Suicide of Leelah Alcorn

[Nazi Flower Power]

Would you be upset if I called you she?

Not really. I'd find it silly.

We'll have to start doing it then.

[Edgy Opinions]

Not really. I'd find it silly.

We'll have to start doing it then.

I prefer wing/wings/winger/wingself

Gallup had a parrot flag, thus wing's a parrotkin

[Nazi Flower Power]

We'll have to start doing it then.

I prefer wing/wings/winger/wingself

Gallup had a parrot flag, thus wing's a parrotkin

Parrots can be "she."

[Edgy Opinions]

I prefer wing/wings/winger/wingself

Gallup had a parrot flag, thus wing's a parrotkin

Parrots can be "she."

Meh, nounself pronouns tend to annoy more.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Parrots can be "she."

Meh, nounself pronouns tend to annoy more.

They also confuse feeble-minded Nazis such as myself. The goal is to tease Murkwood, not to confuse myself.

[New DeCapito]

Two things we should do:
1. Call everyone they/them/their so that people don't get into needless arguments like this.
2. STFU and get back to the real problem of suicide, instead of arguing over language.

[Karlom-Teravanyia]

Never said there weren't any transgendered people. Just said its not a huge inflammatory issue. And I don't take kindly to the characterization of small town Americans as medieval barbarians that will lynch all the socially unorthodox people in the area. It's simply not true. Some people are ignorant and mean, but everyone has dealt with that at some point or another.

Ignoring the fact I never said the underlined, I've lived in small town America most of my life. My actual characterization is not that inaccurate from what I've seen firsthand. Also, believe it or not, but yes, transgender people get lynched all the time, in big cities, small towns, and the suburbs.

1. Not to be rude, but in this case I think it is more subject to you being unable to distinguish A from B in this case.

2. The tolerance gestapo which, incidentally got you to laugh, was the intended humor which dispels poe's law. 3. Short of someone mistaking me for someone which considers the LGBT organizations to reincarnate nazi concentration camps, which would be an amazing conclusion to arrive to in the first place, it can't really touch on Poe's law.

1. That's literally the definitions of Poe's Law.

2. Not really. I laugh at inane bullshit people say and actually believe, all the time.

3. I've heard more outrageous from others on here, and they actually believed it. So, I can't really be blamed for thinking you actually meant it.

In my experience, small town folk are incredibly understanding and compassionate individuals, and I've lived and stayed in towns across the Southeastern States and met many interesting and wonderful people. Many would give you the shirt of their back. Now, that being said, most people don't understand transgenderism and consider transgender people "weird" or "odd" but true, militant, anti-transgender sentiments I have found are hard to come by. I don't think that thinking transgender people are weird constitutes "transphobia."

[The New World Oceania]

Two things we should do:
1. Call everyone they/them/their so that people don't get into needless arguments like this.
2. STFU and get back to the real problem of suicide, instead of arguing over language.

Devalues the power of language. What do we do when language is a contributing factor to suicide? Perhaps the overarching gender-neutral pronouns for everyone, in fact, would contribute to solving some suicide issues.

However, to quote from Kim Jong-Un:

“Do you know what hurts more than nuclear weapons?
Words.”

[Lost heros]

Ignoring the fact I never said the underlined, I've lived in small town America most of my life. My actual characterization is not that inaccurate from what I've seen firsthand. Also, believe it or not, but yes, transgender people get lynched all the time, in big cities, small towns, and the suburbs.



1. That's literally the definitions of Poe's Law.

2. Not really. I laugh at inane bullshit people say and actually believe, all the time.

3. I've heard more outrageous from others on here, and they actually believed it. So, I can't really be blamed for thinking you actually meant it.

In my experience, small town folk are incredibly understanding and compassionate individuals, and I've lived and stayed in towns across the Southeastern States and met many interesting and wonderful people. Many would give you the shirt of their back. Now, that being said, most people don't understand transgenderism and consider transgender people "weird" or "odd" but true, militant, anti-transgender sentiments I have found are hard to come by. I don't think that thinking transgender people are weird constitutes "transphobia."

Out of curiosity are you a white Christian?

[Murkwood]

We'll have to start doing it then.

I prefer wing/wings/winger/wingself

Gallup had a parrot flag, thus wing's a parrotkin

I remember my Jacque flag. That was a while ago.

[Karlom-Teravanyia]

In my experience, small town folk are incredibly understanding and compassionate individuals, and I've lived and stayed in towns across the Southeastern States and met many interesting and wonderful people. Many would give you the shirt of their back. Now, that being said, most people don't understand transgenderism and consider transgender people "weird" or "odd" but true, militant, anti-transgender sentiments I have found are hard to come by. I don't think that thinking transgender people are weird constitutes "transphobia."

Out of curiosity are you a white Christian?

White, yes. Christian...eh. I'm in a religious grey area.

[Floating mountain]

Two things we should do:
1. Call everyone they/them/their so that people don't get into needless arguments like this.
2. STFU and get back to the real problem of suicide, instead of arguing over language.

1. Using they/them/their only works till someone expresses a desire to be referred to by a different pronoun at witch point that becomes the correct pronoun to use.
2. The problem is the issue of constant and deliberate misgendering is what drives trans people to suicide.

[Luminesa]

Two things we should do:
1. Call everyone they/them/their so that people don't get into needless arguments like this.
2. STFU and get back to the real problem of suicide, instead of arguing over language.

1.) I just called Leelah 'she' so I wouldn't start an internet war.
2.) Amen. While we're all arguing over whether Leelah was a 'he' or a 'she', every 40 second someone is killing themselves. It's one of the biggest killers of teenagers, and it needs to be addressed.

Hug those you love and tell them how much you love them. Tell them they are special and they are here to do great things.

[WestRedMaple]

Two things we should do:
1. Call everyone they/them/their so that people don't get into needless arguments like this.
2. STFU and get back to the real problem of suicide, instead of arguing over language.

1. Using they/them/their only works till someone expresses a desire to be referred to by a different pronoun at witch point that becomes the correct pronoun to use.
2. The problem is the issue of constant and deliberate misgendering is what drives trans people to suicide.

They/them/their always works, thus my preference for it.

[Floating mountain]

1. Using they/them/their only works till someone expresses a desire to be referred to by a different pronoun at witch point that becomes the correct pronoun to use.
2. The problem is the issue of constant and deliberate misgendering is what drives trans people to suicide.

They/them/their always works, thus my preference for it.

The reason why they/them doesn't always work is that as soon as someone expresses a desire to be referred to by a specific pronoun set exclusively using they/them means that you are no longer using the pronouns that they are most comfortable with.

[WestRedMaple]

They/them/their always works, thus my preference for it.

The reason why they/them doesn't always work is that as soon as someone expresses a desire to be referred to by a specific pronoun set exclusively using they/them means that you are no longer using the pronouns that they are most comfortable with.

They still work just fine, as they are still entirely, accurately applicable. Deciding to take offense because someone uses generic pronouns instead of memorizing different pronouns for everyone is rude.

If it is someone who plays any sort of major role in one's life, then a name is more appropriate.

[Floating mountain]

The reason why they/them doesn't always work is that as soon as someone expresses a desire to be referred to by a specific pronoun set exclusively using they/them means that you are no longer using the pronouns that they are most comfortable with.

They still work just fine, as they are still entirely, accurately applicable. Deciding to take offense because someone uses generic pronouns instead of memorizing different pronouns for everyone is rude.

If it is someone who plays any sort of major role in one's life, then a name is more appropriate.

And using a different set of pronouns when a person has expressed a desire to use a specific set of pronouns is also rude. Many trans people are sensitive about their pronouns and using they/them when they have stated that they use different pronouns implies that you don't see them as real women/men.

[Lost heros]

Two things we should do:
1. Call everyone they/them/their so that people don't get into needless arguments like this.
2. STFU and get back to the real problem of suicide, instead of arguing over language.

1.) I just called Leelah 'she' so I wouldn't start an internet war.
2.) Amen. While we're all arguing over whether Leelah was a 'he' or a 'she', every 40 second someone is killing themselves. It's one of the biggest killers of teenagers, and it needs to be addressed.

Hug those you love and tell them how much you love them. Tell them they are special and they are here to do great things.

1. Or you could call her "she" because that is represents the gender she I dentified with.
2. The whole reason we get pissed when someone uses the wrong pronouns is because that is what leads transgendered people to suicide. When you deliberately and consistently deny recognition of a factor of a person's identity, you will lead them to sadness, anger, depression, and suicide.

[WestRedMaple]

They still work just fine, as they are still entirely, accurately applicable. Deciding to take offense because someone uses generic pronouns instead of memorizing different pronouns for everyone is rude.

If it is someone who plays any sort of major role in one's life, then a name is more appropriate.

And using a different set of pronouns when a person has expressed a desire to use a specific set of pronouns is also rude. Many trans people are sensitive about their pronouns and using they/them when they have stated that they use different pronouns implies that you don't see them as real women/men.

I use they regardless of sex, so they're in no place to complain. If they have any significant role in my life, then I'm just be using their names. If they're not any significant part of my life, then they are certainly have no justification in being upset that they get treated like everyone else.

[Floating mountain]

1.) I just called Leelah 'she' so I wouldn't start an internet war.
2.) Amen. While we're all arguing over whether Leelah was a 'he' or a 'she', every 40 second someone is killing themselves. It's one of the biggest killers of teenagers, and it needs to be addressed.

Hug those you love and tell them how much you love them. Tell them they are special and they are here to do great things.

1. Or you could call her "she" because that is represents the gender she Identified with.
2. The whole reason we get pissed when someone uses the wrong pronouns is because that is what leads transgendered people to suicide. When you deliberately and consistently deny recognition of a factor of a person's identity, you will lead them to sadness, anger, depression, and suicide.

The use of wrong pronouns and denial of someones identity is not the only factor. It is usually in addition to internalized issues such as self hatred and extreme body image issues.

[Lost heros]

1. Or you could call her "she" because that is represents the gender she Identified with.
2. The whole reason we get pissed when someone uses the wrong pronouns is because that is what leads transgendered people to suicide. When you deliberately and consistently deny recognition of a factor of a person's identity, you will lead them to sadness, anger, depression, and suicide.

The use of wrong pronouns and denial of someones identity is not the only factor. It is usually in addition to internalized issues such as self hatred and extreme body image issues.

Which usually occur when a person is repeatedly denied their identity.

[Floating mountain]

And using a different set of pronouns when a person has expressed a desire to use a specific set of pronouns is also rude. Many trans people are sensitive about their pronouns and using they/them when they have stated that they use different pronouns implies that you don't see them as real women/men.

I use they regardless of sex, so they're in no place to complain. If they have any significant role in my life, then I'm just be using their names. If they're not any significant part of my life, then they are certainly have no justification in being upset that they get treated like everyone else.

But if they don't know that you do that then the logical conclusion would be that you are denying their identity but not wanting to appear outwardly transphobic. So if you do do that then you would have to preface it with a disclaimer that you do that to everyone. Or you could do the considerate thing and use the correct pronouns.

[Floating mountain]

The use of wrong pronouns and denial of someones identity is not the only factor. It is usually in addition to internalized issues such as self hatred and extreme body image issues.

Which usually occur when a person is repeatedly denied their identity.

Yeah I know that. I'm just pointing out that the use of incorrect pronouns is not the only factor it has more to do with trans people being forced to conform to the gender roles that do not coincide with their gender.

[WestRedMaple]

I use they regardless of sex, so they're in no place to complain. If they have any significant role in my life, then I'm just be using their names. If they're not any significant part of my life, then they are certainly have no justification in being upset that they get treated like everyone else.

But if they don't know that you do that then the logical conclusion would be that you are denying their identity but not wanting to appear outwardly transphobic. So if you do do that then you would have to preface it with a disclaimer that you do that to everyone. Or you could do the considerate thing and use the correct pronouns.

The logical conclusion is that, since I am using a correct pronoun, that I am in no way denying anything about them. I AM using correct pronouns. You're just under the mistaken impression that pronouns are mutually exclusive.

[Floating mountain]

But if they don't know that you do that then the logical conclusion would be that you are denying their identity but not wanting to appear outwardly transphobic. So if you do do that then you would have to preface it with a disclaimer that you do that to everyone. Or you could do the considerate thing and use the correct pronouns.

The logical conclusion is that, since I am using a correct pronoun, that I am in no way denying anything about them. I AM using correct pronouns. You're just under the mistaken impression that pronouns are mutually exclusive.

I do know that pronouns are not mutually exclusive. However not everyone has multiple pronouns. So if you use a pronoun that they do not use then you are in fact denying them.
For example i use she/her pronouns only. Using they/them in regards to me IS MISGENDERING because it is not a correct pronoun.