Toddler Shoots and Kills Mother

[Glamour]

But I don't have to own a gun or go around shooting whoever I think is evil. Otherwise a lot of people would be shooting each other for different reasons. We have the law and law enforcement to do that.

The military is a different story. Why is it okay for some soldier from your country to shoot dead a stranger from another country, but if your soldier gets shot, it's terrible? Is it because your country is right? Why? Because it's your country? People who don't even understand the politics of why they are at war are killing each other. All of them are ignorant and wrong. If I had a child that killed someone who they didn't know anything about, I'd be ashamed of them, whether they were a soldier or a serial killer.

Nor do the vast majority of gun owners.

If you don't own a gun for the reason of shooting evil people, why the hell would you own one?

[Big Jim P]

Nor do the vast majority of gun owners.

If you don't own a gun for the reason of shooting evil people, why the hell would you own one?

To defend yourself, your family, your property and your community. For various forms of recreation.

[Glamour]

But I don't have to own a gun or go around shooting whoever I think is evil. Otherwise a lot of people would be shooting each other for different reasons. We have the law and law enforcement to do that.

The military is a different story. Why is it okay for some soldier from your country to shoot dead a stranger from another country, but if your soldier gets shot, it's terrible? Is it because your country is right? Why? Because it's your country? People who don't even understand the politics of why they are at war are killing each other. All of them are ignorant and wrong. If I had a child that killed someone who they didn't know anything about, I'd be ashamed of them, whether they were a soldier or a serial killer.

It's acceptable for soldiers to kill because they are law enforcement.

Lol. You can't enforce YOUR law outside of YOUR country.

[Big Jim P]

It's acceptable for soldiers to kill because they are law enforcement.

Lol. You can't enforce YOUR law outside of YOUR country.

And, in the case of America, the military are forbidden to.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Nor do the vast majority of gun owners.

If you don't own a gun for the reason of shooting evil people, why the hell would you own one?

Self-defense.

I for instance have a gun in my possession as a self-defense thing from my dad. But I never take it out of the house. It's there in case someone might try to break in.

[-Shie-]

It's acceptable for soldiers to kill because they are law enforcement.

maybe some places, but not in America.

Soldiers should be law enforcement in America if they are already not in combination with police.

[Glamour]

If you don't own a gun for the reason of shooting evil people, why the hell would you own one?

To defend yourself, your family, your property and your community. For various forms of recreation.

Yes... To defend yourself by shooting evil people. And recreation is presumably training for this... It's not like a gun can be used for anything other than shooting. But even if you say hunting or a hobby, they're not more important than stopping toddlers from shooting their mothers.

Also, in a Walmart, even if nobody had a gun, people would not allow a woman with 4 children to be strangled to death. Stabbed, maybe, but then she would die anyway whether anyone shot the assailant or not. Assuming it was a fatal wound. But we're talking about the reality which is that her toddler shot her, and that is more horrific.

[Big Jim P]

maybe some places, but not in America.

Soldiers should be law enforcement in America if they are already not in combination with police.

No, too much of a risk of us becoming a military dictatorship.

[-Shie-]

It's acceptable for soldiers to kill because they are law enforcement.

Lol. You can't enforce YOUR law outside of YOUR country.

You can enforce your law inside of your sphere of influence, if parts of that location happen to be outside of the country then it is called war.

[Glamour]

Lol. You can't enforce YOUR law outside of YOUR country.

You can enforce your law inside of your sphere of influence, if parts of that location happen to be outside of the country then it is called war.

Exactly. So if there was no military in the world, there would be no war.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

To defend yourself, your family, your property and your community. For various forms of recreation.

Yes... To defend yourself by shooting evil people. And recreation is presumably training for this... It's not like a gun can be used for anything other than shooting. But even if you say hunting or a hobby, they're not more important than stopping toddlers from shooting their mothers.

Also, in a Walmart, even if nobody had a gun, people would not allow a woman with 4 children to be strangled to death. Stabbed, maybe, but then she would die anyway whether anyone shot the assailant or not. Assuming it was a fatal wound. But we're talking about the reality which is that her toddler shot her, and that is more horrific.

Why are we assuming now that a toddler has true hate for their mother and commits matricide?! Further since when have toddlers thought much about what they are doing?

The whole thing was an accident. The problem here isn't the toddler. The problem here is that a mother left the gun without the safety lock on and the kid accidentally pulled the trigger.

[Big Jim P]

To defend yourself, your family, your property and your community. For various forms of recreation.

Yes... To defend yourself by shooting evil people. And recreation is presumably training for this... It's not like a gun can be used for anything other than shooting. But even if you say hunting or a hobby, they're not more important than stopping toddlers from shooting their mothers.

Also, in a Walmart, even if nobody had a gun, people would not allow a woman with 4 children to be strangled to death. Stabbed, maybe, but then she would die anyway whether anyone shot the assailant or not. Assuming it was a fatal wound. But we're talking about the reality which is that her toddler shot her, and that is more horrific.

Well, someone attacking you is by definition, evil, and some recreational uses for guns are training for it, so you are partially correct. I gather from the tone of your posts that you make the erroneous assumption that all shooting/killing to be wrong/bad/evil.

[Dyakovo]

You can enforce your law inside of your sphere of influence, if parts of that location happen to be outside of the country then it is called war.

Exactly. So if there was no military in the world, there would be no war.

No.


Edit: Also, the military is not the topic of the thread.

[Big Jim P]

Yes... To defend yourself by shooting evil people. And recreation is presumably training for this... It's not like a gun can be used for anything other than shooting. But even if you say hunting or a hobby, they're not more important than stopping toddlers from shooting their mothers.

Also, in a Walmart, even if nobody had a gun, people would not allow a woman with 4 children to be strangled to death. Stabbed, maybe, but then she would die anyway whether anyone shot the assailant or not. Assuming it was a fatal wound. But we're talking about the reality which is that her toddler shot her, and that is more horrific.

Why are we assuming now that a toddler has true hate for their mother and commits matricide?! Further since when have toddlers thought much about what they are doing?

The whole thing was an accident. The problem here isn't the toddler. The problem here is that a mother left the gun without the safety lock on and the kid accidentally pulled the trigger.

As I have posted before, the woman violated at least two, and possibly three (depending on the report you read) basic safety rules.

[Glamour]

Yes... To defend yourself by shooting evil people. And recreation is presumably training for this... It's not like a gun can be used for anything other than shooting. But even if you say hunting or a hobby, they're not more important than stopping toddlers from shooting their mothers.

Also, in a Walmart, even if nobody had a gun, people would not allow a woman with 4 children to be strangled to death. Stabbed, maybe, but then she would die anyway whether anyone shot the assailant or not. Assuming it was a fatal wound. But we're talking about the reality which is that her toddler shot her, and that is more horrific.

Why are we assuming now that a toddler has true hate for their mother and commits matricide?! Further since when have toddlers thought much about what they are doing?

The whole thing was an accident. The problem here isn't the toddler. The problem here is that a mother left the gun without the safety lock on and the kid accidentally pulled the trigger.

Where did I blame the toddler? I said "stop toddlers from shooting their mothers", ie don't allow people to carry guns in their handbags or anything similar.

It was an accident, but if anyone is to blame it's the mother. She didn't have it holstered, she neglected to put the safety on, she presumably let her child feel around in her handbag, she bought the gun in the first place.

[Glamour]

Exactly. So if there was no military in the world, there would be no war.

No.


Edit: Also, the military is not the topic of the thread.

Well, yes. A facepalm isn't an argument.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Why are we assuming now that a toddler has true hate for their mother and commits matricide?! Further since when have toddlers thought much about what they are doing?

The whole thing was an accident. The problem here isn't the toddler. The problem here is that a mother left the gun without the safety lock on and the kid accidentally pulled the trigger.

Where did I blame the toddler? I said "stop toddlers from shooting their mothers", ie don't allow people to carry guns in their handbags or anything similar.

It was an accident, but if anyone is to blame it's the mother. She didn't have it holstered, she neglected to put the safety on, she presumably let her child feel around in her handbag, she bought the gun in the first place.

Actually...

I am not saying the mother's not at fault. She was. Also, the gun's a gun, although I'll give you this: she should have had the safety on and shouldn't probably have had the gun where she had it in the first place.

[Glamour]

Exactly. So if there was no military in the world, there would be no war.

No.


Edit: Also, the military is not the topic of the thread.

Well, yes. A facepalm isn't an argument.

[Glamour]

Where did I blame the toddler? I said "stop toddlers from shooting their mothers", ie don't allow people to carry guns in their handbags or anything similar.

It was an accident, but if anyone is to blame it's the mother. She didn't have it holstered, she neglected to put the safety on, she presumably let her child feel around in her handbag, she bought the gun in the first place.

Actually...

I am not saying the mother's not at fault. She was. Also, the gun's a gun, although I'll give you this: she should have had the safety on and shouldn't probably have had the gun where she had it in the first place.

That makes semi-decent fashion look really ugly.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Actually...

I am not saying the mother's not at fault. She was. Also, the gun's a gun, although I'll give you this: she should have had the safety on and shouldn't probably have had the gun where she had it in the first place.

That makes semi-decent fashion look really ugly.

Tell me about it.

[Big Jim P]

Where did I blame the toddler? I said "stop toddlers from shooting their mothers", ie don't allow people to carry guns in their handbags or anything similar.

It was an accident, but if anyone is to blame it's the mother. She didn't have it holstered, she neglected to put the safety on, she presumably let her child feel around in her handbag, she bought the gun in the first place.

Actually...

I am not saying the mother's not at fault. She was. Also, the gun's a gun, although I'll give you this: she should have had the safety on and shouldn't probably have had the gun where she had it in the first place.

Until we know (if we ever do) what kind of gun it was, we won't know if there was a safety to put on.

[Twilight Imperium]

You can enforce your law inside of your sphere of influence, if parts of that location happen to be outside of the country then it is called war.

Exactly. So if there was no military in the world, there would be no war.

Son, are you on the dope?

People would still fight, they'd just send random people in to pillage/skirmish/raid/take over shit instead. Having a professional military to send instead keeps Joe Citizen from having to go and do it. One of the better ideas society has had, I'd say.

[Glamour]

Exactly. So if there was no military in the world, there would be no war.

Son, are you on the dope?

People would still fight, they'd just send random people in to pillage/skirmish/raid/take over shit instead. Having a professional military to send instead keeps Joe Citizen from having to go and do it. One of the better ideas society has had, I'd say.

If that happened, they would be a military - a shit one.

Nobody should go to another country to fight anyone else. If nobody did, there would be no war. It's an individual's own decision whether or not to do that. I'd rather go to prison.

[Calivada]

IIRC, most accidental discharges of firearms are caused when the trigger is caught, not pulled, unintentionally.

Do you know what kind of finger pressures a toddler can generate?
I'm going to guess it's more than you believe.

Yes, but for the gun to be fired, he must have deactivated the lock, or whatever you call it.Unless the lock *already* deactivated and then it's even more the mother's fault.

[Twilight Imperium]

If that happened, they would be a military - a shit one.

Nobody should go to another country to fight anyone else. If nobody did, there would be no war. It's an individual's own decision whether or not to do that. I'd rather go to prison.

So if nobody formed militaries, there'd be no war. Great suggestion, good work.

_{^{if thunderclouds never formed, there'd be no lighting! christ, definitely on the dope godDAMN}}