Suicide of Leelah Alcorn

[Nortrom]

I'm not an American but I have the impression that it's a secular nation with some Christian-dominated areas, no? At least from my perspective (I live in a Christian theocracy), the US seems pretty good in the religious aspect, because the Church is funded by the people instead of the state.

[Eastern Equestria]

What makes this story truly disgusting is how the parents acted before and after the suicide. Not only did they destroy the best years of her life, they made sure to mock her after her death as well. Her mother made a post on FB about how her "son was hit by a truck and passed away".

Moreover, I don't understand how a nation so secular as America has such a big problem with Christian extremism.

Secularism is a lie perpetuated by the religious so that they have something to fight against and an excuse to perpetuate religion.

What? America's government is secular. That is a fact. That more than 3/4ths of our population and most of our politicians are Christian notwithstanding.

[Dumb Ideologies]

The media.That's what I said ?

How is the media as the collective of institutions it forms not ruled by the higher economic classes with a higher prevalence of people who have greater access to both education and the job market?

Media are alien lizard creatures from the planet Niburu, that's how.

[Krazakistan]

I'm not an American but I have the impression that it's a secular nation with some Christian-dominated areas, no? At least from my perspective (I live in a Christian theocracy), the US seems pretty good in the religious aspect, because the Church is funded by the people instead of the state.

Comparatively speaking, yes, America is a lot more secular than many nations elsewhere. "Some" is a bit of an understatement, really, there's tons of Christian dominated areas. Actually, I'm not even sure if there's a state in my country where Christianity/Zombie-worshiping derivative wasn't the most common religion.

[Burleson 2]

What makes this story truly disgusting is how the parents acted before and after the suicide. Not only did they destroy the best years of her life, they made sure to mock her after her death as well. Her mother made a post on FB about how her "son was hit by a truck and passed away".

Moreover, I don't understand how a nation so secular as America has such a big problem with Christian extremism.

What's so wrong with them saying what happened to their son?

[Burleson 2]

I'm not an American but I have the impression that it's a secular nation with some Christian-dominated areas, no? At least from my perspective (I live in a Christian theocracy), the US seems pretty good in the religious aspect, because the Church is funded by the people instead of the state.

What country do you live in?

[The Lotophagi]

What makes this story truly disgusting is how the parents acted before and after the suicide. Not only did they destroy the best years of her life, they made sure to mock her after her death as well. Her mother made a post on FB about how her "son was hit by a truck and passed away".

Moreover, I don't understand how a nation so secular as America has such a big problem with Christian extremism.

What's so wrong with them saying what happened to their son?

You know why it's inappropriate.

[Edgy Opinions]

son

The wrong part.

She killed herself for this very stupid sense of legitimacy of denial of self-identification and trying to limit other people's choices and thoughts because you believe you have an authority over it.

It's destructive and leads to no use.

[Burleson 2]

What's so wrong with them saying what happened to their son?

You know why it's inappropriate.

It's not inappropriate.

[Burleson 2]

son

The wrong part.

She killed herself for this very stupid sense of legitimacy of denial of self-identification and trying to limit other people's choices and thoughts because you believe you have an authority over it.

It's destructive and leads to no use.

Whether he liked it or not, he was a male. There are some things people need to just live with.

[Evil Twin of Val Halla]

The wrong part.

She killed herself for this very stupid sense of legitimacy of denial of self-identification and trying to limit other people's choices and thoughts because you believe you have an authority over it.

It's destructive and leads to no use.

Whether he liked it or not, he was a male. There are some things people need to just live with.

SHE was a woman. This is not just like being born with a specific hair colour. The fact that you even suggested that is despicable.

[Edgy Opinions]

You know why it's inappropriate.

It's not inappropriate.

Yes, it's farther than that. Demeaning, disrespectful, proud, inveterate.

Does your religion really asks for said behavior even when it's regarded as violating the agreeableness with your kin? And by kin I mean not only the honor of the deceased relative of yours but your own community as well.

Those people brought shame to all people related to them be it by blood, emotional and social proximity, it isn't pretty that they insist on what led to it all with a straight face as if they were really, really sorry insisting on their mistaken plans for others they have no rightful authority on even after their lack of everything parents are supposed to be in terms of cognition, judgment, closeness and empathy proved to miserably fail and wreck their home.

[Snowfall the Unicorn]

The wrong part.

She killed herself for this very stupid sense of legitimacy of denial of self-identification and trying to limit other people's choices and thoughts because you believe you have an authority over it.

It's destructive and leads to no use.

Whether he liked it or not, he was a male. There are some things people need to just live with.

You disgust me.

[Edgy Opinions]

Whether he liked it or not, he was a male. There are some things people need to just live with.

Look, I live with my body, my history, my name and even the way people perceive me at first because of their socially engineered limitation at expecting things of their fellow person. Some people don't, because it's miserable to them, and we're supposed to support them through it because it's humane.

I don't live with people telling me what I am supposed to be and what part of society I have a duty with and am bound to, because of an arbitrary detail about myself, written through extremely questionable lines that are not just naturally authoritative.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

*snip*
I think we can all agree that this is terrible.

Most definitly.

What are your thoughts on the parents' actions?

The opposite of what parents should do, also typical for narcissists. Seeing the child as an extention of themselves, a "thing" that has to be the way they want, instead of an individual.

Do you think her suicide will help the civil rights movement?

No. Wish I could say otherwise, but it most likely won't reach those it would have to, while crashing through already open doors elsewhere. Welcome to media bubbles.

This.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The wrong part.

She killed herself for this very stupid sense of legitimacy of denial of self-identification and trying to limit other people's choices and thoughts because you believe you have an authority over it.

It's destructive and leads to no use.

Whether he liked it or not, he was a male. There are some things people need to just live with.

Not necessarily.

I live with a fear of intimacy and social anxiety. I don't have to live with it.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

What makes this story truly disgusting is how the parents acted before and after the suicide. Not only did they destroy the best years of her life, they made sure to mock her after her death as well. Her mother made a post on FB about how her "son was hit by a truck and passed away".

Moreover, I don't understand how a nation so secular as America has such a big problem with Christian extremism.

What's so wrong with them saying what happened to their son?

You don't post that shit on Facebook, for one.

If my parents were to die you'd be the last one to know to be fair. So saying it in Facebook doesn't really convey other than they taking this lightly.

For all your so-called "Conservatism" you're even less conservative than I am.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Whether he liked it or not, he was a male. There are some things people need to just live with.

SHE was a woman. This is not just like being born with a specific hair colour. The fact that you even suggested that is despicable.

This is Burleson. Do you EXPECT any less from his "Conservative" (coughbullshitcough) leanings?

[Snowfall the Unicorn]

isn't "trolling" deliberately trying to offend people?

because we all know that's exactly what Burleson is doing here

[Soldati Senza Confini]

isn't "trolling" deliberately trying to offend people?

because we all know that's exactly what Burleson is doing here

Depends.

I've seen Burleson before in these forums and I have a feeling he is legitimately believing this shit.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Of course, how could I forget.

brb, going to go "check my privilege."

She posted that her mom did in fact take her to therapists: Christian therapists, who shamed her for being transgender and told her to find God and be cured.

I mean I'd consider that evidence of parental abuse, given that they made the conscious choice to take her to people who would force her to reject any notion of body dysmorphia and accept their viewpoint that her feelings on gender were sinful and immoral. That's not healthy psychologically and it's far from scientific.

So this whole "LOL TUMBLRFAGGOT SJW CIRCLEJERK INCOMING" shit needs to stop, because that's not what's happening here. Trust me, I've seen actual SJW circlejerks and they are nothing like this.

Sometimes I wonder if some parents actually don't have some sort of pathological psychological condition that prevents them from seeing how their religion impacts their child when forced to comply to it.

[Evil Twin of Val Halla]

SHE was a woman. This is not just like being born with a specific hair colour. The fact that you even suggested that is despicable.

This is Burleson. Do you EXPECT any less from his "Conservative" (coughbullshitcough) leanings?

Unfortunately, I don't. But here is my two cents on this matter.


It is a parents responsibility to love and accept your child. They did not accept her for who she was. And no matter how much they deny not caring by giving her a car, and money and stuff, they still failed to recognize her as a woman, which is one of, if not the, biggest thing she needed. This is where her parents failed, and no doubt her community too. If I had the ability, I would outlaw the failure to accept somebody's gender.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Do you not understand that sex =/= gender?

That opinion has nothing to do with what I said. The idea that people are born a certain sex is agreed upon by anyone that has taken a middle school health class and stayed awake the whole time.

Middle school health class, lol.

I don't know what's sadder: the fact you're using basic health to make a point or the fact it seems you know nothing more than basic anatomy and physiology and you're a medical hazard.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

This is Burleson. Do you EXPECT any less from his "Conservative" (coughbullshitcough) leanings?

Unfortunately, I don't. But here is my two cents on this matter.


It is a parents responsibility to love and accept your child. They did not accept her for who she was. And no matter how much they deny not caring by giving her a car, and money and stuff, they still failed to recognize her as a woman, which is one of, if not the, biggest thing she needed. This is where her parents failed, and no doubt her community too. If I had the ability, I would outlaw the failure to accept somebody's gender.

Well sometimes you have to cut a child off if they have betrayed you, so there are exceptions to the rule.

However, in this particular case, I do agree with you that failing to accept her for who she was is the greatest failure here.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

"Born male" "born Joshua" This actually furthers the sentiment of legitimacy to her parents and people who share their vision

She wasn't born anything. People imposed their notions on her.

No, as science and common sense will tell you, people are born with specific sex organs.

Science.

Common sense.

I'm not sure if at this point those two words have become buzzwords for the anti-LGBT crowd and specially people who deny transgenders their identity.

Science has already come up with an explanation for transgenderism, and common sense isn't that common.