Toddler Shoots and Kills Mother

[Sociobiology]

Blaming the victim for having something insufficient (clothes/gun safety) and saying she got what was coming sounds awfully a lot alike. Doesn't matter what your beliefs are, it sounds a lot like what people who hold beliefs about women wearing clothing say.

if I reach ino a snake den and pull out a handful of snakes and get bit the fault is mine not the snakes.

If I sand in a bathtub full of water while fixing an electrical outlet and get electrocuted, the fault is mine. not the tub or the outlets.

If I tie my dog to a loaded gun and it trips over the trigger and shoots me, the fault was mine not the dogs or the gun.

[Sociobiology]

Traffic tickets then, because I know I've gone to court for those.

EDIT: Misdemeanor, civil penalty, or summary offence depending on the jurisdiction; two of those are considered criminal offenses.

Traffic tickets also are not criminal offenses (with some rare exceptions).

yes they are, they fall under infractions which are criminal offenses, the only other option is civil offenses.

[Keyboard Warriors]

This is one of those rare contexts where it's better to address what was implied rather than what was said. I'm 100% sure that the Wolven League did not wish to prevent those with previous traffic infractions from owning firearms.

[-Shie-]

That's what happens when you leave a loaded gun unattended, she isn't our problem anymore. As long as guns are misused and in civilian hands, more people will hurt themselves.

[Glamour]

If you own a gun, it means you're open to the idea of shooting someone.

If you're open to the idea of shooting someone and you get shot, well, you know how it feels.

If you join the military and are killed by a stranger, too bad, you signed up to kill strangers. You just weren't good enough at your job.

The same way this woman wasn't really interested in guns enough to understand how to make them safe. She just wanted to feel edgy, or like she was in an action movie. I hope in her last moment she did feel like that if that's what she wanted.

The poor child will be ruined for life.

[-Shie-]

If you own a gun, it means you're open to the idea of shooting someone.

If you're open to the idea of shooting someone and you get shot, well, you know how it feels.

If you join the military and are killed by a stranger, too bad, you signed up to kill strangers.

You're implying that gun owners should be shot for owning guns. That makes you sadistic. The military and volunteer gun ownership aren't comparable. There has to be a military to rectify wrong authority. Idiots still don't need to own guns.

[Glamour]

If you own a gun, it means you're open to the idea of shooting someone.

If you're open to the idea of shooting someone and you get shot, well, you know how it feels.

If you join the military and are killed by a stranger, too bad, you signed up to kill strangers.

You're implying that gun owners should be shot for owning guns. That makes you sadistic. The military and volunteer gun ownership aren't comparable. There has to be a military to rectify wrong authority. Idiots still don't need to own guns.

I'm not implying anyone should be shot, which is why I don't believe in gun ownership. If this woman hadn't owned a gun, would she have been shot dead? No. Probably not. I'm saying that if it seriously crossed your mind that you might get shot at, to the point where you bought a gun, and then you do get shot at, why are you surprised?

If there was no military in the world there would be no war. This is why I don't consider the military heroes. Brave, yes, but not heroes.

[-Shie-]

You're implying that gun owners should be shot for owning guns. That makes you sadistic. The military and volunteer gun ownership aren't comparable. There has to be a military to rectify wrong authority. Idiots still don't need to own guns.

I'm not implying anyone should be shot, which is why I don't believe in gun ownership. If this woman hadn't owned a gun, would she have been shot dead? No. Probably not. I'm saying that if it seriously crossed your mind that you might get shot at, to the point where you bought a gun, and then you do get shot at, why are you surprised?

If there was no military in the world there would be no war. This is why I don't consider the military heroes. Brave, yes, but not heroes.

Weak people think about causing their own deaths. This woman was not suicidal, her gun ownership can rationalize a fear of being shot. That does not mean that she suicidally expected to be shot by herself or her baby.

[Glamour]

I'm not implying anyone should be shot, which is why I don't believe in gun ownership. If this woman hadn't owned a gun, would she have been shot dead? No. Probably not. I'm saying that if it seriously crossed your mind that you might get shot at, to the point where you bought a gun, and then you do get shot at, why are you surprised?

If there was no military in the world there would be no war. This is why I don't consider the military heroes. Brave, yes, but not heroes.

Weak people think about causing their own deaths. This woman was not suicidal, her gun ownership can rationalize a fear of being shot. That does not mean that she suicidally expected to be shot by herself or her baby.

Hahahaha. Maybe if she had thought about causing her own death, she would have been more likely to have had the safety on and would thus not have caused her own death and by natural selection been considered stronger. As it stands, she was weak. Which is why she deserves a Darwin award.

[-Shie-]

Weak people think about causing their own deaths. This woman was not suicidal, her gun ownership can rationalize a fear of being shot. That does not mean that she suicidally expected to be shot by herself or her baby.

Hahahaha. Maybe if she had thought about causing her own death, she would have been more likely to have had the safety on and would thus not have caused her own death and by natural selection been considered stronger. As it stands, she was weak. Which is why she deserves a Darwin award.

She is not weak, it's why she shouldn't be dead. Her not being weak is why her random death shouldn't be celebrated.

[Glamour]

But she is dead and it's her own fault, and her toddler is scarred for life, and she warranted it getting all of this attention when she idiotically thought to herself "it could never happen to me".

Sorry, but it did. And come on, at least use a holster. Don't carry it in your handbag, you're not one of Charlie's Angels. Plus, how exactly are you supposed to use it to defend yourself? Do you know how difficult it is to find something inside a woman's handbag? Maybe she compensated by having the safety off. To be honest she could easily have shot herself or her child by the trigger being caught on something in there. I have no sympathy for her.

[-Shie-]

But she is dead and it's her own fault, and her toddler is scarred for life, and she warranted it getting all of this attention when she idiotically thought to herself "it could never happen to me".

Sorry, but it did. And come on, at least use a holster. Don't carry it in your handbag, you're not one of Charlie's Angels. Plus, how exactly are you supposed to use it to defend yourself? Do you know how difficult it is to find something inside a woman's handbag? Maybe she compensated by having the safety off. To be honest she could easily have shot herself or her child by the trigger being caught on something in there. I have no sympathy for her.

I don't have sympathy for her either but your reasons for not having sympathy for the idiot are the wrong reasons, just like the reasons for your military hate.

[Glamour]

Well if you think I'm sadistic so be it, at least I would never shoot anyone or encourage my children if I had them to shoot me accidentally or anyone deliberately in war.

[Krieg-Deathworld]

You're implying that gun owners should be shot for owning guns. That makes you sadistic. The military and volunteer gun ownership aren't comparable. There has to be a military to rectify wrong authority. Idiots still don't need to own guns.

I'm not implying anyone should be shot, which is why I don't believe in gun ownership. If this woman hadn't owned a gun, would she have been shot dead? No. Probably not. I'm saying that if it seriously crossed your mind that you might get shot at, to the point where you bought a gun, and then you do get shot at, why are you surprised?

If there was no military in the world there would be no war. This is why I don't consider the military heroes. Brave, yes, but not heroes.

That last point is really wrong. Really, really wrong. Scarily wrong

[Glamour]

I'm not implying anyone should be shot, which is why I don't believe in gun ownership. If this woman hadn't owned a gun, would she have been shot dead? No. Probably not. I'm saying that if it seriously crossed your mind that you might get shot at, to the point where you bought a gun, and then you do get shot at, why are you surprised?

If there was no military in the world there would be no war. This is why I don't consider the military heroes. Brave, yes, but not heroes.

That last point is really wrong. Really, really wrong. Scarily wrong

Why?

[-Shie-]

Well if you think I'm sadistic so be it, at least I would never shoot anyone or encourage my children if I had them to shoot me accidentally or anyone deliberately in war.

There are criminals that are supposed to be shot, they will hurt more people unless they are shot. There are non-sadistic reasons to bring pain, especially to the evil violent offenders that in my opinion, deserve the worst pain to know what they did to innocent people.
Not defending yourself with violence can be the most sadistic mistake to happen because you didn't eliminate the aggressing evil from society and continue to threaten more innocent people.

[Big Jim P]

Well if you think I'm sadistic so be it, at least I would never shoot anyone or encourage my children if I had them to shoot me accidentally or anyone deliberately in war.

I would never shoot someone deliberately unless I, My family, or my community (in that order of precedence) were attacked. Of course, I am not a pacifist.

[-Shie-]

Terrorism and violent offenders are filth.

[Big Jim P]

Terrorism and violent offenders are filth.

Anyone who preys on the innocent is.

[Glamour]

Well if you think I'm sadistic so be it, at least I would never shoot anyone or encourage my children if I had them to shoot me accidentally or anyone deliberately in war.

There are criminals that are supposed to be shot, they will hurt more people unless they are shot. There are non-sadistic reasons to bring pain, especially to the evil violent offenders that in my opinion, deserve the worst pain to know what they did to innocent people.
Not defending yourself with violence can be the most sadistic mistake to happen because you didn't eliminate the aggressing evil from society and continue to threaten more innocent people.

But I don't have to own a gun or go around shooting whoever I think is evil. Otherwise a lot of people would be shooting each other for different reasons. We have the law and law enforcement to do that.

The military is a different story. Why is it okay for some soldier from your country to shoot dead a stranger from another country, but if your soldier gets shot, it's terrible? Is it because your country is right? Why? Because it's your country? People who don't even understand the politics of why they are at war are killing each other. All of them are ignorant and wrong. If I had a child that killed someone who they didn't know anything about, I'd be ashamed of them, whether they were a soldier or a serial killer.

[Big Jim P]

There are criminals that are supposed to be shot, they will hurt more people unless they are shot. There are non-sadistic reasons to bring pain, especially to the evil violent offenders that in my opinion, deserve the worst pain to know what they did to innocent people.
Not defending yourself with violence can be the most sadistic mistake to happen because you didn't eliminate the aggressing evil from society and continue to threaten more innocent people.

But I don't have to own a gun or go around shooting whoever I think is evil. Otherwise a lot of people would be shooting each other for different reasons. We have the law and law enforcement to do that.

The military is a different story. Why is it okay for some soldier from your country to shoot dead a stranger from another country, but if your soldier gets shot, it's terrible? Is it because your country is right? Why? Because it's your country? People who don't even understand the politics of why they are at war are killing each other. All of them are ignorant and wrong. If I had a child that killed someone who they didn't know anything about, I'd be ashamed of them, whether they were a soldier or a serial killer.

Nor do the vast majority of gun owners.

[Riltonia]

That last point is really wrong. Really, really wrong. Scarily wrong

Why?

Because, while I wish it not true, Humans are inherently violent. Organized Militaries didn't change this, nor did Civilization. Man has been fighting and killing, not only animals but themselves as well, since the beginning of human life.

Life as a Human in and of itself is built upon conflicts, whether that be physical (violent or otherwise) or mental.

As to your point, if she had no gun and no one else did, she maybe would have instead been strangled in front of her child, stabbed in front of her child etc. etc. etc.

[Big Jim P]

Why?

Because, while I wish it not true, Humans are inherently violent. Organized Militaries didn't change this, nor did Civilization. Man has been fighting and killing, not only animals but themselves as well, since the beginning of human life.

Life as a Human in and of itself is built upon conflicts, whether that be physical (violent or otherwise) or mental.

As to your point, if she had no gun and no one else did, she maybe would have instead been strangled in front of her child, stabbed in front of her child etc. etc. etc.

Ja. Guns are a legitimate defense against any deadly attack, whether the attacker is armed (with a gun or anything else) or unarmed.

[-Shie-]

There are criminals that are supposed to be shot, they will hurt more people unless they are shot. There are non-sadistic reasons to bring pain, especially to the evil violent offenders that in my opinion, deserve the worst pain to know what they did to innocent people.
Not defending yourself with violence can be the most sadistic mistake to happen because you didn't eliminate the aggressing evil from society and continue to threaten more innocent people.

But I don't have to own a gun or go around shooting whoever I think is evil. Otherwise a lot of people would be shooting each other for different reasons. We have the law and law enforcement to do that.

The military is a different story. Why is it okay for some soldier from your country to shoot dead a stranger from another country, but if your soldier gets shot, it's terrible? Is it because your country is right? Why? Because it's your country? People who don't even understand the politics of why they are at war are killing each other. All of them are ignorant and wrong. If I had a child that killed someone who they didn't know anything about, I'd be ashamed of them, whether they were a soldier or a serial killer.

It's acceptable for soldiers to kill because they are law enforcement.

[Big Jim P]

But I don't have to own a gun or go around shooting whoever I think is evil. Otherwise a lot of people would be shooting each other for different reasons. We have the law and law enforcement to do that.

The military is a different story. Why is it okay for some soldier from your country to shoot dead a stranger from another country, but if your soldier gets shot, it's terrible? Is it because your country is right? Why? Because it's your country? People who don't even understand the politics of why they are at war are killing each other. All of them are ignorant and wrong. If I had a child that killed someone who they didn't know anything about, I'd be ashamed of them, whether they were a soldier or a serial killer.

It's acceptable for soldiers to kill because they are law enforcement.

maybe some places, but not in America.