'PEGIDA' Anti-Islam protests

[Imperializt Russia]

It is. It's about racist morons in Europe, and by extension why racist morons are moronic.

Islam is not a race.

When has that stopped anyone before?

[Olerand]

Islam is not a race.

When has that stopped anyone before?

From? Being racist to the race of Islam? Always.

[Imperializt Russia]

When has that stopped anyone before?

From? Being racist to the race of Islam? Always.

You say that, yet PEGIDA exists.

There is no meaningful existence between "islamophobia" and "racism", unless you'd like to tell me one, besides "Islam isn't a race" and "the words are different"?

[Olerand]

From? Being racist to the race of Islam? Always.

You say that, yet PEGIDA exists.

There is no meaningful existence between "islamophobia" and "racism", unless you'd like to tell me one, besides "Islam isn't a race" and "the words are different"?

One cannot be racist towards non-races? One cannot be racist towards Catholics, Hinduism, or Arianism. Muslims are of varying races. Not one.

[Imperializt Russia]

That's just a rehash of "Islam isn't a race".

Racism is the belief that people of a certain race are worse than you because they're not your race. They're different.
That's basically as close as "islamophobes" come to making a coherent argument against "Islam", so I feel more than justified in calling it "racism".

[Southern Hampshire]

When was the last abortion Clinic bombed? 2012, When was the last Muslim terror attack? That would be yesterday. Though honestly what happens by christians has nothing to do with what happens with muslims, neither act of terror rationalizes the other.

In America, the last vaguely "Islamic" terror attack happened at the end of October, with a Conservative terror attack occurring one month later, ie, more recently.
The four previous attacks, according to this list, were anti-government assaults and definitely unrelated to Islamic teachings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#2010.E2.80.93present

Yeah because America has so many muslims.

If it had as many as Belgium, France or UK in proportion to their own population I'm sure there'd be more terrorism.

[Imperializt Russia]

In America, the last vaguely "Islamic" terror attack happened at the end of October, with a Conservative terror attack occurring one month later, ie, more recently.
The four previous attacks, according to this list, were anti-government assaults and definitely unrelated to Islamic teachings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#2010.E2.80.93present

Yeah because America has so many muslims.

If it had as many as Belgium, France or UK in proportion to their own population I'm sure there'd be more terrorism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_te ... at_Britain
The Irish would like a word, I'm sure.

[Edgy Opinions]

One cannot be racist towards non-races?

One can be racist against their culture, their language, their accent, their nationality, their religion, other symbols of their existence versus Ours, and even their freeloader status in government services. You know that very well.

[Ethel mermania]

One cannot be racist towards non-races?

One can be racist against their culture, their language, their accent, their nationality, their religion, other symbols of their existence versus Ours, and even their freeloader status in government services. You know that very well.

That's why islamaphobe is a better word. Racist is to general.

[Laerod]

Double standard is double. If you want to argue that these terror attacks are a product of islam then conversely the Republican party and its members are equally culpable for murders committed in the name of their so-called "family values". You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

1. The volume is incomparable. AGAIN the last abortion Clinic was bombed in 2012. How many died? 0. When is the last Muslim attack, that would be yesterday. How many died?

2. This thread is about islamaphobia, not christians. Wanna talk about evil xtians, start a thread.

1. So how few people have to die during islamic terror for it to be sufficiently negligible?
2. I've only been mentioning conservative Americans and Republicans, and then only to underline how utterly hypocritical the argument is that this act is representative of European muslims while right-wing terror aligned with the American right is somehow not representative of the American right.

[Laerod]

It is. It's about racist morons in Europe, and by extension why racist morons are moronic.

Islam is not a race.

Islamophobia and related activity, criminal or otherwise, is still motivated primarily by phenotypical criteria, hence why you saw Sikhs get harassed in the US. Islamophobia is primarily about the "other" and the "different looking".

[Olerand]

One cannot be racist towards non-races?

One can be racist against their culture, their language, their accent, their nationality, their religion, other symbols of their existence versus Ours, and even their freeloader status in government services. You know that very well.

And that's not racism. Racism is clear on what it concerns. It's in the name. It's not a word that can be thrown around at a whim, like how some on the left throw out the label fascist.

[Imperializt Russia]

One can be racist against their culture, their language, their accent, their nationality, their religion, other symbols of their existence versus Ours, and even their freeloader status in government services. You know that very well.

And that's not racism. Racism is clear on what it concerns. It's in the name. It's not a word that can be thrown around at a whim, like how some on the left throw out the label fascist.

The discussion is presently about Islamic immigrants, whereby racism is still perfectly acceptable a term to "throw around" here.

[Olerand]

And that's not racism. Racism is clear on what it concerns. It's in the name. It's not a word that can be thrown around at a whim, like how some on the left throw out the label fascist.

The discussion is presently about Islamic immigrants, whereby racism is still perfectly acceptable a term to "throw around" here.

Are Pakistanis(dominant group in Britain), Algerians(in France), and Turks(in Germany) all of the same race? I think they would, strongly, disagree.

[Edgy Opinions]

The discussion is presently about Islamic immigrants, whereby racism is still perfectly acceptable a term to "throw around" here.

Are Pakistanis(dominant group in Britain), Algerians(in France), and Turks(in Germany) all of the same race? I think they would, strongly, disagree.

They are similarly regarded as non-Europeans in a land where they don't belong.

[Olerand]

Are Pakistanis(dominant group in Britain), Algerians(in France), and Turks(in Germany) all of the same race? I think they would, strongly, disagree.

They are similarly regarded as non-Europeans in a land where they don't belong.

Is the criticism of these groups in Europe based on their race, or their religion?

[Imperializt Russia]

The discussion is presently about Islamic immigrants, whereby racism is still perfectly acceptable a term to "throw around" here.

Are Pakistanis(dominant group in Britain), Algerians(in France), and Turks(in Germany) all of the same race? I think they would, strongly, disagree.

Racism is about the belief that one race is superior to others.
It doesn't matter that these people are of different races, they're different and they're outsiders and they're all equally worse.

Still completely unsure why you're arguing this complete inconsequentiality.

[Laerod]

They are similarly regarded as non-Europeans in a land where they don't belong.

Is the criticism of these groups in Europe based on their race, or their religion?

From what I've seen it's the former under the guise of the latter.

[Teemant]

The discussion is presently about Islamic immigrants, whereby racism is still perfectly acceptable a term to "throw around" here.

Are Pakistanis(dominant group in Britain), Algerians(in France), and Turks(in Germany) all of the same race? I think they would, strongly, disagree.

Blaming everyone of racism is just cool hipster thing in todays society. They will go out and look with loupe for every single clue to accuse someone of racism.

[Imperializt Russia]

They are similarly regarded as non-Europeans in a land where they don't belong.

Is the criticism of these groups in Europe based on their race, or their religion?

What difference would it make?

It's the same arguments with a superficial veneer.

[Olerand]

Are Pakistanis(dominant group in Britain), Algerians(in France), and Turks(in Germany) all of the same race? I think they would, strongly, disagree.

Racism is about the belief that one race is superior to others.
It doesn't matter that these people are of different races, they're different and they're outsiders and they're all equally worse.

Still completely unsure why you're arguing this complete inconsequentiality.

Because the criticism of these groups because of their religious beliefs cannot be considered racism. Racism is about race, it's in the name. The only common tie all these groups hold, is their religious affiliation. Racism is about race. Turks are White. Algerians are North African, dark Whites, and Pakistanis are South Asian. All are Muslim. Islam is not a race.

[Olerand]

Is the criticism of these groups in Europe based on their race, or their religion?

From what I've seen it's the former under the guise of the latter.

Oh really? And I thought Algerians, arguably to some, and Turks, most definitely to all, were White.

[Teemant]

From what I've seen it's the former under the guise of the latter.

Oh really? And I thought Algerians, arguably to some, and Turks, most definitely to all, were White.

Religion changes everything as it seems. Religion can make white man black and the other way around.

[Laerod]

From what I've seen it's the former under the guise of the latter.

Oh really? And I thought Algerians, arguably to some, and Turks, most definitely to all, were White.

I hear definite racists such as the NPD argue differently.

[Olerand]

Oh really? And I thought Algerians, arguably to some, and Turks, most definitely to all, were White.

I hear definite racists such as the NPD argue differently.

And yet, no one involved in the discussion here is of the NPD. Neither is the leadership, as much as there is one, of PEGIDA.
Some of its members certainly are, however.