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Postby Gauthier » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:08 am

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Imperializt Russia wrote:Translation: "I'm not racist, but".

well considering Muslims are not a race


Tell that to the fucking morons who murder Indians because Brown Skin = Muslim to them.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:49 pm

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Macedom wrote: well considering Muslims are not a race


Tell that to the fucking morons who murder Indians because Brown Skin = Muslim to them.

They are wrong, muslims are not a race, and do not all share the same culture.
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Postby Laerod » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:50 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Tell that to the fucking morons who murder Indians because Brown Skin = Muslim to them.

They are wrong, muslims are not a race, and do not all share the same culture.

We're not accusing racists of logical consistency.

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Sorry but I cannot adapt to your fantasies (if you brain does not allows you to read properly than it is nor my problem). We could aswell speak another language aswell If you inzist.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:50 pm

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Ethel mermania wrote:They are wrong, muslims are not a race, and do not all share the same culture.

We're not accusing racists of logical consistency.

I don't believe I was either.
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Postby Martean » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:35 am

Europe is getting full of ebul muzlimz

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Or maybe it's us, that have a distorsioned perception of the number of muslims we really have


Btw, a far-right Spanish political party has tried to make huge, national PEGIDA-like demonstration throughout Spain, in most cities the protest was directly banned, although in some cities it wasn't and the affluence didn't reach more than 5 people in most of the cities, and in some places no one went. I guess Spain is diferent.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:44 am

Martean wrote:Europe is getting full of ebul muzlimz

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Or maybe it's us, that have a distorsioned perception of the number of muslims we really have


Btw, a far-right Spanish political party has tried to make huge, national PEGIDA-like demonstration throughout Spain, in most cities the protest was directly banned, although in some cities it wasn't and the affluence didn't reach more than 5 people in most of the cities, and in some places no one went. I guess Spain is diferent.

The thing is PEGIDA is mostly about eastern Germans (especially people Dresden) feeling disfavoured and poor; in their eyes they are at a disadvantage economically-speaking and the government is welcoming asylum-seekers (immigrants that will probably cost society more than they contribute) whilst ignoring them. Sure, there have been manifestations of considerable size in western cities and Spain's economy is fucked up (which could convince native Spaniards to go out and protest) but it's mostly due (in my opinion at least) to a certain sense of abandonment.

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Postby Laerod » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:49 am

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Martean wrote:Europe is getting full of ebul muzlimz

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Or maybe it's us, that have a distorsioned perception of the number of muslims we really have


Btw, a far-right Spanish political party has tried to make huge, national PEGIDA-like demonstration throughout Spain, in most cities the protest was directly banned, although in some cities it wasn't and the affluence didn't reach more than 5 people in most of the cities, and in some places no one went. I guess Spain is diferent.

The thing is PEGIDA is mostly about eastern Germans (especially people Dresden) feeling disfavoured and poor; in their eyes they are at a disadvantage economically-speaking and the government is welcoming asylum-seekers (immigrants that will probably cost society more than they contribute) whilst ignoring them. Sure, there have been manifestations of considerable size in western cities and Spain's economy is fucked up (which could convince native Spaniards to go out and protest) but it's mostly due (in my opinion at least) to a certain sense of abandonment.

I kinda doubt that these people represent impoverished Germans. They're pretty much smack from the middle of society, it seems.

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Postby Martean » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:53 am

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Martean wrote:Europe is getting full of ebul muzlimz

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Or maybe it's us, that have a distorsioned perception of the number of muslims we really have


Btw, a far-right Spanish political party has tried to make huge, national PEGIDA-like demonstration throughout Spain, in most cities the protest was directly banned, although in some cities it wasn't and the affluence didn't reach more than 5 people in most of the cities, and in some places no one went. I guess Spain is diferent.

The thing is PEGIDA is mostly about eastern Germans (especially people Dresden) feeling disfavoured and poor; in their eyes they are at a disadvantage economically-speaking and the government is welcoming asylum-seekers (immigrants that will probably cost society more than they contribute) whilst ignoring them. Sure, there have been manifestations of considerable size in western cities and Spain's economy is fucked up (which could convince native Spaniards to go out and protest) but it's mostly due (in my opinion at least) to a certain sense of abandonment.


Yeah but for some reason, we don't. I find really surprising that in Spain far-right parties haven't even managed to get a single MP in any state legislature, not even when the crisis had already hit us hard and unemployment was above 18%.

Another surprising fact is that, during the crisis, immigration has passed from being a problem for 7-10% of Spaniards before the crisis to a rough 0.5%, now even racism is seen as a bigger problem, being one for 1% of Spaniards.

I have no clue why in countries that are much better off than us, such as France, Norway, Denmark, the UK or Germany anti-immigrant sentiments are on the rise, while in one of the countries hit the most by the crisis, they aren't.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:09 am

Martean wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:The thing is PEGIDA is mostly about eastern Germans (especially people Dresden) feeling disfavoured and poor; in their eyes they are at a disadvantage economically-speaking and the government is welcoming asylum-seekers (immigrants that will probably cost society more than they contribute) whilst ignoring them. Sure, there have been manifestations of considerable size in western cities and Spain's economy is fucked up (which could convince native Spaniards to go out and protest) but it's mostly due (in my opinion at least) to a certain sense of abandonment.


Yeah but for some reason, we don't. I find really surprising that in Spain far-right parties haven't even managed to get a single MP in any state legislature, not even when the crisis had already hit us hard and unemployment was above 18%.

Another surprising fact is that, during the crisis, immigration has passed from being a problem for 7-10% of Spaniards before the crisis to a rough 0.5%, now even racism is seen as a bigger problem, being one for 1% of Spaniards.

I have no clue why in countries that are much better off than us, such as France, Norway, Denmark, the UK or Germany anti-immigrant sentiments are on the rise, while in one of the countries hit the most by the crisis, they aren't.

Well, to be fair parties leaning further to the left than the PSOE are experiencing a rise in popularity. In principle it's the same thing; they're getting right-wing populists and we're getting left-wing populists. Después de todo, África empieza en los Pirineos.
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Postby Martean » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:13 am

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Martean wrote:
Yeah but for some reason, we don't. I find really surprising that in Spain far-right parties haven't even managed to get a single MP in any state legislature, not even when the crisis had already hit us hard and unemployment was above 18%.

Another surprising fact is that, during the crisis, immigration has passed from being a problem for 7-10% of Spaniards before the crisis to a rough 0.5%, now even racism is seen as a bigger problem, being one for 1% of Spaniards.

I have no clue why in countries that are much better off than us, such as France, Norway, Denmark, the UK or Germany anti-immigrant sentiments are on the rise, while in one of the countries hit the most by the crisis, they aren't.

Well, to be fair parties leaning further to the left than the PSOE are experiencing a rise in popularity. In principle it's the same thing; they're getting right-wing populists and we're getting left-wing populists. Después de todo, África empieza en los Pirineos.
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Postby Arvenia » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:14 am

Fuck the Nazis! They are just wanting to form a Nazi state that would later take over Europe and conquer the non-white immigrants' home countries.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:19 am

Arvenia wrote:Fuck the Nazis! They are just wanting to form a Nazi state that would later take over Europe and conquer the non-white immigrants' home countries.

Undoubtedly, some neo-Nazis have joined these manifestations but most people protesting are not Nazis.

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Postby Laerod » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:20 am

Arvenia wrote:Fuck the Nazis! They are just wanting to form a Nazi state that would later take over Europe and conquer the non-white immigrants' home countries.

Bit of an overreach there.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:22 am

Martean wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:Well, to be fair parties leaning further to the left than the PSOE are experiencing a rise in popularity. In principle it's the same thing; they're getting right-wing populists and we're getting left-wing populists. Después de todo, África empieza en los Pirineos.
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Why happened to Catalonia. :blink:
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Postby Martean » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:24 am

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Arvenia wrote:Fuck the Nazis! They are just wanting to form a Nazi state that would later take over Europe and conquer the non-white immigrants' home countries.

Undoubtedly, some neo-Nazis have joined these manifestations but most people protesting are not Nazis.


All nazis support this movement, but not all of this movement is nazi. Yet, that all most of nazis support this movement, it should be enough to at least feel reluctant to it.
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Postby Shilya » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:27 am

Martean wrote:I have no clue why in countries that are much better off than us, such as France, Norway, Denmark, the UK or Germany anti-immigrant sentiments are on the rise, while in one of the countries hit the most by the crisis, they aren't.


a) Take a look at Greece, will ya?
b) Franco is likely still in reasonably fresh memory.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:15 am

Martean wrote:I have no clue why in countries that are much better off than us, such as France, Norway, Denmark, the UK or Germany anti-immigrant sentiments are on the rise, while in one of the countries hit the most by the crisis, they aren't.


In said countries muslims are overrepresented in crime statistics; which is the main reason for the dislike (let us be honest: most people could not care less about a few terrorists murdering people in villages a few 1000 km away .. they care about the jerk that is most likely to steal their purse).

Maybe there is simply less to steal in your country.. or people steal more equally ?
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Postby Laerod » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:25 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Martean wrote:I have no clue why in countries that are much better off than us, such as France, Norway, Denmark, the UK or Germany anti-immigrant sentiments are on the rise, while in one of the countries hit the most by the crisis, they aren't.


In said countries muslims are overrepresented in crime statistics; which is the main reason for the dislike (let us be honest: most people could not care less about a few terrorists murdering people in villages a few 1000 km away .. they care about the jerk that is most likely to steal their purse).

Maybe there is simply less to steal in your country.. or people steal more equally ?

Not if you adjust for poverty levels.

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Postby Southern Hampshire » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:52 am

Laerod wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
In said countries muslims are overrepresented in crime statistics; which is the main reason for the dislike (let us be honest: most people could not care less about a few terrorists murdering people in villages a few 1000 km away .. they care about the jerk that is most likely to steal their purse).

Maybe there is simply less to steal in your country.. or people steal more equally ?

Not if you adjust for poverty levels.


Lol yeah lets give muslims free money so they don't commit crime. Good one.

Most discriminatory anti-discrimination policy in the history of Man.
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Postby Laerod » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:56 am

Southern Hampshire wrote:
Laerod wrote:Not if you adjust for poverty levels.


Lol yeah lets give muslims free money so they don't commit crime. Good one.

Most discriminatory anti-discrimination policy in the history of Man.

In what fantasy world do you live in?

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Postby Arvenia » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:03 am

I have ten things to tell about the future of Europe.
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2. Catalonia might start an armed conflict against Spain in 2016.
3. The Golden Dawn might start a Nazi revolution in Greece in either this year, 2016, 2018 or after 2018.
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5. Russia might declare war on Sweden if the pressure becomes more worser and dangerous by this year, 2016, 2018 or after 2018.
6. Northern Ireland might fall into the hands of Ireland by 2016.
7. Kaliningrad Oblast might declare independence from Russia by the 2020s.
8. Ukraine might get annexed by Russia by this year or after this year.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:07 am

Martean wrote:Europe is getting full of ebul muzlimz

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Or maybe it's us, that have a distorsioned perception of the number of muslims we really have


Btw, a far-right Spanish political party has tried to make huge, national PEGIDA-like demonstration throughout Spain, in most cities the protest was directly banned, although in some cities it wasn't and the affluence didn't reach more than 5 people in most of the cities, and in some places no one went. I guess Spain is diferent.


What happened to our muslims? :blink:
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Postby Baltenstein » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:12 am

Arvenia wrote:I have ten things to tell about the future of Europe.
1. After losing every independence referendum against the UK, Scotland would decide to rebel violently against the UK in 2018 if Scotland loses in the next referendum.
2. Catalonia might start an armed conflict against Spain in 2016.
3. The Golden Dawn might start a Nazi revolution in Greece in either this year, 2016, 2018 or after 2018.
4. Tayyip Erdogan might turn Turkey into a totalitarian dictatorship, committing genocide against Kurds, plan invasion of Europe and install the sharia law by this year or after this year.
5. Russia might declare war on Sweden if the pressure becomes more worser and dangerous by this year, 2016, 2018 or after 2018.
6. Northern Ireland might fall into the hands of Ireland by 2016.
7. Kaliningrad Oblast might declare independence from Russia by the 2020s.
8. Ukraine might get annexed by Russia by this year or after this year.
9. Sweden might fall into anarchy by this year or after this year.
10. Once the whole Europe joins the EU, the EU would remove it's member-states' sovereignty in favor of an unified nation after 2015.


The complete insanity of your "predictions" aside, I like how you specifically excluded the year 2017 from all of these events, as this will apparently be a year where everybody just chills.
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:13 am

Herrebrugh wrote:What happened to our muslims? :blink:

Dutchlands were neglected. :P
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