Suicide of Leelah Alcorn

[The land of the Mushroom Kingdom]

Well, this is tragic.

[Kelinfort]

Rest in Peace, Leelah.

The only consolation I can offer is the future. One day, these days will be seen as backward and ignorant. One day, these incidents will never happen. One day, humanity shall be at peace with itself, and hate shall be extinguished as we gaze down from the stars on our pale blue dot, once the home to our species.

Yes, The hate will be extinguished by a nuclear blast as colonists on the moon watch their home be purged.

Well at least SPECIFIC hatred. Until we're all taking hits off of the same cosmic bong, we're stuck being petty and insolent.

[Cerillium]

Why do the parents not realize that their dear daughter's suicide is the direct result of their being total shitbags to her?

They most likely will. It'll dawn on one of them at 3 AM as they're walking the hall to stare into an empty bedroom.

[Fortschritte]

Fuck her bigoted parents, fuck them. This is a tragedy, and it's unbelievable that transgendered people are still denied their rights. This just makes me so mad that...urgh.

[MERIZoC]

That's incredibly sad. It's awful parent like that that make me so fucking angry at the world. How the hell can't you give your own child the respect and care they deserve? It's absolutely insane.

[Putin the Bear King]

*snip*
I think we can all agree that this is terrible.

Most definitly.

What are your thoughts on the parents' actions?

The opposite of what parents should do, also typical for narcissists. Seeing the child as an extention of themselves, a "thing" that has to be the way they want, instead of an individual.

Do you think her suicide will help the civil rights movement?

No. Wish I could say otherwise, but it most likely won't reach those it would have to, while crashing through already open doors elsewhere. Welcome to media bubbles.

Can you prove how ever that this case has the parents just thinking of them as an organic offshoot of their personal wants and lust for civil and societal needs, without any bias in the transgender sphere of influence?

That's incredibly sad. It's awful parent like that that make me so fucking angry at the world. How the hell can't you give your own child the respect and care they deserve? It's absolutely insane.

I would go on about the genetic constructs of DNA and the psychological and sociological inputs, but then many, maybe you, would try to refute that claim with the feeling that their soul is said gender and/or society needs to bend at their will for their own wanted, yet mute, desires.

[Uncle Sam]

I read his suicide note and to me it seemed self-serving and he seemed to have an agenda to killing himself rather than doing it out of sad, hopelessness. He purposely killed himself on 29 December so his death could be included in the statistics for "transgender" suicides in 2014 and he wanted his death to change society's views towards "transgender" teenagers. I feel like politically motivated martyr-suicides shouldn't be publicized as they glorify suicide and would empower youths going through depression or other mental troubles to commit suicide instead of focusing on recovery. I just feel like his suicide sends the wrong message to people going through similar struggles as he did, and it shouldn't be glorified.

[Liriena]

I read his suicide note and to me it seemed self-serving and he seemed to have an agenda to killing himself rather than doing it out of sad, hopelessness. He purposely killed himself on 29 December so his death could be included in the statistics for "transgender" suicides in 2014 and he wanted his death to change society's views towards "transgender" teenagers. I feel like politically motivated martyr-suicides shouldn't be publicized as they glorify suicide and would empower youths going through depression or other mental troubles to commit suicide instead of focusing on recovery. I just feel like his suicide sends the wrong message to people going through similar struggles as he did, and it shouldn't be glorified.

A word of advice: In a forum where there's an awful lot of transgender people, it'd mean the world to them if you didn't go out of your way to misgender them and minimize their gender identity by putting quotation marks over the word transgender.

With that said... Yeah, sorry if I don't find your interpretation particularly persuasive, given the blatant transphobia in your manner of expression.

[Digital Planets]

I'm not sure what everyone is upset about.

"Please don’t be sad, it’s for the better."

That was taken from their suicide letter.

[Shilya]

The opposite of what parents should do, also typical for narcissists. Seeing the child as an extention of themselves, a "thing" that has to be the way they want, instead of an individual.

Can you prove how ever that this case has the parents just thinking of them as an organic offshoot of their personal wants and lust for civil and societal needs, without any bias in the transgender sphere of influence?

As noted in the suicide note, her parents took her out of school and instead into a program designed to turn her into exactly what her parents wanted her to be. Going to such lenghts to refute her as individual that isn't the way they planned, and instead attempting to "reform" her into their image of the child they want, means they're unable to comprehend that children are more than what parents want them to be. If they can't see her as an individual, the remaining explanation is that they see her as property to be fixed.

Furthermore, this has been posted earlier. What's happening here is a last-ditch attempt to avoid a narcissistic injury, to save face, even if it means lieing your ass off. Please note how a) she actively denies that her daughter commited suicide - because what kind of parents would they be if their child killed themselves; b) How she doesn't ask for her child to be prayed for, but for herself. It's still all about her.

[Maineiacs]

I read his suicide note and to me it seemed self-serving and he seemed to have an agenda to killing himself rather than doing it out of sad, hopelessness. He purposely killed himself on 29 December so his death could be included in the statistics for "transgender" suicides in 2014 and he wanted his death to change society's views towards "transgender" teenagers. I feel like politically motivated martyr-suicides shouldn't be publicized as they glorify suicide and would empower youths going through depression or other mental troubles to commit suicide instead of focusing on recovery. I just feel like his suicide sends the wrong message to people going through similar struggles as he did, and it shouldn't be glorified.

This has got to be one of the most disgraceful examples of victim-blaming I have ever seen. Have you no sense of decency?

[Liriena]

I'm not sure what everyone is upset about.

"Please don’t be sad, it’s for the better."

That was taken from their suicide letter.

We are upset because this could have been prevented.

[Dokisu]

I'm not sure what everyone is upset about.

"Please don’t be sad, it’s for the better."

That was taken from their suicide letter.

We are upset because this could have been prevented.

This. Just because she thought it was for the better doesn't mean it actually is.

[Uncle Sam]

I read his suicide note and to me it seemed self-serving and he seemed to have an agenda to killing himself rather than doing it out of sad, hopelessness. He purposely killed himself on 29 December so his death could be included in the statistics for "transgender" suicides in 2014 and he wanted his death to change society's views towards "transgender" teenagers. I feel like politically motivated martyr-suicides shouldn't be publicized as they glorify suicide and would empower youths going through depression or other mental troubles to commit suicide instead of focusing on recovery. I just feel like his suicide sends the wrong message to people going through similar struggles as he did, and it shouldn't be glorified.

A word of advice: In a forum where there's an awful lot of transgender people, it'd mean the world to them if you didn't go out of your way to misgender them and minimize their gender identity by putting quotation marks over the word transgender.

With that said... Yeah, sorry if I don't find your interpretation particularly persuasive, given the blatant transphobia in your manner of expression.

I didn't intentionally "misgender" him, he was born a man and felt he was a girl. And I'm not "transphobic" just because I don't believe his suicide will be for the good, or change anything at all. He wanted to be a martyr, and people are glorifying him as one and suicide should NOT be rewarded.

[Digital Planets]

We are upset because this could have been prevented.

This. Just because she thought it was for the better doesn't mean it actually is.

If someone who just offed themselves said 'it's for the better', then I'll take that and continue on with my day.

[Putin the Bear King]

Can you prove how ever that this case has the parents just thinking of them as an organic offshoot of their personal wants and lust for civil and societal needs, without any bias in the transgender sphere of influence?

As noted in the suicide note, her parents took her out of school and instead into a program designed to turn her into exactly what her parents wanted her to be. Going to such lenghts to refute her as individual that isn't the way they planned, and instead attempting to "reform" her into their image of the child they want, means they're unable to comprehend that children are more than what parents want them to be. If they can't see her as an individual, the remaining explanation is that they see her as property to be fixed.

Furthermore, this has been posted earlier. What's happening here is a last-ditch attempt to avoid a narcissistic injury, to save face, even if it means lieing your ass off. Please note how a) she actively denies that her daughter commited suicide - because what kind of parents would they be if their child killed themselves; b) How she doesn't ask for her child to be prayed for, but for herself. It's still all about her.

True, the parents may still believe that their child is a son, but seeing them treat him like how he was born, like any species birthed from the throes of the primordial pools of evolution would (et al), does not make them susceptible to being insulted and blamed for the "misgendering" of an organism with both phenotypic and genetic traits of a male.

[Liriena]

A word of advice: In a forum where there's an awful lot of transgender people, it'd mean the world to them if you didn't go out of your way to misgender them and minimize their gender identity by putting quotation marks over the word transgender.

With that said... Yeah, sorry if I don't find your interpretation particularly persuasive, given the blatant transphobia in your manner of expression.

I didn't intentionally "misgender" him, he was born a man and felt he was a girl.

Ergo, you misgendered her. You know that she was transgender, and yet you referred to her as "he". This means you knowingly disregarded her acknowledged and, by know, well known gender identity.

You misgendered her.

And I'm not "transphobic" just because I don't believe his suicide will be for the good, or change anything at all.

The thing is, that is not why I accused you of showing signs of transphobia. I did it because you misgendered Leelah, and put quotation marks on the word transgender, which carries the connotation that you do not perceive the term as a legitimate one.

He wanted to be a martyr, and people are glorifying him as one and suicide should NOT be rewarded.

Nobody is rewarding her suicide, or glorifying her because she committed suicide. We are expressing grief and outrage because she was driven to suicide by her own family, in the midst of a social-cultural context in which young transgender people often suffer similar experiences. She is not the first young transgender woman to helplessly suffer for her gender identity at the hands of those who were supposed to love her, support her, and protect her, but she is one of the few who decided to tell her story to the world, and thus raised awareness about a pervasive social-cultural problem.

Good grief.

[Geilinor]

I'm not sure what everyone is upset about.

"Please don’t be sad, it’s for the better."

That was taken from their suicide letter.

That's why people commit suicide, because they think it's for the better.

[New DeCapito]

A word of advice: In a forum where there's an awful lot of transgender people, it'd mean the world to them if you didn't go out of your way to misgender them and minimize their gender identity by putting quotation marks over the word transgender.

With that said... Yeah, sorry if I don't find your interpretation particularly persuasive, given the blatant transphobia in your manner of expression.

I didn't intentionally misgender her, she was born a man and felt she was a girl. And I'm not transphobic just because I don't believe her suicide will be for the good, or change anything at all. She wanted to be a martyr, and people are glorifying her as one and suicide should NOT be rewarded.

I corrected your post so that it had the right pronouns. Also, misgender and transphobic are real words, don't put quotation marks on them.

[Shilya]

As noted in the suicide note, her parents took her out of school and instead into a program designed to turn her into exactly what her parents wanted her to be. Going to such lenghts to refute her as individual that isn't the way they planned, and instead attempting to "reform" her into their image of the child they want, means they're unable to comprehend that children are more than what parents want them to be. If they can't see her as an individual, the remaining explanation is that they see her as property to be fixed.

Furthermore, this has been posted earlier. What's happening here is a last-ditch attempt to avoid a narcissistic injury, to save face, even if it means lieing your ass off. Please note how a) she actively denies that her daughter commited suicide - because what kind of parents would they be if their child killed themselves; b) How she doesn't ask for her child to be prayed for, but for herself. It's still all about her.

True, the parents may still believe that their child is a son, but seeing them treat him like how he was born, like any species birthed from the throes of the primordial pools of evolution would (et al), does not make them susceptible to being insulted and blamed for the "misgendering" of an organism with both phenotypic and genetic traits of a male.

This isn't "treating him like how he was born", this is active denial of the personality of another human being. Their child, as an individual, has a right to express his gender, whatever it may be. When you put your child into a camp designed to overwrite their individual personality with whatever you want it to be, and oppress her to the point of suicide, then yes, the blame falls correctly, and the insults are well-deserved.

[Liriena]

This. Just because she thought it was for the better doesn't mean it actually is.

If someone who just offed themselves said 'it's for the better', then I'll take that and continue on with my day.

And you are not going to give the circumstances that drove her to suicide any thought? Even though depression and suicide within the transgender community are very serious problems?

[Uncle Sam]

I didn't intentionally "misgender" him, he was born a man and felt he was a girl. And I'm not "transphobic" just because I don't believe his suicide will be for the good, or change anything at all. He wanted to be a martyr, and people are glorifying him as one and suicide should NOT be rewarded.

I corrected your post so that it had the right pronouns.

Don't. You're not allowed to edit a person's post through quotes, New DeCapito. You're intentionally trying to annoy me.

[Putin the Bear King]

I'm not sure what everyone is upset about.

"Please don’t be sad, it’s for the better."

That was taken from their suicide letter.

That's why people commit suicide, because they think it's for the better.

Also people indoctrinate others into false ideologies that preach the claims of civil utopia, because they think it's for the better.

[New DeCapito]

I corrected your post so that it had the right pronouns.

Don't. You're not allowed to edit a person's post through quotes, New DeCapito. You're intentionally trying to annoy me.

Correct. I'm subtly annoying you to the point where you look like a massive idiot.

[Dokisu]

I corrected your post so that it had the right pronouns.

Don't. You're not allowed to edit a person's post through quotes, New DeCapito. You're intentionally trying to annoy me.

You can edit someone's post if you make it clear that you did so. They edited it to respect Leelah, not annoy you.