Toddler Shoots and Kills Mother

[United Marxist Nations]

You do understand that is impossible, correct?

How so?

Because nobody would support that. A fucking parking ticket would make it illegal. You'd have armed rebellion on your hands.

[Imperializt Russia]

The world would be safer with only people with absolutely no criminal record owning them. They should be strictly sold.

Your evidence that this would be true in this instance being?

[Twilight Imperium]

From my sig: If you do not like private gun ownership in America, amend the constitution.

So much this. It sure would shut the more self-righteous of the debaters up, and maybe we could have an actual discussion without all the "but but are rights!" people clamoring on about it.

It would be a terrible idea overall, but I can't deny I'd enjoy the fallout for a while.

[Imperializt Russia]

From my sig: If you do not like private gun ownership in America, amend the constitution.

So much this. It sure would shut the more self-righteous of the debaters up, and maybe we could have an actual discussion without all the "but but are rights!" people clamoring on about it.

It would be a terrible idea overall, but I can't deny I'd enjoy the fallout for a while.

It's also broadly impossible. The majority of states hold the right to bear arms in their state constitution.

[Twilight Imperium]

So much this. It sure would shut the more self-righteous of the debaters up, and maybe we could have an actual discussion without all the "but but are rights!" people clamoring on about it.

It would be a terrible idea overall, but I can't deny I'd enjoy the fallout for a while.

It's also broadly impossible. The majority of states hold the right to bear arms in their state constitution.

I know. *sigh* I know. It's a nice fantasy to counteract the reality of "oh, guns aren't weapons! how dare you suggest that!"

[Gauthier]

Which means the toddler was given access to that handgun.

That is negligent and dangerous. I would highly recommend not doing that

It was a pouch specifically designed to safely hold guns. I'd say that it was a design flaw rather than negligence.

She shouldn't have dressed up the gun in such a short skirt. *nod nod*

[Imperializt Russia]

We don't (read, shouldn't, sadly) blame rape victims because they have been assaulted through no fault of their own.

Being killed by a mechanical object you have carelessly left in its primed state within reach of an infant means that blame can no longer be laid upon a violent assailant, but a person's own negligence.
You could at least agree that the two scenarios aren't equivalent.

[Calivada]

It's apples and oranges, if you ask me.

Since both are constitutional rights, not enormously.

There's still a difference between owning a gun and voting, and putting a tax on one can't be compared on putting a tax on the other.

Which is the more important ? Voting or having a gun ?

[Gauthier]

We don't (read, shouldn't, sadly) blame rape victims because they have been assaulted through no fault of their own.

Being killed by a mechanical object you have carelessly left in its primed state within reach of an infant means that blame can no longer be laid upon a violent assailant, but a person's own negligence.
You could at least agree that the two scenarios aren't equivalent.

Blaming the victim for having something insufficient (clothes/gun safety) and saying she got what was coming sounds awfully a lot alike. Doesn't matter what your beliefs are, it sounds a lot like what people who hold beliefs about women wearing clothing say.

[Imperializt Russia]

Blaming the victim for having something insufficient (clothes/gun safety) and saying she got what was coming sounds awfully a lot alike. Doesn't matter what your beliefs are, it sounds a lot like what people who hold beliefs about women wearing clothing say.

The conclusion of your reasoning being, victim status makes one infallible. This obviously cannot be correct.

[Gauthier]

Blaming the victim for having something insufficient (clothes/gun safety) and saying she got what was coming sounds awfully a lot alike. Doesn't matter what your beliefs are, it sounds a lot like what people who hold beliefs about women wearing clothing say.

The conclusion of your reasoning being, victim status makes one infallible. This obviously cannot be correct.

Let's ignore that a handgun with such a hairy trigger that a 2-year old could pull it was involved and blame her entirely for not installing a gunlock on it.

[Imperializt Russia]

I don't believe it was said that the toddler actually pulled the trigger.
Who the fuck mentioned gunlocks either?

[Gauthier]

I don't believe it was said that the toddler actually pulled the trigger.
Who the fuck mentioned gunlocks either?

>Looks at title of thread
>Looks at article cited

So either the baby is a mutant that used telekinesis to pull the trigger, or that is one shitty gun that easily went off without real effort.

[Imperializt Russia]

IIRC, most accidental discharges of firearms are caused when the trigger is caught, not pulled, unintentionally.

Do you know what kind of finger pressures a toddler can generate?
I'm going to guess it's more than you believe.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Since both are constitutional rights, not enormously.

There's still a difference between owning a gun and voting, and putting a tax on one can't be compared on putting a tax on the other.

Which is the more important ? Voting or having a gun ?

Sure it can.
Particularly in the results. In both cases the poor (who, in the case of firearms, tend to be those most victimized by crime who may have cause for legitimate self-defense with firearms) are artificially presented challenges towards practicing a constitutional right, many of whom are minorities.

The underlying justification for both such schemes is that the poor/minorities are not as responsible as others (tending to be the majority/white population) who are capable of paying the tax. This is reflected in the polls in terms of not being as responsible at casting votes and in terms of owning a firearm with not being trusted with one. Which is an ironic position for many to take on the latter with respect to that they take on the former.

[WestRedMaple]

Since both are constitutional rights, not enormously.

There's still a difference between owning a gun and voting, and putting a tax on one can't be compared on putting a tax on the other.

Which is the more important ? Voting or having a gun ?

Placing a tax on one can certainly be compared to doing the same to the other.....ESPECIALLY when they are placed for the same purpose (which just so happens to be what we are talking about)

[WestRedMaple]

Blaming the victim for having something insufficient (clothes/gun safety) and saying she got what was coming sounds awfully a lot alike. Doesn't matter what your beliefs are, it sounds a lot like what people who hold beliefs about women wearing clothing say.

It doesn't matter what your beliefs are, if you negligently leave something dangerous out for a toddler, then you are the guilty party.

Certainly she IS a victim, but of her own negligence.

The rape victim thing is entirely different, as getting raped is not a natural result of wearing particular clothing. Rape is the result of someone else making a decision to rape you

[Tekania]

As this woman was shopping at Walmart, this is clearly a case of justifiable homicide.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

NSG sees the scariness of guns. I see valuable lessons about gun safety. *nods*

[Geilinor]

It's apples and oranges, if you ask me.

Since both are constitutional rights, not enormously.

Voting rights are restricted, however. Convicted felons are disenfranchised in many states.

[WestRedMaple]

Since both are constitutional rights, not enormously.

Voting rights are restricted, however. Convicted felons are disenfranchised in many states.

Which only furthers the similarity

[United Marxist Nations]

Since both are constitutional rights, not enormously.

Voting rights are restricted, however. Convicted felons are disenfranchised in many states.

It is the same with regard to firearms; convicted felons cannot legally own firearms.

[New Tsavon]

NSG sees the scariness of guns. I see valuable lessons about gun safety. *nods*

That toddler was obviously deranged.

We need better background checks to prevent such a tragedy again.

[Gun Manufacturers]

So much this. It sure would shut the more self-righteous of the debaters up, and maybe we could have an actual discussion without all the "but but are rights!" people clamoring on about it.

It would be a terrible idea overall, but I can't deny I'd enjoy the fallout for a while.

It's also broadly impossible. The majority of states hold the right to bear arms in their state constitution.

44 states, to be exact.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

NSG sees the scariness of guns. I see valuable lessons about gun safety. *nods*

That toddler was obviously deranged.

We need better background checks to prevent such a tragedy again.

If only a good toddler with a gun had been nearby.