Toddler Shoots and Kills Mother

[The Rising Sun Katana]

I'd prefer to see restrictions on firearms in houses with children, but we've also got to educate people about the dangers of these weapons. This woman clearly wasn't carrying the gun in a safe spot. Can we make sure that people know how to properly and safely carry and store firearms?

Probably not. Any attempt to deny access to firearms to those who can't or won't keep and use them safely would likely be seen as a prelude to shipping people off to FEMA death camps and establishing the Islamic Caliphate of Obamastan.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. For any reason. Ever.

[Fascist Republic Of Bermuda]

I feel this incident teaches people a valuable lesson:

KEEP FIREARMS OUT OF THE REACH OF CHILDREN.

[The Rising Sun Katana]

I interpret that to include rocket launchers and tanks.

[Dyakovo]

Just ignore him.

He has not given me a reason to ignore him.

He will. He ignores any piece of evidence that contradicts the position he has chosen to argue.

[Dyakovo]

I've discussed it. It's an annoying topic, and I've found the approaches taken by some of the more ardent firearms aficionados to be intellectually dishonest, utterly fallacious, and eye-rollingly idiotic. I have no interest in further discussion when the other side acts as if any attempt to restrict or otherwise modify our current approach to gun ownership is treated as a proposal to amputate their genitals.

We had no real problem with gun ownership until people started modifying the approach to gun ownership in the first place.

Absolute bullshit.

[WestRedMaple]

He has not given me a reason to ignore him.

He will. He ignores any piece of evidence that contradicts the position he has chosen to argue.

Bit hypocritical coming from the person going around lying about others rather than discussing the topic.

Negligent woman allowed a toddler to access a loaded firearm leading to her death, remember that part?

[Dyakovo]

How so?

Because nobody would support that. A fucking parking ticket would make it illegal. You'd have armed rebellion on your hands.

Parking tickets are not criminal offenses.

[Gun Manufacturers]

That toddler was obviously deranged.

We need better background checks to prevent such a tragedy again.

If only a good toddler with a gun had been nearby.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

If only a good toddler with a gun had been nearby.

HOLY SHIT, THE HORSE WAS SHOT, TOO?

[Dyakovo]

HOLY SHIT, THE HORSE WAS SHOT, TOO?

If only it had had a gun of its own...

[New Tsavon]

If only a good toddler with a gun had been nearby.

For what it's worth, I was making a joke at the expense of the anti-gunners.

[Dyakovo]

For what it's worth, I was making a joke at the expense of the anti-gunners.

You weren't doing a very good job of it.

[Occupied Deutschland]

HOLY SHIT, THE HORSE WAS SHOT, TOO?

If only it had had a gun of its own...

The horse was beaten to death, beaten some more as it lay decaying on the ground, and has now been raised from the dead as a zombie-horse in order to be beaten to death again.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

If only it had had a gun of its own...

The horse was beaten to death, beaten some more as it lay decaying on the ground, and has now been raised from the dead as a zombie-horse in order to be beaten to death again.

Someone should shoot it and put it out of its misery.

[New Tsavon]

The horse was beaten to death, beaten some more as it lay decaying on the ground, and has now been raised from the dead as a zombie-horse in order to be beaten to death again.

I could've sworn I saw the horse twitch just a moment ago, it clearly isn't quite beaten enough.

You weren't doing a very good job of it.

And I care about the opinion of a statist, why?

[Occupied Deutschland]

The horse was beaten to death, beaten some more as it lay decaying on the ground, and has now been raised from the dead as a zombie-horse in order to be beaten to death again.

Someone should shoot it and put it out of its misery.

Nah, it clearly needs a firearm to defend itself from all the rampant horse-abuse going on all across NSG.
Poor horsey.

[New Tsavon]

Someone should shoot it and put it out of its misery.

Nah, it clearly needs a firearm to defend itself from all the rampant horse-abuse going on all across NSG.
Poor horsey.

Think of the chilluns horses!

[United Marxist Nations]

Because nobody would support that. A fucking parking ticket would make it illegal. You'd have armed rebellion on your hands.

Parking tickets are not criminal offenses.

Traffic tickets then, because I know I've gone to court for those.

EDIT: Misdemeanor, civil penalty, or summary offence depending on the jurisdiction and offense; two of those are considered criminal offenses.

[Vorbia]

that going to mess up the psyche of those kids who shot their family members

[Dyakovo]

Parking tickets are not criminal offenses.

Traffic tickets then, because I know I've gone to court for those.

EDIT: Misdemeanor, civil penalty, or summary offence depending on the jurisdiction; two of those are considered criminal offenses.

Traffic tickets also are not criminal offenses (with some rare exceptions).

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You weren't doing a very good job of it.

And I care about the opinion of a statist, why?

Well, you should since it shows the person has a realistic rather than idealistic world view.

[Big Jim P]

That is and always has been the true purpose of gun-control: to keep the poor and black unarmed.

That's a moronic (and, I assume, intentional) mischaracterization of the "true purpose" of gun control. It's like me saying that the true purpose of gun rights advocacy is to ensure that murderers have ready access to heavy firepower. The purpose of gun control is to cut down on gun violence with a eventual goal of eliminating it entirely. Whether or not this is practical or workable is open to fair and honest debate, but you're not going to get a debate that is either fair or honest when you spew bullshit like that.

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/cramer-racist-roots.htm

[Dyakovo]

That's a moronic (and, I assume, intentional) mischaracterization of the "true purpose" of gun control. It's like me saying that the true purpose of gun rights advocacy is to ensure that murderers have ready access to heavy firepower. The purpose of gun control is to cut down on gun violence with a eventual goal of eliminating it entirely. Whether or not this is practical or workable is open to fair and honest debate, but you're not going to get a debate that is either fair or honest when you spew bullshit like that.

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/cramer-racist-roots.htm

Wow... How about that... The racist fucktards in the south have a history of being racist fucktards... Who would have ever guessed?
I'm totally sold on "keeping the poor and black unarmed" being the real reason for all gun control laws.

[United Marxist Nations]

Traffic tickets then, because I know I've gone to court for those.

EDIT: Misdemeanor, civil penalty, or summary offence depending on the jurisdiction; two of those are considered criminal offenses.

Traffic tickets also are not criminal offenses (with some rare exceptions).

According to the legal dictionary, as well as Law Firms I'm finding they are infractions, which are criminal offenses.

crime
n. a violation of a law in which there is injury to the public or a member of the public and a term in jail or prison, and/or a fine as possible penalties. There is some sentiment for excluding from the "crime" category crimes without victims, such as consensual acts, or violations in which only the perpetrator is hurt or involved such as personal use of illegal drugs.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictiona ... al+offence

injury (def 2)
n. any harm done to a person by the acts or omissions of another. Injury may include physical hurt as well as damage to reputation or dignity, loss of a legal right, or breach of contract. If the party causing the injury was either willful (intentionally causing harm) or negligent then he/she is responsible (liable) for payment of damages for the harm caused. Theoretically, potential or continuing injury may be prevented by an order of the court upon a petition for an injunction. (See: damages, negligence, injunction, injunctive relief)
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/injury

Infraction
Violation or infringement; breach of a statute, contract, or obligation.
The term infraction is frequently used in reference to the violation of a particular statute for which the penalty is minor, such as a parking infraction.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictiona ... infraction

Infractions are minor crimes, sometimes called petty crimes or summary offenses, punishable usually by a fine, rather than jail time. Typically, infractions are local crimes related to traffic, parking or noise violations.

Infractions are crimes so minor that they can be prosecuted without the requirement of a jury trial, although some states allow the right to a jury trial for even minor traffic offenses. The court does not have to determine if the offender was at fault or intended to break the law, only if the defendant actually committed the prohibited behavior, such as not wearing a seat belt.

Most infractions are adjudicated without the accused even going to court. A court appearance can be avoided in most states by paying the fine noted on the citation issued at the time of the offense.
http://crime.about.com/od/Crime_101/f/W ... 1-0-ab_msb

[Warpspace]

http://www.idaho.gov/laws_rules/firearm.html

Purchasing Firearms

There is no state permit required for the purchase of any rifle, shotgun, or handgun.

It is unlawful to directly or indirectly sell to any minor under the age of eighteen years any weapon without the written consent of the parent or guardian of the minor.

No state permit is required to possess a rifle, shotgun or handgun.

You need to pass a test to get a drivers licence. You should also need to pass a test to get a shooters licence.

Except it's a Constitutional Right, while the right to drive is one not preserved by the Constitution.

[Sociobiology]

purchases are up but not ownership, general ownership is down. people who already own guns are buying more guns, not more people are buying guns.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-gun-ownership-is-down-survey-shows.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Perhaps I should have said prevalence.

which would also be down.