PEGIDA in Dresden. That's a bit less than double the highest number of PEGIDA supporters Dresden has seen.


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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:14 pm

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Postby Kantona » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:50 pm

Pegida needs to galavnise its protestors. The SDP/Grüne/Linke Zealots are not enough to get on every counter-protests.
Pegida needs the spirit of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xjzEw7mPeo

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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:53 pm

Kantona wrote:Pegida needs to galavnise its protestors. The SDP/Grüne/Linke Zealots are not enough to get on every counter-protests.
Pegida needs the spirit of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xjzEw7mPeo

The CDU doesn't support these protests either. I don't know who does, but it's no mainstream party.
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Postby Kantona » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:54 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Kantona wrote:Pegida needs to galavnise its protestors. The SDP/Grüne/Linke Zealots are not enough to get on every counter-protests.
Pegida needs the spirit of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xjzEw7mPeo

The CDU doesn't support these protests either. I don't know who does, but it's no mainstream party.

Yes, you are right. Pegida is supported by the people and not elite politicians.

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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:55 pm

Kantona wrote:
Geilinor wrote:The CDU doesn't support these protests either. I don't know who does, but it's no mainstream party.

Yes, you are right. Pegida is supported by the people and not elite politicians.

The 35,000 counter-protesters are also the people.
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Postby Baltenstein » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:56 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Kantona wrote:Pegida needs to galavnise its protestors. The SDP/Grüne/Linke Zealots are not enough to get on every counter-protests.
Pegida needs the spirit of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xjzEw7mPeo

The CDU doesn't support these protests either. I don't know who does, but it's no mainstream party.


The AfD still doesn't know if it supports PEGIDA or not. They are part academic economists (who kinda don't want to associate themselves with anti-immigrant protests), and part outspoken outspoken conservatives/nationalists (who have less qualms).
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Postby Laerod » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:02 pm

Kantona wrote:
Geilinor wrote:The CDU doesn't support these protests either. I don't know who does, but it's no mainstream party.

Yes, you are right. Pegida is supported by the people and not elite politicians.

It's hard to find decent polls on the issue, but it would appear that PEGIDA is not supported by the people: 85% wouldn't go out and protest with them, 9% would.

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Postby Kantona » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:16 pm

Laerod wrote:
Kantona wrote:Yes, you are right. Pegida is supported by the people and not elite politicians.

It's hard to find decent polls on the issue, but it would appear that PEGIDA is not supported by the people: 85% wouldn't go out and protest with them, 9% would.

Actually, that are people that are going out without excecting any benefits, risking to be stigamtized. That is nothing more than civil courage and an act of peacefull revolt. They are the opposite of all thoose party jugend who are going at the counter protest who received a command they have to make.

There are different polls suggesting otherwise.

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Postby Laerod » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:18 pm

Kantona wrote:
Laerod wrote:It's hard to find decent polls on the issue, but it would appear that PEGIDA is not supported by the people: 85% wouldn't go out and protest with them, 9% would.

Actually, that are people that are going out without excecting any benefits, risking to be stigamtized. That is nothing more than civil courage and an act of peacefull revolt. They are the opposite of all thoose party jugend who are going at the counter protest who received a command they have to make.

No idea what you're even trying to say here.
There are different polls suggesting otherwise.

Prove it.

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Postby Kantona » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:24 pm

Laerod wrote:No idea what you're even trying to say here.

Of course not, it was not expected from you. As yourself are a consument of the mainstream media and political elites.

Prove it.

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Postby Mefpan » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:29 pm

Kantona wrote:They are the opposite of all thoose party jugend who are going at the counter protest who received a command they have to make.

I'd also feel a whole lot better if I could pretend all those PEGIDA goons I disagree with are just there because their superiors ordered them to, but they really do believe the garbage they're saying, same as the opposition stepping up to protest against PEGIDA no matter how unpleasant that's got to be to accept for you.
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Postby Laerod » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:42 pm

Kantona wrote:
Laerod wrote:No idea what you're even trying to say here.

Of course not, it was not expected from you. As yourself are a consument of the mainstream media and political elites.

Nah, your English is just that shit and/or littered with weird buzzwords. I'm afraid I don't speak your particular Parallelkultur's dialect.

Numbers about marching lie within the margin of error and are thus essentially the same. The thirty percent bit is new, but it also shows that an overwhelming majority of two thirds finds PEGIDA's fears exaggerated. Thank you for substantiating the statement that PEGIDA does not enjoy popular support.

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Postby Kantona » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:08 pm

Nah, your English is just that shit and/or littered with weird buzzwords. I'm afraid I don't speak your particular Parallelkultur's dialect.


Yay, look who is saying this. This seems to be some english word from Kreuzberg, St. Pauli or a similar shithole.

also cultural not Kultur.

The number who supports them is not in this case. The fact is that there is a critical mass of ordinary people who are even in minority and has a guts to stand up.

the rest are just brainwashed and uneducated one whose biggest concern ist what do Justin Bieber or Selena Gomez are doing right now.
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Postby Laerod » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:19 pm

Kantona wrote:
Nah, your English is just that shit and/or littered with weird buzzwords. I'm afraid I don't speak your particular Parallelkultur's dialect.


Yay, look who is saying this. This seems to be some english word from Kreuzberg, St. Pauli or a similar shithole.

Are you even old enough to post here? It's a pretty common term when talking about fears regarding our fellow Germans with Turkish roots.
also cultural not Kultur.

So what is your first language? I know it's not English and I'm beginning to suspect it's not German either.
The number who supports them is not in this case. The fact is that there is a critical mass of ordinary people who are even in minority and has a guts to stand up.

Move those goalposts! Move them!
the rest are just brainwashed and uneducated one whose biggest concern ist what do Justin Bieber or Selena Gomez are doing right now.

I only care about Bieber when he's being punched by Legolas. =D

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Postby Kantona » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:52 pm

Laerod wrote:Are you even old enough to post here? It's a pretty common term when talking about fears regarding our fellow Germans with Turkish roots.

Nobody has fear of them. also please dont call them Germans, as they not want to be intified as Germans. I am concerned more with the asylym seekers who come illegal here and we dont know how many of them are there. It is not fair that they have the same rights as someone who paid taxes for 40+ years to the Bundesregiereung.
So what is your first language? I know it's not English and I'm beginning to suspect it's not German either.

Look, my point was that you should use english language in a english-speaking forum. I love the Germans language but it is not appropriate to use it.

P.S. Ja ich kann Deutsch sprechen, doch ich sehe nicht wieso ist es so wichtig.


Move those goalposts! Move them!

In translation: "I have no better arguments than personal attack on PEGIDA. So please move on"
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:55 pm

Kantona wrote:
Laerod wrote:Are you even old enough to post here? It's a pretty common term when talking about fears regarding our fellow Germans with Turkish roots.

Nobody has fear of them. also please dont call them Germans, as they not want to be intified as Germans.

Turkish roots don't make them non-German. They want to be German, but it might not be your picture of a German.
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Postby Laerod » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:59 pm

Kantona wrote:
Laerod wrote:Are you even old enough to post here? It's a pretty common term when talking about fears regarding our fellow Germans with Turkish roots.

Nobody has fear of them. also please dont call them Germans, as they not want to be intified as Germans. I am concerned more with the asylym seekers who come illegal here and we dont know how many of them are there. It is not fair that they have the same rights as someone who paid taxes for 40+ years to the Bundesregiereung.

This is precisely the problem. You're afraid of imaginary things. The Germany in which asylum seekers have rights even remotely approaching those of German citizens does not exist.
So what is your first language? I know it's not English and I'm beginning to suspect it's not German either.

Look, my point was that you should use english language in a english-speaking forum. I love the Germans language but it is not appropriate to use it.

P.S. Ja ich kann Deutsch sprechen, doch ich sehe nicht wieso ist es so wichtig.

Your English verges on unintelligible at times. Your German, based on the limited sample, is somewhat better.
Move those goalposts! Move them!

In translation: "I have no better arguments than personal attack on PEGIDA. So please move on"

Nah. I pointed out they're not supported by the people, contrary to what you claimed. Now that you've been disproven you're talking about how all that ever mattered was that there was a critical mass. It's a classic example of moving the goalposts.

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Postby Kantona » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:06 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Kantona wrote:Nobody has fear of them. also please dont call them Germans, as they not want to be intified as Germans.

Turkish roots don't make them non-German. They want to be German, but it might not be your picture of a German.

Look, I talked to many of them. From all conversations they first indentify as Turks/Arabs/Africans than as rest. I wish it could be different but that is the reality. One day they will make up about 15% of Germanys population and Germany will experiance the same as Paris yesterday.

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