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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:40 am

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Ugh, I fucking hate having to read this list. It's so fucking depressing:

• Unsanitary living conditions;
• Denial of adequate food;
• Denial of proper medical care and treatment;
• Denial of a minimally sufficient education;
• Exposure to cold temperatures for long periods of time;
• Forced physical exercise beyond his physical capacity;
• Placement in isolation for long periods of time, and at times, locked up in basements and put into uncomfortable positions;
• He was kicked, beaten, thrown and slammed to the ground, restrained, and humiliated;
• He was chained and locked in dog cages and, at times, tied by the writs and ankles;
• He was forced to clean and scrub toilets and floors with his toothbrush and then use the toothbrush afterwards;
• He was forced to carry heavy bags of sand around his neck throughout the day over many days;
• He was forced to wash dishes by using his hands and sand to scrub pots;
• He was forced to eat his own vomit;
• He endured sexual abuse
• He endured emotional abuse when Defendants subjected him to near-total parental and societal isolation;
• In an effort to control his mind, he was prevented from having regular contact with his parents;
• Personal visits, correspondence, and telephone calls were either forbidden or discouraged; and
• He was forced to work without compensation. Chase repeatedly witnessed other children being kicked, beaten, thrown to the ground, and humiliated by teachers, supervisors, and/or staff. Because he was subjected to near-total isolation from the outside world, Chase was totally unequipped to enter outside society, which has made earning a living, forming and maintaining relationships, and adapting to society difficult at best. He will need extended therapy.
• Breached their duty to act in Chase’s best interest;
• Conspired and fraudulently concealed the extent and nature of the physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse occurring at its boarding schools, extending through the present day;
• Have suppressed and minimized public knowledge of the rampant physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse of minor children in their boarding schools by teachers, supervisors, and staff;
• Had a duty to respond and to aggressively address the repeated notices of abuse committed on children so they would not continue;
• Failed to provide proper training to its teachers, supervisors, and staff;
• Failed to notify state and governmental authorities of known and suspected abuse when it was the law to do so;
• Failed to provide reasonable supervision of its teachers, supervisors, and staff;
• Failed to provide adequate staffing to provide a safe environment;
• Failed to provide adequate food, clothing, shelter, and education in its boarding schools, even though it represents to parents and others it was doing so;
• Failed to tell Chase’s parents they did not provide adequate staffing to prevent, detect, and minimize the effects of incidents of abuse;
• Failed to tell Chase’s parents they did not provide adequate staffing to prevent, detect, and minimize the effects of incidents of abuse;
• Failed to tell Chase’s parents that their son was being used as child labor and was not compensated for doing so;
• Failed to tell Chase’s parents that the schools were below child safety standards, and that education of their child would be minimal to non-existence;
• Conducted themselves in a malicious, wanton, and reckless disregard of Plaintiff Chase Wood’s health, safety, and welfare;
• Falsely imprisoned Chase Wood
• Violated the RICO Act by bilking parents and children out of their money, depriving children of their educational opportunities, committing mail fraud, misrepresenting facts through phone conversations and letters, sending fraudulent literature, misleading the public and government regulators, to name a few. In sum, plaintiff Chase Wood has suffered, and will continue to suffer, extreme emotional trauma, pain and suffering, and chronic post-traumatic stress disorder. He has suffered from diminished earning capacity and lost earnings. Chase experienced both physical and psychological pain and suffering and mental anguish and continues to do so. He suffers from a profound sense of guilt, helplessness, loss of self-esteem, and suffers from post-traumatic stress syndrome as a result of his experiences at WWASPS programs. Plaintiffs believe physical, emotional, and sexual abuse to minor children currently enrolled or residing at Defendants’ boarding schools and treatment facilities is ongoing and continues to this day. Plaintiffs seek the Court to issue an injunction that would prohibit Defendants from engaging in any further physical, emotional, or sexual abuse of minor children currently enrolled in or residing at their programs.

Source. Unbiased source, please.


That's from one of the court cases against them that resulted in many of the camps being shut down. Source.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Free Tristania » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:40 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:That seems to be a more reasonable approach to me. I, for one, don't believe at all that "most people have homosexual tendencies" as many lunatic liberals claim. (and I use those words deliberately). In total no more than 5 percent of the population have some homosexual or bisexual tendencies.


It's significantly more than 5%.

Research disagrees. 3.8 %
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Postby Free Tristania » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:41 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:Source. Unbiased source, please.


That's from one of the court cases against them that resulted in many of the camps being shut down. Source.

Allegations. That's what's listed under.
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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:42 am

Free Tristania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
That's from one of the court cases against them that resulted in many of the camps being shut down. Source.

Allegations. That's what's listed under.


Allegations that were held up in court and resulted in the camp being shut down.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Edgy Opinions » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:42 am

Anyway, everybody is a little bisexual comes to me as a little stupid

"Everybody is a little asexual" "Everybody is a little hetero" "Everybody is a little allosexual" "Everybody is a little agender" "Everybody is a little pangender" "Everybody is a little imprigender" "Everybody is a little genderfluid"

Please don't. I don't like having that be done to my sexual identity. It's mine, not of monosexuals or asexuals. They don't have a lived experience under it and the part of their lives where they definitely were indeed polymorphously perverse is already long ago by the time they start commenting on such abstract concepts.
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Postby Free Tristania » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:44 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:Allegations. That's what's listed under.


Allegations that were held up in court and resulted in the camp being shut down.

Yes.. but doesn't America have a jury system ? Juries formed by people that lap up whatever crazy story they are being told ? Exactly.
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:45 am

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Edgy Opinions wrote:Well, that's lunatic conservatism.

10-13% have it lifelong and 17-22% have it through some part of their lifetimes is what most modern research suggests.

That's ignoring the bisexual spectrum.
Many people who identify as straight or gay actually harbor minor bisexual tendencies, but merely harbor a preference.

It's not. Both 10-13% and 17-22% is homosexual + bisexual + non-binary sexuality (?)
Free Tristania wrote:How odd that I have only met two homosexuals in my entire life then and I have met, over the course of my life, a wide range of people.

According to the Williams Institute only 3.8 % of American adults (and it won't be any different here) classify themselves as homosexual. Not 10-13 % And the 17-22 % sounds like complete tosh to me.

We are discussing actual human processes of sexual and romantic attraction, not the identity of the repressed Protestant-majority population of some random heterosexist capitalist nation.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:45 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:Anyway, everybody is a little bisexual comes to me as a little stupid

"Everybody is a little asexual" "Everybody is a little hetero" "Everybody is a little allosexual" "Everybody is a little agender" "Everybody is a little pangender" "Everybody is a little imprigender" "Everybody is a little genderfluid"

Please don't. I don't like having that be done to my sexual identity. It's mine, not of monosexuals or asexuals. They don't have a lived experience under it and the part of their lives where they definitely were indeed polymorphously perverse is already long ago by the time they start commenting on such abstract concepts.


I don't particularly care if it hurts your feelings to be told a possible truth.
I know what i've seen and I know the studies i've read that show that despite quite a few people straight up admitting sexual attraction to the opposite/same sex, they identify as gay/straight.
If your understanding of gay/straight is "tends toward" then go ahead and call yourself it.
If you think it's exclusive, you're fooling yourself imo, and I don't care how much that makes you butthurt about your identity.
It's whining. The same kind of whining as the people who fuck transwomen they bawwwwwww about how their precious identity as a super hetero was shown to be bollocks.
Will you fly into panicked bigotted rages if it turns out you find someone attractive outside your little label too?
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Postby Free Tristania » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:46 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:Anyway, everybody is a little bisexual comes to me as a little stupid

"Everybody is a little asexual" "Everybody is a little hetero" "Everybody is a little allosexual" "Everybody is a little agender" "Everybody is a little pangender" "Everybody is a little imprigender" "Everybody is a little genderfluid"

Please don't. I don't like having that be done to my sexual identity. It's mine, not of monosexuals or asexuals. They don't have a lived experience under it and the part of their lives where they definitely were indeed polymorphously perverse is already long ago by the time they start commenting on such abstract concepts.

Exactly. Never mind that being "bi-sexual" seems to be the latest craze under many teenage girls these days. ( :rofl: -- because it's so utterly ridiculous).
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:48 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:I don't particularly care if it hurts your feelings to be told a possible truth.
I know what i've seen and I know the studies i've read that show that despite quite a few people straight up admitting sexual attraction to the opposite/same sex, they identify as gay/straight.
If your understanding of gay/straight is "tends toward" then go ahead and call yourself it.
If you think it's exclusive, you're fooling yourself imo, and I don't care how much that makes you butthurt about your identity.
It's whining. The same kind of whining as the people who fuck transwomen they bawwwwwww about how their precious identity as a super hetero was shown to be bollocks

Being attracted to women when you are a cisgender men is purely hetero.

If they were some sort of non-binary and the cis guys were aware (also aware of the connotations), that'd be different, but you're not implying that is the case.

It'd still would not be any sort of homosexual. Skoliosexuality is neither hetero nor gay.
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Postby Free Tristania » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:48 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:It's not. Both 10-13% and 17-22% is homosexual + bisexual + non-binary sexuality (?)

Source it.


Edgy Opinions wrote:I
We are discussing actual human processes of sexual and romantic attraction, not the identity of the repressed Protestant-majority population of some random heterosexist capitalist nation.

Aha.. so homosexuality is not something biological but something revolutionary communist to you then ? Why didn't you say so before, Miss Trotsky ? :rofl:
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:50 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:I don't particularly care if it hurts your feelings to be told a possible truth.
I know what i've seen and I know the studies i've read that show that despite quite a few people straight up admitting sexual attraction to the opposite/same sex, they identify as gay/straight.
If your understanding of gay/straight is "tends toward" then go ahead and call yourself it.
If you think it's exclusive, you're fooling yourself imo, and I don't care how much that makes you butthurt about your identity.
It's whining. The same kind of whining as the people who fuck transwomen they bawwwwwww about how their precious identity as a super hetero was shown to be bollocks

Being attracted to women when you are a cisgender men is purely hetero.

If they were some sort of non-binary and the cis guys were aware (also aware of the connotations), that'd be different, but you're not implying that is the case.

It'd still would not be any sort of homosexual. Skoliosexuality is neither hetero nor gay.


Uh.
The thing is, those men are also attracted to some men. They just identify as straight regardless, because they prefer women.
That's before you get into the fact that many gays can and have participated in and enjoyed sex with the opposite gender.
They just prefer their own.
I think it's pretty clearly preferential, not exclusive.
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Postby Free Tristania » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:52 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Edgy Opinions wrote:Being attracted to women when you are a cisgender men is purely hetero.

If they were some sort of non-binary and the cis guys were aware (also aware of the connotations), that'd be different, but you're not implying that is the case.

It'd still would not be any sort of homosexual. Skoliosexuality is neither hetero nor gay.


Uh.
The thing is, those men are also attracted to some men. They just identify as straight regardless, because they prefer women.

And in some cultures it's, culturally, permitted to say for a man that he finds another man good-looking without having any sexual intentions. So that might be misunderstood as well.
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:52 am

Free Tristania wrote:
Edgy Opinions wrote:It's not. Both 10-13% and 17-22% is homosexual + bisexual + non-binary sexuality (?)

Source it.
Edgy Opinions wrote:We are discussing actual human processes of sexual and romantic attraction, not the identity of the repressed Protestant-majority population of some random heterosexist capitalist nation.

Aha.. so homosexuality is not something biological but something revolutionary communist to you then ? Why didn't you say so before, Miss Trotsky ? :rofl:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Demographics

And of course social structures affect self-identity. This has nothing to do with what you actually feel, but which role you wish to fulfill within society.
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:54 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Uh.
The thing is, those men are also attracted to some men. They just identify as straight regardless, because they prefer women.
That's before you get into the fact that many gays can and have participated in and enjoyed sex with the opposite gender.
They just prefer their own.
I think it's pretty clearly preferential, not exclusive.

Some asexuals also fuck people for convenience or whatever.

Do they suddenly stop being asexual? Do they start to have significant degree of sexual attraction to other people they can train on? I don't think so.
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Postby Free Tristania » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:55 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:Source it.

Aha.. so homosexuality is not something biological but something revolutionary communist to you then ? Why didn't you say so before, Miss Trotsky ? :rofl:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Demographics

And of course social structures affect self-identity. This has nothing to do with what you actually feel, but which role you wish to fulfill within society.

In the same source (which I used as well before travelling up to the website of the Williams Institute:

In the United States, according to a The Williams Institute report in April 2011, only 3.5% or approximately 9 million of the adult population are lesbian, gay, or bisexual.[130][131] According to the 2000 United States Census there were about 601,209 same-sex unmarried partner households.[132]


Recent enough. 3.5 percent. That's not all that much, isn't it ? So far for your little revolution.
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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:55 am

Free Tristania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Allegations that were held up in court and resulted in the camp being shut down.

Yes.. but doesn't America have a jury system ? Juries formed by people that lap up whatever crazy story they are being told ? Exactly.


Stop being ridiculous. What the fuck kind of standard of proof do you want? You've got the courts holding it up (so that's beyond reasonable doubt to start with), you've got California, Costa Rica, Mississippi, Utah, Mexico, Georgia, the Czech Republic, Western Samoa, Nevada and Jamaica raiding them and/or shutting them down and in many cases arresting and convicting the administrators, you've got former administrators denouncing them, you've got them openly admitting to having beating children up to the point that they couldn't open their mouths to eat, and you've got literally hundreds of testimonies from victims helpfully collected in a large-scale support group for survivors.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby Free Tristania » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:56 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:Source it.

Aha.. so homosexuality is not something biological but something revolutionary communist to you then ? Why didn't you say so before, Miss Trotsky ? :rofl:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Demographics

And of course social structures affect self-identity. This has nothing to do with what you actually feel, but which role you wish to fulfill within society.

People fulfil the role they have been made for. Society does not revolve you - but you fit yourself into society.
I wasn't born to be a sprinter eventhough I quite like it so I can forget about playing that role in society.
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:56 am

Free Tristania wrote:In the same source (which I used as well before travelling up to the website of the Williams Institute:

In the United States, according to a The Williams Institute report in April 2011, only 3.5% or approximately 9 million of the adult population are lesbian, gay, or bisexual.[130][131] According to the 2000 United States Census there were about 601,209 same-sex unmarried partner households.[132]


Recent enough. 3.5 percent. That's not all that much, isn't it ? So far for your little revolution.

Are you being intentionally intellectually dishonest? Not all people who confess crushes or hotties for other people actually want to identify as ~something else~. Do these reports even force them to pick between lesbian/gay/bisexual or heterosexual?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:57 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Uh.
The thing is, those men are also attracted to some men. They just identify as straight regardless, because they prefer women.
That's before you get into the fact that many gays can and have participated in and enjoyed sex with the opposite gender.
They just prefer their own.
I think it's pretty clearly preferential, not exclusive.

Some asexuals also fuck people for convenience or whatever.

Do they suddenly stop being asexual? Do they start to have significant degree of sexual attraction to other people they can train on? I don't think so.


If an asexual reported sexual attraction to people, then yes as it happens, they do suddenly stop being an asexual.
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:57 am

Free Tristania wrote:People fulfil the role they have been made for. Society does not revolve you - but you fit yourself into society.
I wasn't born to be a sprinter eventhough I quite like it so I can forget about playing that role in society.

This is not a debate on your life philosophy.
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:58 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Edgy Opinions wrote:Some asexuals also fuck people for convenience or whatever.

Do they suddenly stop being asexual? Do they start to have significant degree of sexual attraction to other people they can train on? I don't think so.

If an asexual reported sexual attraction to people, then yes as it happens, they do suddenly stop being an asexual.

They don't turn allosexual, though, because asexual identity and experience are by far dominant.
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Postby Free Tristania » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:58 am

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Free Tristania wrote:Yes.. but doesn't America have a jury system ? Juries formed by people that lap up whatever crazy story they are being told ? Exactly.


Stop being ridiculous. What the fuck kind of standard of proof do you want? You've got the courts holding it up (so that's beyond reasonable doubt to start with), you've got California, Costa Rica, Mississippi, Utah, Mexico, Georgia, the Czech Republic, Western Samoa, Nevada and Jamaica raiding them and/or shutting them down and in many cases arresting and convicting the administrators, you've got former administrators denouncing them, you've got them openly admitting to having beating children up to the point that they couldn't open their mouths to eat, and you've got literally hundreds of testimonies from victims helpfully collected in a large-scale support group for survivors.


Stop being ridiculous. That's exactly what your assertion is: ridiculous. Parents, who wouldn't harm their children, believe that their children are afflicted with something with something harmful. And then they send them off to therapy (as my parents would have sent me if I would, f.i, depressed) and now this becomes a polical case because some people, like you and "Miss Trotsky" don't like it and quickly make up stories about torture and go to court, convincing a jury (a group of people dragged from the street to do their "duty") that something is horribly wrong and ban it.
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Postby Free Tristania » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:59 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:In the same source (which I used as well before travelling up to the website of the Williams Institute:



Recent enough. 3.5 percent. That's not all that much, isn't it ? So far for your little revolution.

Are you being intentionally intellectually dishonest? Not all people who confess crushes or hotties for other people actually want to identify as ~something else~. Do these reports even force them to pick between lesbian/gay/bisexual or heterosexual?

I am not intellectually dishonest at all, you are. For political reasons. I used my source and you don't source it properly.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:00 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:If an asexual reported sexual attraction to people, then yes as it happens, they do suddenly stop being an asexual.

They don't turn allosexual, though, because asexual identity and experience are by far dominant.


I don't deny they might identify as asexual or gay or whatever.
I just think they are fooling themselves.
Same as all those people who run around insisting they are straight and panicking the fuck out when they get a boner over seeing penises.

Oh, just because i'm sexually attracted to people doesn't mean i'm not an asexual!!!
Its MUH IDENTITY.
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