'PEGIDA' Anti-Islam protests

[Geilinor]

Lol

well i suppose if you believe jesus is god then sure why not, point still stands that islam is far more violent since their prophet was much more violent.

the islamic world is an intolerant and violent place and the fact that people can't see this is why we have these shootings and bombings. I don't like christianity or islam, but last I checked christianity didn't have armies at it's beck and call.

Most Christians do believe in the trinity, so your point has been disproven.

[North Calaveras]

Quote me.

"If Free speech in Islamic means fucking up anything that collaborates with Jews and rioting causing thousands of pounds of damage and destroying livelihoods, then yes, suppress their dking 'free speech'"

this quote is misleading, because hes not threatening free speech hes threating rioting and causing damage, read what he said wolf.

[North Calaveras]

well i suppose if you believe jesus is god then sure why not, point still stands that islam is far more violent since their prophet was much more violent.

the islamic world is an intolerant and violent place and the fact that people can't see this is why we have these shootings and bombings. I don't like christianity or islam, but last I checked christianity didn't have armies at it's beck and call.

Most Christians do believe in the trinity, so your point has been disproven.

fact remains that islamic extremiss still dwarfs christian extremism, so no nothing changes, even if all christians wanted to burn heretics still these are mere words not actual threats. Islamists are still the most violent. Is what is it, and what is it is Islam.

[The Wolven League]

"If Free speech in Islamic means fucking up anything that collaborates with Jews and rioting causing thousands of pounds of damage and destroying livelihoods, then yes, suppress their dking 'free speech'"

this quote is misleading, because hes not threatening free speech hes threating rioting and causing damage, read what he said wolf.

He quite clearly is saying that free speech for Muslims is like destroying Jews, which is absouletly dumb.

[North Calaveras]

this quote is misleading, because hes not threatening free speech hes threating rioting and causing damage, read what he said wolf.

He quite clearly is saying that free speech for Muslims is like destroying Jews, which is absouletly dumb.

bro...

he is saying " If freech speach means destroying things then they shouldn't have free speech"

if free speech entails destruction then no "free speech" as it were.

[Earl of Sandwich IV]

whos to say what is and isn't out of context?

Religious scholars that actually know what they're fucking talking about.

As opposed to extremist Muslims, which are tantamount to people like the WBC and Timothy McVeigh.

Hate to disappoint you, Ahmadis are not mainstream muslims. Most Muslims don't even accept them as Muslims. So much for your 'religious scholars who know what they're talking about'. The reality is, people like you just look for 'scholars' to confirm your believes about Islam.

[Eastern Equestria]

Religious scholars that actually know what they're fucking talking about.

As opposed to extremist Muslims, which are tantamount to people like the WBC and Timothy McVeigh.

Hate to disappoint you, Ahmadis are not mainstream muslims. Most Muslims don't even accept them as Muslims. So much for your 'religious scholars who know what they're talking about'. The reality is, people like you just look for 'scholars' to confirm your believes about Islam.

In reality, Ahmadis and orthodox Muslims don't dispute on this issue.

[Earl of Sandwich IV]

Hate to disappoint you, Ahmadis are not mainstream muslims. Most Muslims don't even accept them as Muslims. So much for your 'religious scholars who know what they're talking about'. The reality is, people like you just look for 'scholars' to confirm your believes about Islam.

In reality, Ahmadis and orthodox Muslims don't dispute on this issue.

No one said they did, it's just funny that you brought up 'religious scholars who know what they're talking about' and then linked to an ahmadi website.

[Geilinor]

Hate to disappoint you, Ahmadis are not mainstream muslims. Most Muslims don't even accept them as Muslims. So much for your 'religious scholars who know what they're talking about'. The reality is, people like you just look for 'scholars' to confirm your believes about Islam.

In reality, Ahmadis and orthodox Muslims don't dispute on this issue.

How extremists justify themselves is by declaring all non-Muslims the aggressors.

[Earl of Sandwich IV]

In reality, Ahmadis and orthodox Muslims don't dispute on this issue.

How extremists justify themselves is by declaring all non-Muslims the aggressors.

Exactly, even the nazi made the point that they're merely defending themselves. It means nothing.

[Geilinor]

How extremists justify themselves is by declaring all non-Muslims the aggressors.

Exactly, even the nazi made the point that they're merely defending themselves. It means nothing.

That's not what I was saying. Muslims are not Nazis, but the verses have been interpreted that way by extremists.

[Eastern Equestria]

In reality, Ahmadis and orthodox Muslims don't dispute on this issue.

No one said they did, it's just funny that you brought up 'religious scholars who know what they're talking about' and then linked to an ahmadi website.

Ahmadi scholars and orthodox scholars are equal in their interpretation of those portions of the Quran, so that's a totally irrelevant (not to mention insulting to an entire religious sect) observation to make.

[Gauthier]

Anders Behring Brievik killed 89 people despite growing up in Norway, which is not an intolerant or violent place.

are anders ideals also supported by world governments and various terrorist organizations? Does he have a large following?

Given that Breivik killed those people to fight the "Islamization" of Norway, Yes.

[Saiwania]

Given that Breivik killed those people to fight the "Islamization" of Norway, Yes.

I have Anders Behring Breivik's manifesto saved to my hard drive, but it is so lengthy that I don't have the time to read the full .pdf
But I do try to read a section of it each day. I think Anders brings up a lot of good points but some of it has me confused. Nevertheless, I think he is a genius who is projecting what Europe will actually be like in 2083 if the current demographic trends as it pertains to Europe continue on uninterrupted. His fears of Eurabia are not unwarranted. His actions however, harmed rather than helped his agenda.

[Geilinor]

Given that Breivik killed those people to fight the "Islamization" of Norway, Yes.

I have Anders Behring Breivik's manifesto saved to my hard drive, but it is so lengthy that I don't have the time to read the full .pdf
But I do try to read a section of it each day. I think Anders brings up a lot of good points but some of it has me confused. Nevertheless, I think he is a genius who is projecting what Europe will actually be like in 2083 if the current demographic trends as it pertains to Europe continue on uninterrupted. His fears of Eurabia are not unwarranted.

You think a mass murderer who shot over 80 children is a genius?

[Saiwania]

You think a mass murderer who shot over 80 children is a genius?

I'm just very easily impressed, while Anders wasn't smart in doing what he did, I think he might've had a gift for writing and political analysis of what is going on with his country because of Muslim immigration. There are plenty of people described as "evil" who are gifted in certain areas.

For example, Adolf Hitler was a moron in military strategy but his oratory is unrivaled in all of politics. You can't find a politician hardly anywhere in the world now, that gives speeches that are as captivating. He did as Obama done at his peak in 2008, without the benefit of a teleprompter.

[The Alma Mater]

You think a mass murderer who shot over 80 children is a genius?

I'm just very easily impressed, while Anders wasn't smart in doing what he did, I think he might've had a gift for writing and political analysis of what is going on with his country because of Muslim immigration. There are plenty of people described as "evil" who are gifted in certain areas.

You do realise that his statistics are based on flawed data ? He never bothered to check if his basic figures were correct in the whole decade he devised his plan...

[Geilinor]

I'm just very easily impressed, while Anders wasn't smart in doing what he did, I think he might've had a gift for writing and political analysis of what is going on with his country because of Muslim immigration. There are plenty of people described as "evil" who are gifted in certain areas.

You do realise that his statistics are based on flawed data ? He never bothered to check if his basic figures were correct in the whole decade he devised his plan...

Even if he did check his figures, such long-term predictions are likely going to be incorrect.

[Southern Hampshire]

"If Free speech in Islamic means fucking up anything that collaborates with Jews and rioting causing thousands of pounds of damage and destroying livelihoods, then yes, suppress their dking 'free speech'"

this quote is misleading, because hes not threatening free speech hes threating rioting and causing damage, read what he said wolf.

Thanks.

But don't expect them to understand English and not paraphrase people they don't agree with, thats too mainstream.

In other news, a newspaper office in Hamburg which re-printed the Charlie Hebdo cartoon was semi-destroyed in an arson attack.

Hmm I wonder who the attack was by

[Laerod]

Because clearly PEGIDA has also rallied against Jewish, Indian and Asian immigration.

It should be fucking obvious that PEGIDA only stands in protest of Muslim immigration when their organization's name literally stands for "Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamization of the West".

Except that PEGIDA does not only stand in protest of Muslim immigration as per their own words. In particular, they've also been railing against asylum-seekers. So let's not lie, ok?

That is not what they are doing. The protestors are against 'the islamisation of society.' They aren't against muslim people.

Have you been paying any attention to what people supporting PEGIDA have been saying in this very thread?

ive brought it up that it's the ideology that's a problem, the way their religion is ran opposses freedom. Regardless of how "nice" a few politicans are.

This sounds like a testable hypothesis. Please provide evidence so that it may be reviewed.

I have Anders Behring Breivik's manifesto saved to my hard drive, but it is so lengthy that I don't have the time to read the full .pdf
But I do try to read a section of it each day. I think Anders brings up a lot of good points but some of it has me confused. Nevertheless, I think he is a genius who is projecting what Europe will actually be like in 2083 if the current demographic trends as it pertains to Europe continue on uninterrupted. His fears of Eurabia are not unwarranted. His actions however, harmed rather than helped his agenda.

If you find yourself considering a child murderer a genius, then it's probably time to rethink your life.

[The Alma Mater]

If you find yourself considering a child murderer a genius, then it's probably time to rethink your life.

About 50% of the worlds population worships a child murderer as their god. What should they do.. listen to Pegida ?

[Southern Hampshire]

Have you been paying any attention to what people supporting PEGIDA have been saying in this very thread?
.

Congratulations on your award for Hypocrite of the Month.

So 0.005% of PEGIDA supporters represent PEGIDA, but 0.005% of Muslims do not represent Islam?
Hahaha.

Going by your beliefs if those 0.005% represented the rest there would be a massive religious riot in Europe anyway.

[Laerod]

Have you been paying any attention to what people supporting PEGIDA have been saying in this very thread?
.

Congratulations on your award for Hypocrite of the Month.

So 0.005% of PEGIDA supporters represent PEGIDA, but 0.005% of Muslims do not represent Islam?
Hahaha.

Going by your beliefs if those 0.005% represented the rest there would be a massive religious riot in Europe anyway.

Oddly enough, a political movement is far more homogenous in motivation than an entire religion. Kind of how hate preachers are often representative of Salafism rather than Islam as a whole.

Aside from which, my position is also based on statements by the protesters themselves*:

How does the islamization make itself felt for you?
"Just on monday they arrested 40 North Africans selling drugs at the Central Station. Police were attacked with broken bottles. We don't want this kind of culture here." (~4:30)

What do you want to achieve here?
"That I'm against foreigners, that not so many of them come here. They get heaps of money and a pensioner like me gets very little and has to work to get more. And them? They're all young men and they don't even want to work." (~8:30)
There's only 0,2% Muslims in Saxony.
"I don't care how many there are. That's already 0,2 too many." (~9:20)

"You must be interested as to why I'm here. I'm hoping that after a few decades the foundational pillars of German culture still exist in Germany." (~13:00)

And that's about as far as I can go given the limitations of the computer I'm using. Same shit that people here have been saying. So yeah: representative. QED.

*First three and a half minutes can be skipped, as the first three consist of an idiot reporter from RTL pretending to be a protester and the half minute after is footage of the crowd standing around.

[Imperializt Russia]

Turkish roots don't make them non-German. They want to be German, but it might not be your picture of a German.

Look, I talked to many of them. From all conversations they first indentify as Turks/Arabs/Africans than as rest. I wish it could be different but that is the reality. One day they will make up about 15% of Germanys population and Germany will experiance the same as Paris yesterday.

France doesn't have those populations figures, nor is a large-scale terrorist incident anything to do with the local muslim population's size.

[Eastern Equestria]

It should be fucking obvious that PEGIDA only stands in protest of Muslim immigration when their organization's name literally stands for "Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamization of the West".

Except that PEGIDA does not only stand in protest of Muslim immigration as per their own words. In particular, they've also been railing against asylum-seekers. So let's not lie, ok?

No, you misunderstood the point I made, which was that the only immigration PEGIDA protests is that of the Muslim variety. Nothing in your source disputes that. All it did was shoot down some of their other vapid claims.