'PEGIDA' Anti-Islam protests

[Gauthier]

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at least tehy can protest, if this were an islamic country there would be no protest.

You know what, this is an important point. If the current Islamization of society is going the way it is, we WON'T be able to protest at all, much like their homeland and sharia law.

Precisely what I fear.

It's amusing how many people sincerely believe that if the Muslims aren't driven out of Germany the Reichstag will sprout minarets and transform into a giant mosque.

[North Calaveras]

:idea:

You know what, this is an important point. If the current Islamization of society is going the way it is, we WON'T be able to protest at all, much like their homeland and sharia law.

Precisely what I fear.

And, what percentage of Muslims want protests banned? Have you personally met any Muslims that want protests banned?

well as long as they are not in power nobody would want them banned, but as soon as they had power, well that's a differen't story as shariah law would likley come into effect in one way or another.

i mean if i were a nazi i would hate to not be able to protest, but sure as shit if i was in power I would crush any dissent.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

And, what percentage of Muslims want protests banned? Have you personally met any Muslims that want protests banned?

well as long as they are not in power nobody would want them banned, but as soon as they had power, well that's a differen't story as shariah law would likley come into effect in one way or another.

i mean if i were a nazi i would hate to not be able to protest, but sure as shit if i was in power I would crush any dissent.

Why do you believe that? Plenty of Muslims hold seats in national parliaments in Europe, and they're advocating freedom of expression and democracy. I fail to see why you think they'd try to implement Sharia.

[Gauthier]

well as long as they are not in power nobody would want them banned, but as soon as they had power, well that's a differen't story as shariah law would likley come into effect in one way or another.

i mean if i were a nazi i would hate to not be able to protest, but sure as shit if i was in power I would crush any dissent.

Why do you believe that? Plenty of Muslims hold seats in national parliaments in Europe, and they're advocating freedom of expression and democracy. I fail to see why you think they'd try to implement Sharia.

Because Islam is genetic, silly.

[Southern Hampshire]

:idea:

You know what, this is an important point. If the current Islamization of society is going the way it is, we WON'T be able to protest at all, much like their homeland and sharia law.

Precisely what I fear.

And, what percentage of Muslims want protests banned? Have you personally met any Muslims that want protests banned?

Percentage of muslims? I don't know, but any number above 1% is too much. Personally? Yes I have and the guy was a hypocritical dick (at a Sharia Law for UK rally)

As Christianity became less religious it became more tolerant, open, scientifically and economically advanced. If we are not prepared to reform Islam in the West and force them to integrate, it will forever be a religion with extremist susceptibility.

[Calimera II]

:idea:

You know what, this is an important point. If the current Islamization of society is going the way it is, we WON'T be able to protest at all, much like their homeland and sharia law.

Precisely what I fear.

It's amusing how many people sincerely believe that if the Muslims aren't driven out of Germany the Reichstag will sprout minarets and transform into a giant mosque.

Who did claim that?

[Gauthier]

It's amusing how many people sincerely believe that if the Muslims aren't driven out of Germany the Reichstag will sprout minarets and transform into a giant mosque.

Who did claim that?

Did I say anybody in this forum claimed that?

[North Calaveras]

well as long as they are not in power nobody would want them banned, but as soon as they had power, well that's a differen't story as shariah law would likley come into effect in one way or another.

i mean if i were a nazi i would hate to not be able to protest, but sure as shit if i was in power I would crush any dissent.

Why do you believe that? Plenty of Muslims hold seats in national parliaments in Europe, and they're advocating freedom of expression and democracy. I fail to see why you think they'd try to implement Sharia.

fascist groups hold seats as well.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

And, what percentage of Muslims want protests banned? Have you personally met any Muslims that want protests banned?

Percentage of muslims? I don't know, but any number above 1% is too much. Personally? Yes I have and the guy was a hypocritical dick (at a Sharia Law for UK rally)

As Christianity became less religious it became more tolerant, open, scientifically and expnomically advanced. If we are not prepared ro reform Islam in the West and force them to integrate, it will forever be a religion with extremist susceptibility.

I'd argue that over 1% of Christians probably want a theocracy. By your logic, we should deport all Christians.

And, Christianity doesn't have extremist susceptibility? What? Furthermore, have you ever considered the fact that many Muslims try to escape extremism when they immigrate to Europe?

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Why do you believe that? Plenty of Muslims hold seats in national parliaments in Europe, and they're advocating freedom of expression and democracy. I fail to see why you think they'd try to implement Sharia.

fascist groups hold seats as well.

.....That are opposed to Islam. There are no Islamic fascist parties with seats....there are Christian fascist parties however. Jobbik comes to mind.

[Calimera II]

Who did claim that?

Did I say anybody in this forum claimed that?

You quote people and then comment something bad about some people that belong to the group your "opponent" is defending. Why quoting people then?

[Gauthier]

Did I say anybody in this forum claimed that?

You quote people and then comment something bad about the some people that belong to the group your "opponent" is defending. Why quoting people then?

Is there a forum rule that states you can only quote someone if you're directly addressing their quote?

[North Calaveras]

fascist groups hold seats as well.

.....That are opposed to Islam. There are no Islamic fascist parties with seats....there are Christian fascist parties however. Jobbik comes to mind.

point i was trying to make was that groups who hate the ideals of personal freedom usually are all for protests until they come into power. These groups have an advantage in our nations because they are tolerated and any kind of aggression is pushed aside as fringe.

[Calimera II]

You quote people and then comment something bad about the some people that belong to the group your "opponent" is defending. Why quoting people then?

Is there a forum rule that states you can only quote someone if you're directly addressing their quote?

You "hide" offensive remarks aimed at angering others. But that's off topic, I am done here.

[Geilinor]

You quote people and then comment something bad about the some people that belong to the group your "opponent" is defending. Why quoting people then?

Is there a forum rule that states you can only quote someone if you're directly addressing their quote?

That's why you quote people! Addressing the quote is the point.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

.....That are opposed to Islam. There are no Islamic fascist parties with seats....there are Christian fascist parties however. Jobbik comes to mind.

point i was trying to make was that groups who hate the ideals of personal freedom usually are all for protests until they come into power. These groups have an advantage in our nations because they are tolerated and any kind of aggression is pushed aside as fringe.

Alright. Islamic political parties don't hold seats in West Europe. Most Islamist politicians are part of democratic, free parties. Your point is absolute shit.

[Southern Hampshire]

Percentage of muslims? I don't know, but any number above 1% is too much. Personally? Yes I have and the guy was a hypocritical dick (at a Sharia Law for UK rally)

As Christianity became less religious it became more tolerant, open, scientifically and expnomically advanced. If we are not prepared ro reform Islam in the West and force them to integrate, it will forever be a religion with extremist susceptibility.

I'd argue that over 1% of Christians probably want a theocracy. By your logic, we should deport all Christians.

And, Christianity doesn't have extremist susceptibility? What? Furthermore, have you ever considered the fact that many Muslims try to escape extremism when they immigrate to Europe?

Escaping extremism by bringing it over here? sounds more like colonialism. 1% of Christians in the West want a theocracy? heavily doubtful. Even then I am in no way condoning Christian extremism or lack of integration, it's almost as bad as it's Islamic counterpart

[North Calaveras]

point i was trying to make was that groups who hate the ideals of personal freedom usually are all for protests until they come into power. These groups have an advantage in our nations because they are tolerated and any kind of aggression is pushed aside as fringe.

Alright. Islamic political parties don't hold seats in West Europe. Most Islamist politicians are part of democratic, free parties. Your point is absolute shit.

im sorry you feel that way but you are entitled to your opinion.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Alright. Islamic political parties don't hold seats in West Europe. Most Islamist politicians are part of democratic, free parties. Your point is absolute shit.

im sorry you feel that way but you are entitled to your opinion.

Don't see why you're apologizing. Especially when you should be debated. Don't cop out of the debate with the whole "well, that's your opinion" malarkey. Until you can show me that there is a legitimate threat posed to free speech because of Islam, the discussion will continue.

[The Wolven League]

Are we really that primitive that we still have people hating on other religions because they are a different faith?

The world has never left the medieval era, it seems.

[North Calaveras]

im sorry you feel that way but you are entitled to your opinion.

Don't see why you're apologizing. Especially when you should be debated. Don't cop out of the debate with the whole "well, that's your opinion" malarkey. Until you can show me that there is a legitimate threat posed to free speech because of Islam, the discussion will continue.

ive brought it up that it's the ideology that's a problem, the way their religion is ran opposses freedom. Regardless of how "nice" a few politicans are.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

I'd argue that over 1% of Christians probably want a theocracy. By your logic, we should deport all Christians.

And, Christianity doesn't have extremist susceptibility? What? Furthermore, have you ever considered the fact that many Muslims try to escape extremism when they immigrate to Europe?

Escaping extremism by bringing it over here? sounds more like colonialism. 1% of Christians in the West want a theocracy? heavily doubtful. Even then I am in no way condoning Christian extremism or lack of integration, it's almost as bad as it's Islamic counterpart

You're right, it's 34%

Furthermore, if Christian extremism is bad, what makes it less bad than Islamic extremism? Is loss of life caused by radical Christianity better than loss of life caused by radical Islam?

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Don't see why you're apologizing. Especially when you should be debated. Don't cop out of the debate with the whole "well, that's your opinion" malarkey. Until you can show me that there is a legitimate threat posed to free speech because of Islam, the discussion will continue.

ive brought it up that it's the ideology that's a problem, the way their religion is ran opposses freedom. Regardless of how "nice" a few politicans are.

Where's the threat to free speech?

[North Calaveras]

Escaping extremism by bringing it over here? sounds more like colonialism. 1% of Christians in the West want a theocracy? heavily doubtful. Even then I am in no way condoning Christian extremism or lack of integration, it's almost as bad as it's Islamic counterpart

You're right, it's 34%

Furthermore, if Christian extremism is bad, what makes it less bad than Islamic extremism? Is loss of life caused by radical Christianity better than loss of life caused by radical Islam?

the death tolls on both sides are drastically differne't, i mean really it's ridiculous. Niether are better but islam is by far worse perpetrator, especially in the modern era.

[Lakimina]

Escaping extremism by bringing it over here? sounds more like colonialism. 1% of Christians in the West want a theocracy? heavily doubtful. Even then I am in no way condoning Christian extremism or lack of integration, it's almost as bad as it's Islamic counterpart

You're right, it's 34%

Furthermore, if Christian extremism is bad, what makes it less bad than Islamic extremism? Is loss of life caused by radical Christianity better than loss of life caused by radical Islam?

Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.