'PEGIDA' Anti-Islam protests

[Calimera II]

So.. it seems that PEGIDA is spreading to Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway and France. Tomorrow there will be a PEGIDA protest in Oslo, Norway.

[Kantona]

This is precisely the problem. You're afraid of imaginary things. The Germany in which asylum seekers have rights even remotely approaching those of German citizens does not exist.

You are behaving like an uneducated person once more and start with ad hominen.
The truth is that they have a right on social housing, welfare and a par hundred euros Taschengeld. I might be wrong but than source evidence.

Your English verges on unintelligible at times. Your German, based on the limited sample, is somewhat better.

Ok, and you are confusing race and religion. Neither of what you stated and what I said are the topic of this thread.

Nah. I pointed out they're not supported by the people, contrary to what you claimed. Now that you've been disproven you're talking about how all that ever mattered was that there was a critical mass. It's a classic example of moving the goalposts.

As I exampled to you I never claimed that they have support from all of the people, only a small part. That is far more authenntich than the antifa Demos that are organised by parties. There is a difference if you decide to a protest because you believe in its goals and when you go there because you have to or see some benefits from it.

[Kantona]

So.. it seems that PEGIDA is spreading to Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway and France. Tomorrow there will be a PEGIDA protest in Oslo, Norway.

The revolution has started. PEGIDA was adressing to whole Europe and not just Germany and its goal is accomplished. It people from different countries start their own PEGIDA like in Austria it is turning into a Europe wide protests against the elites.

[Geilinor]

So.. it seems that PEGIDA is spreading to Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway and France. Tomorrow there will be a PEGIDA protest in Oslo, Norway.

The revolution has started. PEGIDA was adressing to whole Europe and not just Germany and its goal is accomplished. It people from different countries start their own PEGIDA like in Austria it is turning into a Europe wide protests against the elites.

This is not a revolution.

[Laerod]

This is precisely the problem. You're afraid of imaginary things. The Germany in which asylum seekers have rights even remotely approaching those of German citizens does not exist.

You are behaving like an uneducated person once more and start with ad hominen.
The truth is that they have a right on social housing, welfare and a par hundred euros Taschengeld. I might be wrong but than source evidence.

No right to work. None. Nada. That right there is a fairly major difference. Strict limitations on when they get to see a doctor. Often only in emergencies. And the idea that the social housing is something great melts away if you actually see some of it from the inside, and mind you I have.

Your English verges on unintelligible at times. Your German, based on the limited sample, is somewhat better.

Ok, and you are confusing race and religion. Neither of what you stated and what I said are the topic of this thread.

No, but I linked to an article that showed islamophobes do.

Nah. I pointed out they're not supported by the people, contrary to what you claimed. Now that you've been disproven you're talking about how all that ever mattered was that there was a critical mass. It's a classic example of moving the goalposts.

As I exampled to you I never claimed that they have support from all of the people, only a small part. That is far more authenntich than the antifa Demos that are organised by parties. There is a difference if you decide to a protest because you believe in its goals and when you go there because you have to or see some benefits from it.

You never specified that. In fact you juxtaposed "people" and "elites" implying that they were some kind of majority.

[Calimera II]

So.. it seems that PEGIDA is spreading to Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway and France. Tomorrow there will be a PEGIDA protest in Oslo, Norway.

The revolution has started. PEGIDA was adressing to whole Europe and not just Germany and its goal is accomplished. It people from different countries start their own PEGIDA like in Austria it is turning into a Europe wide protests against the elites.

If these protests last too long it will create way to much tension. That's the problem with this movement.

[Anglo-California]

So.. it seems that PEGIDA is spreading to Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway and France. Tomorrow there will be a PEGIDA protest in Oslo, Norway.

Awesome!

[North Calaveras]

The revolution has started. PEGIDA was adressing to whole Europe and not just Germany and its goal is accomplished. It people from different countries start their own PEGIDA like in Austria it is turning into a Europe wide protests against the elites.

If these protests last too long it will create way to much tension. That's the problem with this movement.

actually the problem is islamic extremism

you know how they say " Oh well your just creating more extremists by treating muslims this way"

well, it goes both ways and islam is creating a blacklash of it's own.

[Geilinor]

If these protests last too long it will create way to much tension. That's the problem with this movement.

actually the problem is islamic extremism

you know how they say " Oh well your just creating more extremists by treating muslims this way"

well, it goes both ways and islam is creating a blacklash of it's own.

A protest against all Muslims is not going to accomplish anything.

[North Calaveras]

actually the problem is islamic extremism

you know how they say " Oh well your just creating more extremists by treating muslims this way"

well, it goes both ways and islam is creating a blacklash of it's own.

A protest against all Muslims is not going to accomplish anything.

meh, that's not the point i was trying to make.

[Kantona]

No right to work. None. Nada. That right there is a fairly major difference. Strict limitations on when they get to see a doctor. Often only in emergencies. And the idea that the social housing is something great melts away if you actually see some of it from the inside, and mind you I have..

Source it, and even if that is true that still does not change the fact that they are receiving all the things I told and they could use it aswell to help themself. Something an average person is not able to use because of social pressure as well from law. Instead they are doing criminal things

Tell use Laerod, do you want to say you were doing the same with them and have they shared their hole with them?

No, but I linked to an article that showed islamophobes do.

I dont recall that. Bu guess what, I dislike all muslim radicals regardless of their race, sex and etnicity. For me Sven Lau, Peirre Vogel (or whatever his muslim name is now), thoose in Paris and asylum seekers are the same. The fact that most asylum seekers are muslims conservative is not pleasant.

[Calimera II]

So.. it seems that PEGIDA is spreading to Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway and France. Tomorrow there will be a PEGIDA protest in Oslo, Norway.

Awesome!

I am not sure whether awesome is the correct word, but I am happy that at least in The Netherlands people are giving a clear signal to the government that they are fed up with some problems. Tolerance isn't infinite: The Netherlands has traditionally been one of the most welcoming countries in the world for immigrants, with great government support and a supportive population. However, it seems that some groups (mostly consisting of Muslim people) don't want to integrate. I don't think it's very 'normal' to see Anti-Dutch Facebook pages with over 100k likes where they say that the terrorist attack in Paris was fake. I don't think it's very normal that the Jewish community in Amsterdam doesn't feel safe anymore. I don't think it's very normal that some are trying to destroy Dutch traditions like Black Pete. People who think this is normal are those who are intolerant. Tolerance has a limit.

For school I had to work in a 'black' neighbourhood at a school, teaching children how to read. And the children were so sweet and nice and it made me realise that they have the opportunity to become doctors, pilots, teachers etc. So I honestly think that the government should help these children even more. Some of their parents on the other hand were rude, completely ignored me and shouted at the teachers. Immigration also has a limit, I believe. Immigration should be controlled, otherwise the problems that are occurring at the moment, will keep occurring.

[Laerod]

No right to work. None. Nada. That right there is a fairly major difference. Strict limitations on when they get to see a doctor. Often only in emergencies. And the idea that the social housing is something great melts away if you actually see some of it from the inside, and mind you I have..

Source it,

Here's a picture gallery that describes some of the more drastic things:
1. Not allowed to leave the particular area they are in (with rare exceptions that may or may not be granted).
3. In case of accute sickness or pains, they're covered. In theory they're also allowed to go to routine examinations. (In practice this occasionally gets denied.)
4. Not allowed to work in the first 9 months of the application for asylum. Afterwards they might under certain conditions be allowed to work for never more than € 1.05 per hour. Except after finding a job, they have to check and make sure no German or EU citizen is capable of doing it.
5. Not allowed to move into a separate apartment until the application has been granted. Until then they get 7 m² to live and sleep in.
6. Committing crimes can result in the application being denied, though the caveat here is that leaving town or making an error when filling out applications counts as a crime.
8. School children get € 100 spread out over the school year to pay for school items. They do not get the € 10 per month that children of welfare recipients get so that they can send them to sports or activities.

and even if that is true that still does not change the fact that they are receiving all the things I told

Moving the goalposts again? You said it was unfair they had the same rights as taxpaying citizens. A claim that was complete and utter bullshit.

and they could use it aswell to help themself. Something an average person is not able to use because of social pressure as well from law.

Absolute nonsense.

Instead they are doing criminal things

What kind of signal does it send if working to earn money to buy something is just as illegal as stealing it? Huh?

Tell use Laerod, do you want to say you were doing the same with them and have they shared their hole with them?

In English please.

No, but I linked to an article that showed islamophobes do.

I dont recall that.

I've noticed.

[Gauthier]

Awesome!

I am not sure whether awesome is the correct word, but I am happy that at least in The Netherlands people are giving a clear signal to the government that they are fed up with some problems. Tolerance isn't infinite: The Netherlands has traditionally been one of the most welcoming countries in the world for immigrants, with great government support and a supportive population. However, it seems that some groups (mostly consisting of Muslim people) don't want to integrate. I don't think it's very 'normal' to see Anti-Dutch Facebook pages with over 100k likes where they say that the terrorist attack in Paris was fake. I don't think it's very normal that the Jewish community in Amsterdam doesn't feel safe anymore. I don't think it's very normal that some are trying to destroy Dutch traditions like Black Pete. People who think this is normal are those who are intolerant. Tolerance has a limit.

For school I had to work in a 'black' neighbourhood at a school, teaching children how to read. And the children were so sweet and nice and it made me realise that they have the opportunity to become doctors, pilots, teachers etc. So I honestly think that the government should help these children even more. Some of their parents on the other hand were rude, completely ignored me and shouted at the teachers. Immigration also has a limit, I believe. Immigration should be controlled, otherwise the problems that are occurring at the moment, will keep occurring.

Clearly we can reduce or eliminate terrorist attacks entirely if we tell every single Muslim in the West that They Don't Belong Here and that they should go over to the Islamic State and join the Caliphate.

[Calimera II]

I am not sure whether awesome is the correct word, but I am happy that at least in The Netherlands people are giving a clear signal to the government that they are fed up with some problems. Tolerance isn't infinite: The Netherlands has traditionally been one of the most welcoming countries in the world for immigrants, with great government support and a supportive population. However, it seems that some groups (mostly consisting of Muslim people) don't want to integrate. I don't think it's very 'normal' to see Anti-Dutch Facebook pages with over 100k likes where they say that the terrorist attack in Paris was fake. I don't think it's very normal that the Jewish community in Amsterdam doesn't feel safe anymore. I don't think it's very normal that some are trying to destroy Dutch traditions like Black Pete. People who think this is normal are those who are intolerant. Tolerance has a limit.

For school I had to work in a 'black' neighbourhood at a school, teaching children how to read. And the children were so sweet and nice and it made me realise that they have the opportunity to become doctors, pilots, teachers etc. So I honestly think that the government should help these children even more. Some of their parents on the other hand were rude, completely ignored me and shouted at the teachers. Immigration also has a limit, I believe. Immigration should be controlled, otherwise the problems that are occurring at the moment, will keep occurring.

Clearly we can reduce or eliminate terrorist attacks entirely if we tell every single Muslim in the West that They Don't Belong Here and that they should go over to the Islamic State and join the Caliphate.

Those are your words not mine.

[Gauthier]

Clearly we can reduce or eliminate terrorist attacks entirely if we tell every single Muslim in the West that They Don't Belong Here and that they should go over to the Islamic State and join the Caliphate.

Those are your words not mine.

Still your sentiment.

[Calimera II]

Those are your words not mine.

Still your sentiment.

No. Stop bullshitting or don't bother quoting me.

[Gauthier]

Still your sentiment.

No. Stop bullshiting or don't bother quoting me.

I only quoted you to address my reply. The point being your enthusiasm for PEGIDA-like groups spreading through Europe is rooted in a desire to see Muslims deported en masse to the Middle East, probably towards the Islamic State.

[Calimera II]

No. Stop bullshiting or don't bother quoting me.

I only quoted you to address my reply. The point being your enthusiasm for PEGIDA-like groups spreading through Europe is rooted in a desire to see Muslims deported en masse to the Middle East, probably towards the Islamic State.

No

[Gauthier]

I only quoted you to address my reply. The point being your enthusiasm for PEGIDA-like groups spreading through Europe is rooted in a desire to see Muslims deported en masse to the Middle East, probably towards the Islamic State.

No

Please. The only immigration groups like PEGIDA have real gripes about are immigrations from Middle-Eastern/African nations that have Muslim majorities.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

So.. it seems that PEGIDA is spreading to Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway and France. Tomorrow there will be a PEGIDA protest in Oslo, Norway.

Norway's Islamic population is literally 2.5%. Such a protest would be futile and ludicrous.

[Gauthier]

So.. it seems that PEGIDA is spreading to Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway and France. Tomorrow there will be a PEGIDA protest in Oslo, Norway.

Norway's Islamic population is literally 2.5%. Such a protest would be futile and ludicrous.

And you'd think Norway would remember that Breivik went on a bombing and shooting spree because he didn't want Muslims immigrating there.

[Laerod]

So.. it seems that PEGIDA is spreading to Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway and France. Tomorrow there will be a PEGIDA protest in Oslo, Norway.

Norway's Islamic population is literally 2.5%. Such a protest would be futile and ludicrous.

There's more protesters in Dresden than there are muslims in the entire state. The amount clearly isn't the issue.

[Geilinor]

Clearly we can reduce or eliminate terrorist attacks entirely if we tell every single Muslim in the West that They Don't Belong Here and that they should go over to the Islamic State and join the Caliphate.

Extremism and resistance to people of other religions shouldn't be tolerated is all he said. The only thing I see you do in every thread is use boundless hyperbole and strawmen.

[Calimera II]

No

Please. The only immigration groups like PEGIDA have real gripes about are immigrations from Middle-Eastern/African nations that have Muslim majorities.

You should really stop putting words in other people's mouth. You do it continuously.